Would you be ok with Pitt bringing in the RMU guys?

[Sean Miller Fan]

What about this for a hypothetical lineup:

PG - need to find one
SG - Cummings
SF - Amarion Dickerson 13/6, Horizon DPOY
4/5 - GDG and Alvaro Folguieras (9.3 RPG, Horizon POY)

Bench
Kam Woods (14.6 PPG, 2nd team All Horizon)
Jorge
Witherspoon
Kante
Need another guard and another shooter

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Maybe Pitt should be brought to them in joining the Horizon league.

 

[jctrack]

Very intriguing. We need a dog or two on the glass who can get to the basket, for sure.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Maybe Pitt should be brought to them in joining the Horizon league.

I think winning translates, to a degree. I mean, no, RMU wouldn't go more than 4-16 in the ACC but they have built a winning team. Look at the D2 guys playing for Drake now. Look at the Charleston/JMU guys at Louisville. Nelly and Elliot at Pitt. Winning is hard. I'd take the 3 RMU guys and try to win with defense/rebounding and hope you can get that 1 good scorer. Inotherwords, the WVU model. They, actually, did well bringing a former Horizon League Player who only averaged 11 at UIC and is averaging 8 at WVU and playing good defense.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I think winning translates, to a degree. I mean, no, RMU wouldn't go more than 4-16 in the ACC but they have built a winning team. Look at the D2 guys playing for Drake now. Look at the Charleston/JMU guys at Louisville. Nelly and Elliot at Pitt. Winning is hard. I'd take the 3 RMU guys and try to win with defense/rebounding and hope you can get that 1 good scorer. Inotherwords, the WVU model. They, actually, did well bringing a former Horizon League Player who only averaged 11 at UIC and is averaging 8 at WVU and playing good defense.

I know nothing about them. Just felt like taking a shot.

 

[Rupart33]

What about this for a hypothetical lineup:

PG - need to find one
SG - Cummings
SF - Amarion Dickerson 13/6, Horizon DPOY
4/5 - GDG and Alvaro Folguieras (9.3 RPG, Horizon POY)

Bench
Kam Woods (14.6 PPG, 2nd team All Horizon)
Jorge
Witherspoon
Kante
Need another guard and another shooter

You forgot the main RMU guy, are we getting Toole?

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

Bring whomever in, but that lineup sucks. I don't think Cummings is going to be a + players as soon as next season, and GDG cannot start. Why does he keep slipping through the criticism cracks simply because he rebounds better than the worse rebounding center in Division 1 basketball? He absolutely sucks.

 

[PittPharm2002]

You mean as a new coaching staff ?
Sure

 

[Rupart33]

I think winning translates, to a degree. I mean, no, RMU wouldn't go more than 4-16 in the ACC but they have built a winning team. Look at the D2 guys playing for Drake now. Look at the Charleston/JMU guys at Louisville. Nelly and Elliot at Pitt. Winning is hard. I'd take the 3 RMU guys and try to win with defense/rebounding and hope you can get that 1 good scorer. Inotherwords, the WVU model. They, actually, did well bringing a former Horizon League Player who only averaged 11 at UIC and is averaging 8 at WVU and playing good defense.

Why do you think Capel could suddenly coach defense and rebounding?

 

[PittPharm2002]

Why do you think Capel could suddenly coach defense and rebounding?

We still wouldn’t press out on shooters .

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Why do you think Capel could suddenly coach defense and rebounding?

Because you can't coach rebounding. And some guys can defend without being coached to. So I'd take the Horizon DPOY

 

[Rupart33]

Because you can't coach rebounding. And some guys can defend without being coached to. So I'd take the Horizon DPOY

Your silly rebounding myth has been discussed enough. Of course coaches coach rebounding, it's just some are better at teaching than others. And yes, there are some naturally great rebounders, doesn't mean the rest can't be taught how to rebound.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Your silly rebounding myth has been discussed enough. Of course coaches coach rebounding, it's just some are better at teaching than others. And yes, there are some naturally great rebounders, doesn't mean the rest can't be taught how to rebound.

You can be coached to rebound slightly better. No one taught Jerome Lane or Sam Clancy or DeJuan Blair or Dennis Rodman. They have the instinct. If Dixon coached Cam Corhen, he would have been only a slightly better rebounder.

 

[Chairman Moe]

What about this for a hypothetical lineup:

PG - need to find one
SG - Cummings
SF - Amarion Dickerson 13/6, Horizon DPOY
4/5 - GDG and Alvaro Folguieras (9.3 RPG, Horizon POY)

Bench
Kam Woods (14.6 PPG, 2nd team All Horizon)
Jorge
Witherspoon
Kante
Need another guard and another shooter

What makes you think those two RMU guys would want to play for Pitt?

 

[Pittisit4me]

Bring me a 5 with a man's body, a pair of hands, and some jumping ability. I don't care where you get him, even if it's a jail cell. LOL. I mean, you can't be successful playing a 4 and a 5 that are weak, have no hands, are limited athletically, get pushed around, and worst of all, can't play defense.

 

[Rupart33]

You can be coached to rebound slightly better. No one taught Jerome Lane or Sam Clancy or DeJuan Blair or Dennis Rodman. They have the instinct. If Dixon coached Cam Corhen, he would have been only a slightly better rebounder.

No one is arguing that that there aren't great natural rebounders. But have you watched Pitt play? Why do they rebound so poorly? It's not just Cam Corhen. They don't fundamentally do what good rebounding teams do. And those are all skills that can be taught and executed, if the players have the desire. I think Cam Corhen would be a better rebounder for a Dixon coached team, or he wouldn't get off the bench much.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Bring whomever in, but that lineup sucks. I don't think Cummings is going to be a + players as soon as next season, and GDG cannot start. Why does he keep slipping through the criticism cracks simply because he rebounds better than the worse rebounding center in Division 1 basketball? He absolutely sucks.

Yea, I dont know why GDG always gets a pass. I give him a pass too and I'm not sure why. He's the least talked about player, positively or negatively. I guess maybe the thought is that everyone needs a 5th starter and we can do worse as a 5th starter than GDG.

 

[TD_6082]

I think winning translates, to a degree. I mean, no, RMU wouldn't go more than 4-16 in the ACC but they have built a winning team. Look at the D2 guys playing for Drake now. Look at the Charleston/JMU guys at Louisville. Nelly and Elliot at Pitt. Winning is hard. I'd take the 3 RMU guys and try to win with defense/rebounding and hope you can get that 1 good scorer. Inotherwords, the WVU model. They, actually, did well bringing a former Horizon League Player who only averaged 11 at UIC and is averaging 8 at WVU and playing good defense.

You can literally find players everywhere. I have some friends that coach in East TN, and there's a D2 freshman there that is starting to get a lot of attention from major D1 programs - Elyjah Freeman at Lincoln Memorial University (located in BFE on the TN-KY border)

 

[Pittisit4me]

Yea, I dont know why GDG always gets a pass. I give him a pass too and I'm not sure why. He's the least talked about player, positively or negatively. I guess maybe the thought is that everyone needs a 5th starter and we can do worse as a 5th starter than GDG.

We have no 4 or 5. Our 3 even sucks of late missing layups and dunks last night. Never mind the two guards who are mostly useless. It's easy to see why we are where we are. Capel misevaluated these guys and he can't coach.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

No one is arguing that that there aren't great natural rebounders. But have you watched Pitt play? Why do they rebound so poorly? It's not just Cam Corhen. They don't fundamentally do what good rebounding teams do. And those are all skills that can be taught and executed, if the players have the desire. I think Cam Corhen would be a better rebounder for a Dixon coached team, or he wouldn't get off the bench much.

The late three point play by Middlebrooks last night was the perfect example of that. He started the rebounding sequence two or three steps further away from the basket than Corhen was. But he went hard to the glass, and Corhen just stood there and waited to see if the ball would come to him. All Corhen needed to do was to take a half a step to his right and Middlebrooks would not have been able to get to the ball. Instead, he stood there while Middlebrooks went right around him, got the ball, and made the shot even as Corhen was fouling him.

That is a perfect example of how working hard and doing the right thing works. Middlebrooks could be the best rebounder in the country (although he's not, or even close to it) and if Corhen had been technically sound on the play and actually did the work there would have been nothing at all that Middlebrooks could have done to get the ball.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The late three point play by Middlebrooks last night was the perfect example of that. He started the rebounding sequence two or three steps further away from the basket than Corhen was. But he went hard to the glass, and Corhen just stood there and waited to see if the ball would come to him. All Corhen needed to do was to take a half a step to his right and Middlebrooks would not have been able to get to the ball. Instead, he stood there while Middlebrooks went right around him, got the ball, and made the shot even as Corhen was fouling him.

That is a perfect example of how working hard and doing the right thing works. Middlebrooks could be the best rebounder in the country (although he's not, or even close to it) and if Corhen had been technically sound on the play and actually did the work there would have been nothing at all that Middlebrooks could have done to get the ball.

It's not just being technically sound. It's instinct. Middlebrooks hunts the ball. Corhen will rebound the ball if it's in his exact area. Some guys are like magnets to the ball.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It's not just being technically sound. It's instinct. Middlebrooks hunts the ball. Corhen will rebound the ball if it's in his exact area. Some guys are like magnets to the ball.

Once again, everyone recognizes that it isn't just being technically sound. Some guys do, in fact, have a knack for getting rebounds. However, it is absolutely true that guys can make up for some of not having that innate ability by working hard and being technically sound. Like I said, Middlebrooks could be the best rebounder in the county and Corhen could be, well, Corhen, and if he would have simply taken the half step necessary to box Middlebrooks out there would have been no way, short of fouling, for Middlebrooks to get to the ball.

That play was exactly the kind of play that shows that sometimes the guy who is working hard and boxing out his man can out rebound the guy with more innate ability.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Once again, everyone recognizes that it isn't just being technically sound. Some guys do, in fact, have a knack for getting rebounds. However, it is absolutely true that guys can make up for some of not having that innate ability by working hard and being technically sound. Like I said, Middlebrooks could be the best rebounder in the county and Corhen could be, well, Corhen, and if he would have simply taken the half step necessary to box Middlebrooks out there would have been no way, short of fouling, for Middlebrooks to get to the ball.

That play was exactly the kind of play that shows that sometimes the guy who is working hard and boxing out his man can out rebound the guy with more innate ability.

Yes but I dont think any amount of coaching could have gotten Corhen that rebound. For 1, they were playing zone and it's harder to rebound out of a zone because you may not have a guy in your immediate area to box out, which is exactly what happened on that play. Corhen didn't have the instant to "go get it." He didn't even need to box out on that play. He just needed to attack the ball like his life was on the line. That's what good rebounders do. They want the ball, they need the ball. They will do anything to get it. Corhen will get a rebound if the ball goes straight to him and no one else is remotely close. He is as good of a free throw rebounder as there is in college basketball (tongue in cheek).

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

Has capel ever recruited a guy with a knack for rebounding?

I looked through the years and only two were candidates……champagnie and Audise Toney (I know I’m butchering those names but whatever). Justin C is the only guy in the capel era to average more than 10 boards a game in a season.

 

[KennyTheKangaroo]

The more I look at the stats the more nauseous I get. The longer into capel’s tenure you look, the worse it gets.

This year and last, ish lead the team in rebounds per game. Last year bub was second and our “big” Fede was third. 2022-2023 Blake Hinson somehow led the team in rebounds per game despite having a vertical of 3 inches.

Hugley was the last guy to average over 7 a game.

Capel does not care about rebounds

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

He didn't even need to box out on that play. He just needed to attack the ball like his life was on the line. That's what good rebounders do. They want the ball, they need the ball. They will do anything to get it.

Another example of you making someone's point for them without even realizing it.

Yes, exactly, Corhen didn't NEED to box out on that play. But if Corhen HAD boxed out on that play he would have gotten the rebound. No matter how good a rebounder Middlebrooks is (or is not). No matter if it was Dennis Rodman out there. Because Corhen had superior position and an easy chance to put his body in front of Middlebrooks. It doesn't take any innate ability to do that. It doesn't take being a natural rebounder to do that. It wouldn't have even needed attaching the ball to do that.

All it would have taken was being technically sound and doing the work.

 

[PittPharm2002]

It's not just being technically sound. It's instinct. Middlebrooks hunts the ball. Corhen will rebound the ball if it's in his exact area. Some guys are like magnets to the ball.

It is very much about being technically sound -
finding a man and boxing out .
Great rebounders just do it consistently.

You’ve never played organized basketball have you ?

 

[PITTstorm]

You can be coached to rebound slightly better. No one taught Jerome Lane or Sam Clancy or DeJuan Blair or Dennis Rodman. They have the instinct. If Dixon coached Cam Corhen, he would have been only a slightly better

You can be coached to rebound slightly better. No one taught Jerome Lane or Sam Clancy or DeJuan Blair or Dennis Rodman. They have the instinct. If Dixon coached Cam Corhen, he would have been only a slightly better rebounder.

Dixon would’ve never brought a guy like Corhen in.

 

[PittPharm2002]

It is very much about being technically sound -
finding a man and boxing out .
Great rebounders just do it consistently.

You’ve never played organized basketball have you ?

I mean I wasn’t even a very good player - a SG who grew into a PF - but defense and rebounding are all about fundamentals, positioning, and effort.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Dixon would’ve never brought a guy like Corhen in.

True. Dixon asked nothing offensively out of the 5. Just defend and rebound. He had an all-time great quote about Zanna. Hillgrove asked Dixon about him speaking 10 languages. Dixon said he wants him to speak one language: rebound. Capel's over here running an offense through his Center, who drops the ball half the time.

 

[PittPharm2002]

True. Dixon asked nothing offensively out of the 5. Just defend and rebound. He had an all-time great quote about Zanna. Hillgrove asked Dixon about him speaking 10 languages. Dixon said he wants him to speak one language: rebound. Capel's over here running an offense through his Center, who drops the ball half the time.

Unless you have a dominant 5 - Dixon is right .
“Get your offense off the glass !”