She moved up when Everett was kicked off the team.i guess you have to play someone.
Women's season over
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I am not sure why these games are on the syndicated network rather than on the ACCN. It makes no sense.
She's the third best point guard right now. She can't shoot, so she can't play the two. She is far too small to play the three.
I mean they are playing someone, it's not like they were playing 4 on 5 out there.
Hayford, 62.8% ones, 34.0% twos, 31.3% threes, 53 assists, 65 turnovers
Clesca, 90.5% ones, 41.4% twos, 22.2% threes, 46 assists, 38 turnovers
Is it really hard to understand why Clesca was getting more time and Hayford less at the end of the season?
Clesca, 90.5% ones, 41.4% twos, 22.2% threes, 46 assists, 38 turnovers
Is it really hard to understand why Clesca was getting more time and Hayford less at the end of the season?
Given those limitations, why is she on scholarship? What I know about Pitt women’s basketball is what I read on here, and if what has been said about her is accurate, why did the coaches recruit her? Seems like a failure on their part.
They recruited her (this is just my opinion obviously, no inside information) because they saw someone who is a really good athlete that they hoped they could turn into a really good basketball player. She's not the only player like that on the roster. To the point that I think that this coach prefers to recruit athletes who play basketball rather than just basketball players who aren't as athletic.
And hey, you can make that work if you do a good enough job of turning those athletes into players. But so far it has not really worked out for the Pitt women. To say the least.
But I think that to be fair it should also be pointed out that Hayford has, in fact, gotten better. Her shooting percentage has gone from 27.6 to 29.8 to 33.6. Her three point percentage has gone from 19.8 to 10.5 (she only shot 19 of them) to 31.3. Her assist to turnovers went from 36/65 to 39/49 to 52/65. So I think she has improved.
But she's improved from really bad to barely passable. And in three years that's not good enough.
But she's improved from really bad to barely passable. And in three years that's not good enough.
Ok good question, but
you actually answered it
a few posts back when you
said she was White's 3rd
best pg. 3rd I would agree,
but he played her as a
starter for a good part
of the year. He even started
her and moved Harris to the
wing for awhile.
As you know, i've criticized
her for two years, and
actually posted this year
that I saw improvement.
So..... 3rd pg, I'd agree.
Also as a substitute 3rd
or 4th off guard. It'll be
intertesting next year with
her. Harris and Clesca
will proably be ahead of her
in the rotation. Maybe she
somehow improves her
shot in the off season. We'll
see.
If you look at my last post, I agree that she has improved this year. But she's a junior this year, and the level to which she has improved to so far just isn't good enough. If she had come in at the level she's at now and then made the same kind of improvement from there then I think she'd be at least a decent player. But she started off so poorly that she needed to improve by leaps and bounds to be a good player, and she has not done that yet.
Well, we agree on something. I'd fire White and hire the coach of CMU or W&J for 80K and divert all the cost savings to men's basketball.
That's been my problem with
these players. We've said
over and over that good
athletes aren't necessarily
good Bball players. As for
White, he did recruit these
athletes. I"ll cut him some
slack and guess that maybe
he couldn't get the Bball
players he wanted, so he
went with the best athlete
he could land.
Another good example is
Brown. This young woman
is not only a good athlete,
she IMO is a warrior. She's
playing forward because
she has no outside shot,
but is able to aggresssively
fight for rebounds and
score on the inside despite
her lack of height. She is
a real athlete IMO. She'd
be a hell of a lb'r or strong
safety if it were football.
She's one of those players that if she was just a little bigger she could really dominate a basketball game. But she's stuck with the game of a four in the body of a two. But she gives you all she's got every night out there.
This is actually funny, Well
maybe more sad than funny.
When your Assist/TO ratio
is reflected in those 3 yr
numbers it's a BIG problem.
She started as a TO machine
and still ended up three yrs
later with a negative ratio.
Especially as a point guard. I'm not sure it's even theoretically possible to be a good point guard with a negative assist to turnover ratio like that. I mean I guess if you had a great shooter who was a superior defender then maybe you could get away with it. Maybe. Maybe not.
Thanks. That is what I suspected, based on the comments that you and others have made here all year. After 4 years, it seems like this coach has not figured out that he cannot have a bunch of athletic players who are not very good at basketball. The record speaks for itself.
I wouldn't dare watch the ACC Women's Basketball Tournament but yea, if these games are NOT on ACCN, that's ridiculous. Is it because men's games are on ACCN?
One thing to remember is how absolutely awful the women’s team was when Coach White arrived. This had to make recruiting good BB players pretty tough. Coach said early on that he needed to make the team look like an ACC team.
We hadn’t had a center with any size since Mercedes Walker - unless you count
Bubbles…. Rita was a raw recruit but still gave Pitt a presence in the paint that we have not had.
And initially it looked like Day would be a star. I liked that Coach tried to go the foreign student route - with Hayford and Cynthia.
I might be crazy, but Pitt could be half-decent next season with a lineup of Rita, AB, Liatu, Harris (if see gets it together) and Clesca. Johnson should be better - and maybe Exanor…. Plus Malcolm, a shooter (fingers crossed) will be coming in…. I don’t know about Strother.
But would like to see a good offensive coach on the staff…
Go Pitt
We hadn’t had a center with any size since Mercedes Walker - unless you count
Bubbles…. Rita was a raw recruit but still gave Pitt a presence in the paint that we have not had.
And initially it looked like Day would be a star. I liked that Coach tried to go the foreign student route - with Hayford and Cynthia.
I might be crazy, but Pitt could be half-decent next season with a lineup of Rita, AB, Liatu, Harris (if see gets it together) and Clesca. Johnson should be better - and maybe Exanor…. Plus Malcolm, a shooter (fingers crossed) will be coming in…. I don’t know about Strother.
But would like to see a good offensive coach on the staff…
Go Pitt
I like your optimism and hope
you're right. However....
Yes, Rita gives us a presence
in the paint, but that's all
it is. She has many deficiencieis
in her game. She's slow, hasn't
even developed or been taught a
basic drop step ( Bball 101) or
any type of post/inside moves.
.When you watch her against
ACC centers the difference
is obvious.
Harris is one of the least
developed players I've
ever seen. She ended up
this year worse than her
freshman yr (2 yrs ago).
I expected maybe 2nd
team ACC for her by this
time. These are just a
few things. These young
woman are good team mates.
I don't see it as their fault,
but instead see it as a
coaching issue for not
developing them.
