Would you be happy with Dixon’s TCU results from Pitt?
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You had good company .
3/4 ncaa bids with a NIT the other year .
i got that some tired of Dixon - he frustrated me at times too-
But plenty of us warned the bottom could fall out easily if he left
I don't really think so. But in what universe is a league record of 38-57 considered so much as mediocre? His overall body of work at TCU is far from the 30th-60th range
I'm not saying Dixon should have been ran at Pitt, and I wasn't one of those that thought he should even be on the proverbial hot seat. But I understand the discontent and apathy in the last few years of the Dixon regime. Even his best team weren't really built for deep tourney runs. Mix that in with a downward trajectory, mediocre recruiting, a style of play that wasn't the most exciting, and Jamie's reluctance to embrace the conference change... How do you really expect fans to embrace that?
It's not that people (Pitt fans) didn't want to watch wins. It's just that they grew tired of watching a rudderless program in decline that was no longer exciting. And few believed the future would be any better.
Right or wrong, this attitude shouldn't be a surprise and it's most definitely NOT just unique to Pitt fans.
They were 16-16 the year there was no tourney. That team wasn't going anywhere.
Funny you brought up Vanderbilt. I think the Commodores actually beat Pitt close to 20 earlier this season.
So roughly the same margin Dixon's TCU team lost to Santa Clara earlier this year. Got it.
Santa Clara is 73 in KenPom or 123 spots better than Pitt. That wasn’t a bad loss… lol. His team returns everyone and they’re 15-4. He’s trending way up at a tough job.
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Any time you lose 19 points to a team ranked 73, it's a bad loss.
Trending way up? Their non-conference schedule was loaded with cupcakes. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up with 10 losses.
Enlighten me as to how a 19 point loss to Santa Clara is anything other than a bad loss.
And going to TCU like BballinsiderfromPitt said because Jamie hired his handler.
Dixon knew his roster at Pitt & he knew things were going to get much worse. That's why he left.
I mean he’s been a coach in the NCAA for 18 years. I wouldn’t call McNeilly a handler.
He couldn't have been pushed out unless he was willing to play along. Jamie had a contract through 2023. He could have stood firm and remained at Pitt or make them fork over $10 million to make him leave.
That record in the Covid year didn't look like it was gonna be a NCAA team anyway.
Exactly. If only some posters on here knew the real story behind how the administration and a donor were behind pushing Jamie out.
He could have forced their hand and made Pitt buy him out. Why didn't he do that?
He probably didn't see that as a viable career option because his last few years at Pitt had so diminished his star that TCU was one of the few jobs where he was actually still viewed as an attractive candidate. He knew he needed a landing spot and he was probably more than happy his Horned Frogs had an opening.
Unless there is some sort of scandal or inappropriate behavior, successful coaches who aren't in decline don't get pushed out.
No. He’s an NCAA coach of 18 years. He’s not some shady handler. I already said that
Even Willard made the NIT in the middle of his 5 year run.
During the first year of covid, out of boredom, I went back and looked at just about every taped Pitt bball game from the 80s on. I was shocked at how athletic some of those Willard teams were! I remember them having some pretty good individual players but man, they were loaded with talent. Too bad many of them were such head cases and Willard lacked the Evans ability to control them.
The trucks and bucks guy demanded a meeting with the new Chancellor to discuss getting rid of Dixon because our recruiting was suffering. The beginning of the end was that the Chancellor TOOK the meeting.
Then Gallagher (Both of Them) should find the money to get rid of Capel.
And there was a second meeting too. I wonder what the trucks and bucks guy thinks now. Probably doesn't care because he enjoyed his trip to the Peach bowl. Sure, Barnes killed Pitt Hoops. But the trucks and bucks guy was part of the equation.
The beginning of the end was the actual decline in the program starting in 2011-12 that led to a booster to approach the new Chancellor to discuss the state of the basketball program, including the lackluster recruiting.
If it were just a couple of off years, nothing would have happened. That was a fairly significant decline from 2011 until the time Dixon left in 2016
It's been horribly mismanaged in every way.
They did Jamie a favor. Pitt was going to tank further had he remained as HC. Eventually it would have gotten to the point where he wouldn't be able to get another job in a major conference.
They should have given him more money to attract good assistants and put $ into the basketball facilities. He would have brought us back to a solid ACC program. The ACC is down and he could out coach most of these guys.
Possibly. It's just Jamie was stuck in mediocrity for so long at Pitt, I don't think its realistic to think he would ever recapture the magic at Pitt. It's a nice thought though.
When a coach goes 7 years and doesn't make it out of the first weekend of the NCAA, they become expendable. I'm not arguing that it's right or wrong, but it's like that 7 or 8 win mark in football. If a coach stays in that area long enough, they are going to get ran at most places.
Lots of coaches get canned after seasons in which they led their teams to the NCAA Tourney. That isn't unique to Pitt. The incompetence that followed is what is most concerning.
Name and Shame… of course the incompetence in the aftermath was the worst … which is exactly why I was EXTREMELY doubtful about pushing Dixon out…when Barnes hired a firm I knew we were phucked. You just don’t make moves like that… the rest speaks for itself. It’s straight up suicidal
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