Wow: Colin Cowherd says Mike Tomlin is hurting the Steelers!!

[wbrpanther]

"Did Big Ben's absence prove the Steelers are just an average team with a great QB?"


Does a stupid question like this unequivocally prove Cowherd is a douche? They lost by eleven to arguably the best team in football with a rash of injuries prior to the game.

That is not his point. I am as pro Steeler as they come but you can not ignore the fact that this team loses to terrible teams on a consistent basis.

Cowherd can often be a douche but well coached teams are disciplined teams and the Steelers show a lack of discipline all the time. You can write off this week's game as not having a full team and playing New England. How do you explain Miami. How do you explain the dozen or so head scratching losses to wildly inferior teams over the past 5 years or so?

Gotta be coaching.

 

[Jeffburgh]

He is horrible at challenging, has to take some of the blame on the record against bad teams(ben has been really bad on the road and deserves a percentage of the blame as well) and doesn't do a good job at game management. However you have to give him some credit for winning a pretty high percentage against good teams. It doesn't matter he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I dont disagree w some of the other points you and others make in this thread, but statistically Tomlin actually is the best in the league on challenges.
Not sure why he challenged that play Sunday, he seemed caught up in the moment.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Their record under him against bad teams is an embarrassment. I don't think he's terrible but this alone suggests there's a lot of room for improvement.

And his record challenging plays is terrible as well. I realize they have help but if his advice has been bad then it's on him to get someone better. When he challenged Gronk's catch it was stupid. Think they could have used that time out at the end of the half Sunday?

I think it's funny that people fixate on coaching of
Professional adult athletes in regards to preparation and motivation.
Especially head coaching.

 

[pittman71]

actually the last two seasons injuries have derailed Pittsburgh from making good playoff runs; last year they lost Antonio Brown to that cheap shot from Burflict; Ben also got hurt in that Bengals game and LeVeon Bell had already been lost for the season early on. The year before Bell got hurt against the Bengals in the season finale; he had been their best player on offense in 2014.

It seems like Pittsburgh is just unlucky regarding injuries to key offensive players derailing playoff runs

 

[revampedpanthers]

Colin is absolutely 100% right...

Nobody in the Pittsburgh media will ever dare criticize Tomlin though....why?? Are they scared or intimidated? I dont get it??

This team just doesnt get any better...the front 7 on D is soooooo soft, which is inexcusable considering most of them are high draft picks. The secondary has been a train wreck for years...they cant fix it.

Tons of injuries every year and we NEVER seem to have good depth at any position, especially on D and QB.

Bottom line, there is no excuse for losing to bad teams time and time and time again!! That is 100% the sign of a poorly coached team.

First I have said many times on here and the other site I don't think Tomlin is a great coach, he is solid, he does some things well and others not so well.
The whole losing to bad teams is somewhat over blown. A post on steelers scout forum pointed out that a lot of these "bad" teams weren't bad and finished the year with a good record. Tomlin was 6-2 vs teams that finished with a losing record last year. Now the previous 3 years he was 13-11 to teams that finished with a losing record, which isn't good enough. This year the eagles are likely finish above .500 and the pats will, Miami might or might not we will see.

 

[lilspainishflea]

The NFL is designed to be a mostly level playing field. Ergo, losses happen in professional football and the best teams go about 12-4.

When you look at the injuries the Steelers have had the last few years, they really seem to be snakebitten more than most teams. Given that the talent gap between teams is already small, when one team loses their best 2 or 3 players on both sides of the ball, it's no wonder that they underperform relative to expectations.

Colbert has not done a great job restocking. Gone are the years where all of the Steelers' first round picks grow into All Pro players. Still, despite all of the obstacles every year, Tomlin mostly does a pretty good job. He's easily behind the top 4ish coaches in Belichik, Carroll, Arians, and John Harbaugh, but he's in the next tier. Other coaches in similar situations - like McCarthy and Sean Payton - have done far worse.

As we all know being Pitt fans, you have to be careful what you wish for with a coaching change. You might run off Andy Reid for Chip Kelly....or a 10 game winner for a series of 6 game winners.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

actually the last two seasons injuries have derailed Pittsburgh from making good playoff runs; last year they lost Antonio Brown to that cheap shot from Burflict; Ben also got hurt in that Bengals game and LeVeon Bell had already been lost for the season early on. The year before Bell got hurt against the Bengals in the season finale; he had been their best player on offense in 2014.

It seems like Pittsburgh is just unlucky regarding injuries to key offensive players derailing playoff runs

Quality coaching staffs work thru those pesky injury situations!
Happens to a lot of teams who finish at the top of their divisions.
The game moves to fast for Tomlin and staff!

 

[lilspainishflea]

Quality coaching staffs work thru those pesky injury situations!
Happens to a lot of teams who finish at the top of their divisions.
The game moves to fast for Tomlin and staff!

There's really no amount of coaching that can get through the loss of a top 5 QB, top 10 ILB, top 15 DE, top 20 WR, #1 pass rusher, etc. etc. all at the same time. And that's just this year. In previous years you've lost Bell, Pouncey, Mitchell, Beachum, etc. You're talking about replacing multiple All Pros. It's just not feasible.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Quality coaching staffs work thru those pesky injury situations!
Happens to a lot of teams who finish at the top of their divisions.
The game moves to fast for Tomlin and staff!

No team besides the Patriots lose their starting QB, 2OL, 3 of their top 4 WR and best DL and OLB and don't miss a beat. The steelers are a fringe SB contender if they are completely healthy. Since that doesn't happen very often its a question of who is out. They can afford to lose one OT, one WR, one TE etc but they have lost to many "key" guys.

 

[lilspainishflea]

No team besides the Patriots lose their starting QB, 2OL, 3 of their top 4 WR and best DL and OLB and don't miss a beat. The steelers are a fringe SB contender if they are completely healthy. Since that doesn't happen very often its a question of who is out. They can afford to lose one OT, one WR, one TE etc but they have lost to many "key" guys.

There's no doubt that Belichik is a better coach - he may be the best NFL coach of all time. But they also had months to prepare their backup QB and he was a better pro prospect than Landry Jones. Nobody else could do this. Take away David Johnson, Fitzgerald, Patrick Peterson, and Calais Campbell and tell me what the Cardinals are. Take away Aaron Rodgers, Brian Bulaga, Clay Matthews, and Dix and tell me how the Packers would do.

 

[revampedpanthers]

actually the last two seasons injuries have derailed Pittsburgh from making good playoff runs; last year they lost Antonio Brown to that cheap shot from Burflict; Ben also got hurt in that Bengals game and LeVeon Bell had already been lost for the season early on. The year before Bell got hurt against the Bengals in the season finale; he had been their best player on offense in 2014.

It seems like Pittsburgh is just unlucky regarding injuries to key offensive players derailing playoff runs

They have been a bit snake bit by injuries, even more so than normal NFL teams. If you asked at the beginning of the year what players they could least afford to lose most of those guys have missed time.
1. Ben
2. Bell
3. heyward- best DL and D is weak
4. shazier- again D lacks playmakers so that's why he is this high
5. Brown- great player but behind the D because they still have some other weapons
6. Dupree- only real shot at consistent rush from OLB Deebo is to old to play more than a few snaps
7. Gilbert- their best OT
Out of those 7 guys they can least afford to lose only one hasn't missed games.

 

[sherepower]

You guys can use all the excuses you want. Or spin it anyway you want.

The bottom line is Tomlin has given the proud Steeler nation ONE playoff win in 6 years. If it wasn't for a maniac who lost his mind in that playoff game. Tomlin would have ZERO playoff wins in the last 6 years lol. That's with a top 5 QB

Yet, there are people who think he is a better coach than Bill Cowher lol. Wow!

That's the last i will comment about the Steelers. I like Pitt and college football 10 times more anyway

 

[chethejet]

The Cowher wanted the OT from Arkansas is correct to a point. the Steelers including Cowher never expected Ben to fall to them. Of course if they really wanted Ben why not trade up for him? Anyone think of that? Cowher never said or mentioned that he didn't want Ben. He just never considered teams passing on him to be available at the 11th pick. He liked Ben and didn't need Rooney to step in at the time of the pick. If Ben isn't there yes the OT is the pick. Cowhers fault was not grasping the need for a really good QB was far more important a position than he valued.

 

[pittman71]

If it wasn't for a maniac who lost his mind in that playoff game. Tomlin would have ZERO playoff wins in the last 6 years lol.

I know you don't want to comment on the Steelers but what maniac are you referring to?

 

[Pitt79]

Cowherd is on the money!
Watch other coaches interact with their players and staff on good and bad plays and compare that to Tomlin.
The Steelers staff and players don't look like they're on the same page and don't look like they're pumped up to play!
Evidence of that is the Steelers record and stats!

It's true, but the Rooneys are obsessed with their idiotic "never fire a coach forever and ever and ever amen, no matter what happens" rule, so Tomlin is untouchable.

 

[Pitt79]

Also keep in mind Cowher had to work with Cordal Stewart, Tommie Maddox, Neil O'Donnell as his QB's. Yet, he always made the playoffs.

But on the other hand, Cowher was clueless with his idiotic mindset that you don't need an elite QB-just run the ball/stop the run/run out the clock, and he never tried to get one for years, he didn't even want to draft Ben, but Dan Rooney forced that one on him, and had he not drafted Ben, he would have never won a Super Bowl.

 

[damase2331]

actually the last two seasons injuries have derailed Pittsburgh from making good playoff runs; last year they lost Antonio Brown to that cheap shot from Burflict; Ben also got hurt in that Bengals game and LeVeon Bell had already been lost for the season early on. The year before Bell got hurt against the Bengals in the season finale; he had been their best player on offense in 2014.

It seems like Pittsburgh is just unlucky regarding injuries to key offensive players derailing playoff runs

And Deangelo Williams missed the playoffs last year, and if Fitzy Truissant doesn't fumble, the Steelers are playing NE in the AFC title game with all three of the prime offensive players either out or severely injured. Its like when people called for Cower's head when he was coaching, I would retort with, well who are they going to hire better because good coaches just do not grow on trees.

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing record, ever, in 9 years. And if the talent is so bad, then how the hell has he never had a losing record if he is a terrible coach?

Now his teams definitely play to the level of their competition as his 19-22 record against teams 500 or worse indicates, but that means he is approximately 75 and 30 against teams with a winning record. Steeler fans have to realize what they have and another Bill Belicheck, Bill Walsh or Chuck Knoll are not just laying around on the coaching pile heap. However, coaches like Mike Singeltary, Marty Morningwhig are. Let's have a couple 3-13 season, hell even a 7-9 season under Tomlin before he is labeled a terrible coach.

No talent, but never had a losing record, but then othgers say he has talent and under performs. People make the narrative fit what they want. Guess what, he has also made it to another Super Bowl, that they probably win if Bust Mendenhall doesn't fumble the ball and Pouncey was injured and he was probably having his best season as a pro his rookie year (Pouncey that is).

 

[sherepower]

I know you don't want to comment on the Steelers but what maniac are you referring to?

The Linebacker from Cincy. Burific sp? and Pac man

 

[pittman71]

But on the other hand, Cowher was clueless with his idiotic mindset that you don't need an elite QB-just run the ball/stop the run/run out the clock,

just like Wanny

 

[Pitt79]

just like Wanny

They where both from the same school of coaching philosophy, attrition football, run/stop the run, control the clock, shorten the game, hope the D holds. I got so sick and tired of watching his teams nurse 4 point leads! He'd be up 4-7 and immediately there'd be no passing attempts the rest of the game, and you'd be having your fingers crossed that the D would hold in the last minute, because he refused to try to pad the lead. I remember a game they where up 21-3 over the Vikings, and they ran the ball like 25 straight plays at the end, Fuamatu-Ma-afala had like 25 carries for 66 yards, the Vikes kept scoring and the Steelers kept doing 3 and outs, and finally with under a minute Fu busted off a 35 yard run on a 3rd and 9, that allowed them to go victory formation with a 21-18 lead, after Randy Moss caught two TD passes. I got so disgusted with Cowher's gutless brand of football.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

No team besides the Patriots lose their starting QB, 2OL, 3 of their top 4 WR and best DL and OLB and don't miss a beat. The steelers are a fringe SB contender if they are completely healthy. Since that doesn't happen very often its a question of who is out. They can afford to lose one OT, one WR, one TE etc but they have lost to many "key" guys.

Why are they injured more than other teams year in and year out?
Could that be the way they train?
That's all part of " coaching."
Injuries nice excuse but when it happens year in and year out somethings wrong!

 

[pittdan77]

Tomlin has a few things going for him in Pittsburgh.

1. He inherited a Super Bowl ready team.
2. The media is terribly soft on him especially given his stupid answers in press conferences.
3. The ownership is just fine with how things are going.
4. Most years, the AFC North is pretty average from 1-3 and Cleveland is just...Cleveland.

The NFL has really fallen off the last few years so it may not matter too much but Tomlin has failed badly in his attempts to build depth and develop draft picks. It will catch up with them soon.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Tomlin has a few things going for him in Pittsburgh.

1. He inherited a Super Bowl ready team.
2. The media is terribly soft on him especially given his stupid answers in press conferences.
3. The ownership is just fine with how things are going.
4. Most years, the AFC North is pretty average from 1-3 and Cleveland is just...Cleveland.

The NFL has really fallen off the last few years so it may not matter too much but Tomlin has failed badly in his attempts to build depth and develop draft picks. It will catch up with them soon.

# 2 & #3 are the problems for Steeler fans. # 3 is why the Steeler wont return to being a great team and a great franchise.
Years of being mediocore will catch up with the franchise and they'll find themselves in the middle of the pack with declining fan support!

 

[Pitt79]

When Ben leaves, they will be down for years, IMO. The Rooneys are not 'sense of urgency' people, they won't bust their tails or go way out of their ways to get a franchise QB pronto. They're so screwed up, they might even want to give Landry Jones the 1st shot at it.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing record, ever, in 9 years. And if the talent is so bad, then how the hell has he never had a losing record if he is a terrible coach?

It's the conundrum that bedevils the small minded Stiller fan.

 

[Pitt79]

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing record, ever, in 9 years. And if the talent is so bad, then how the hell has he never had a losing record if he is a terrible coach?

BEN. That's the answer, he carries the team himself enough times per year to win 8 or more games, when he goes, it's over.

 

[pittdan77]

Years of being mediocore will catch up with the franchise and they'll find themselves in the middle of the pack with declining fan support!

When Ben leaves, they will be down for years, IMO. The Rooneys are not 'sense of urgency' people, they won't bust their tails or go way out of their ways to get a franchise QB pronto.

Support won't decline. The Steelers could rattle off a dozen years of 8-8 football and there would be zero decline. Actually, the 80's and early 90's are just about all of the evidence you need to say that for certain.

I've always argued that the best and worst thing about the Steelers as a franchise is that the support is always there so the owners don't ever act with any sense of urgency. Cubs are another great example. The last year or so excluded, that franchise has been a disaster and yet their fan base support is always there.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

I assumed the yinzer talking points would come out in this thread and lo and behold, they did......

Tomlin just needs to get a chin extension and have spit flying down the side of his mouth and chin and yinzers will be satisfied

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

I assumed the yinzer talking points would come out in this thread and lo and behold, they did......

Tomlin just needs to get a chin extension and have spit flying down the side of his mouth and chin and yinzers will be satisfied

He's the wrong tint of skin color for yinzers