Wow - that was some crazy call at end of WVU game....

[pitt-girl]

Their upperclassmen-heavy defense is stout, very impressed. However, I can't imagine the WVU faithful were very happy with the 3 and 2 call to lob it into the end zone in OT or the fact that Holgorsen didn't make use of his TO when it was 4th down. Kind of head scratching IMHO. I think his seat continues to be very warm.

 

[pbrad]

Their upperclassmen-heavy defense is stout, very impressed. However, I can't imagine the WVU faithful were very happy with the 3 and 2 call to lob it into the end zone in OT or the fact that Holgorsen didn't make use of his TO when it was 4th down. Kind of head scratching IMHO. I think his seat continues to be very warm.

Their conference sched. is tough. I guess they made a comeback, I dont'watch them. Were they on ESPN 25 since they own the Pgh market.

 

[Jeffburgh]

They were on national TV.

Holgerson and this program has a VERY clear pattern.

Emotional and exciting, ups and downs.

This extends directly from who he is a person.

SO, they are going to win some games and they are going burn out, make mistakes and lose games.

It just depends on the WVU fan base, if they can reconcile that he is an 7-8 win coach on average and he isn't a guy who is going to win a national championship or conference title, and they can live with the disappointments while enjoying the high flying moments, he might be OK.

If they get all carried away with the good moments thinking it is more than what it is, they will be frustrated and think the should be more than what they are.

 

[vietvet1]

They were on national TV.

Holgerson and this program has a VERY clear pattern.

Emotional and exciting, ups and downs.

This extends directly from who he is a person.

SO, they are going to win some games and they are going burn out, make mistakes and lose games.

It just depends on the WVU fan base, if they can reconcile that he is an 7-8 win coach on average and he isn't a guy who is going to win a national championship or conference title, and they can live with the disappointments while enjoying the high flying moments, he might be OK.

If they get all carried away with the good moments thinking it is more than what it is, they will be frustrated and think the should be more than what they are.

Their board is in melt down mode. Some want Holgy fired. Most are critical about the play calling and qb play. They are lamenting the up coming schedule of Baylor, TCU and TT. I still believe the travel they have to do places their players at a huge disadvantage because of the time and adjustment factor. That's just my opinion but I think it has merit.

 

[Pittx9]

If they get all carried away with the good moments thinking it is more than what it is, they will be frustrated and think the should be more than what they are.

I think Holgy himself is the one getting carried away, maybe someone should tell him what you said. That guy is always frustrated, he looks like a complete train wreck on the sidelines.

 

[Jakey_John]

I watch WVU for the same reasons I watch a lot of CFB. Most times their games are entertaining. Yhe myth that Dana is a good coach becomes less believable each year because much of the time he conference play is awful. He is a blowhard in the mold of a Todd Graham and given the right opportunity he will drop WVU like ear medicine.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Might be the end of Holgrosen Coaching career at WVU too!

It is looking more and more Dana is not a great fit at WVU. I respect Dana, WVU Football Program and University and I follow and watch them and even attend a game once in awhile.

The WVU Boosters are not happy and Dana has been let down by not having the High Quality QBs WVU is used to having, and going up against TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS, OU, OKSU, KSU, & TEXAS TECH is by no means east by any Coach.

WVU belongs in the ACC along with ND and UCincy. CFB needs to go to a For Profit League and reorganize and relocate all of the schools on a more efficient geographical basis taking into size of schools, public/private status, and traditional rivalries well established on history of the CFB.

The closer the Programs the more they should play because they help sell tickets based on traditions, and One Big TV Money Pot will be shared by all Conferences and Programs, much like the NFL.

Dana is finish at WVU unless he can beat some of the following Teams in TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech & KSU, and can't lose to ISU or Kansas. Dana needs to win 8 or 9 Games and that means beating 5 or 6 of the above 8?

I don't think that is going happen, and Mountain Mama is sending Dana out to another Country Road soon! Just a Hunch!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I think Holgy himself is the one getting carried away, maybe someone should tell him what you said. That guy is always frustrated, he looks like a complete train wreck on the sidelines.

When one talks about how he has his Team near Championship Status and can't back it up, then he put more pressure on himself, and you ARE SEEING A TRAIN WRECK?

 

[Pittx9]

When one talks about how he has his Team near Championship Status and can't back it up, then he put more pressure on himself, and you ARE SEEING A TRAIN WRECK?

Train wreck as far as his appearance. His hair is a mess and he looks drunk lol!

 

[Jeffburgh]

Their board is in melt down mode. Some want Holgy fired. Most are critical about the play calling and qb play. They are lamenting the up coming schedule of Baylor, TCU and TT. I still believe the travel they have to do places their players at a huge disadvantage because of the time and adjustment factor. That's just my opinion but I think it has merit.

I agree totally, their travel is very onerous.

 

[Jeffburgh]

I think Holgy himself is the one getting carried away, maybe someone should tell him what you said. That guy is always frustrated, he looks like a complete train wreck on the sidelines.

Hes like an 8 year old throwing a tantrum all game. Cutting the mullet was all fine and well, but hes still extraordinarily immature for a D1 football coach

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

A few thoughts from an ex Morgantown resident.

1)WVU needs to understand who they are. My god, since RichRod had those magical seasons they think they are Michigan.

2) 8 wins is a good year. For most of us.

3) They recruit the "margins" of everyone else's recruiting areas.

4) Holgy has an exciting offense, who doesn't in the NBABig 12. It is mostly Arena football. But for all the stats and the hype, their QB (Skylar something) is not good. He is Tino Sunseri. He may put up some numbers against bad teams, but he is not a good QB at all.

5) If they fire Holgerson, then what? Their program, as much as we are, is a stepping stone program. If Holgy won 11 games this year, likely he would be gone anyways. WVU fans you don't think you are stepping stone? In the midst of your greatest run, native and alum Rich Rod bolted for bigger opportunities.

6) Man since they went to the Big 12, they no longer play us and aren't ranked, they are as popular with the local media as is Clarion.

 

[Pittx9]

But for all the stats and the hype, their QB (Skylar something) is not good.

Skyler Howard and agreed. He looked really bad most of the game last night.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Train wreck as far as his appearance. His hair is a mess and he looks drunk lol!

You are not wrong, I was just trying to be polite, but WVU Boosters only care about Winning, Dana can look even worse but if he would have those games against OU and OKSU, they would be buying drinks?

Still it all comes down to winning and WVU is 3-2!!!

 

[Farnox]

Train wreck as far as his appearance. His hair is a mess and he looks drunk lol!

I think he's been watching old Wanny sideline tapes as he keeps pacing around running his hands through his hair!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I think he's been watching old Wanny sideline tapes as he keeps pacing around running his hands through his hair!

Good observation, I recall it vividly from the 13-9 Win at WVU and CoachRod doing the same thing as he waved his arms Bye Bye Country Road!

Not here Dear on the Lair Dear, is that clear dear?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 393479, member: 2328"]A few thoughts from an ex Morgantown resident.
Great place as far as I am concern!

1)WVU needs to understand who they are. My god, since RichRod had those magical seasons they think they are Michigan.
CoachRod is still a great coach and they wish he never left, maybe him too! I think he will be a targeted candidate to return, but will WVU Fans want to eat some Crow? I think they would love it but CoachRod could still be upset how his Mother was treated?

2) 8 wins is a good year. For most of us.
A few years, but not after 5 years, Not by WVU Boosters, Trust me!

3) They recruit the "margins" of everyone else's recruiting areas.
Not Coaching Up Some Players Either!

4) Holgy has an exciting offense, who doesn't in the NBABig 12. It is mostly Arena football. But for all the stats and the hype, their QB (Skylar something) is not good. He is Tino Sunseri. He may put up some numbers against bad teams, but he is not a good QB at all.
Agree, And Lacking Wide Outs Too!

5) If they fire Holgerson, then what? Their program, as much as we are, is a stepping stone program. If Holgy won 11 games this year, likely he would be gone anyways. WVU fans you don't think you are stepping stone? In the midst of your greatest run, native and alum Rich Rod bolted for bigger opportunities.
Yep, good to see that WVU & Penn State have had trouble being a Stepping Program too, even with more wins than Pitt and less Quality Players in the NCAA and NFL Record Books?

6) Man since they went to the Big 12, they no longer play us and aren't ranked, they are as popular with the local media as is Clarion.
They are not even getting a full Payout for another few years, and it cost them $20 Million just to lose more?

They belong in the ACC and even the Big-12 knows it now, they are exactly happy having to travel to WVU too, just too far, and expensive and takes Class Time from athletes?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Skyler Howard and agreed. He looked really bad most of the game last night.

Last game too! Shell has not been able to compensate for him either? OU loses to 1-4 Texas too?

 

[PittMan 72]

Train wreck as far as his appearance. His hair is a mess and he looks drunk lol!

Holgy looks like he is hearing "voices". Not the ones coming through his headset, either.

 

[PittMan 72]

Their board is in melt down mode. Some want Holgy fired. Most are critical about the play calling and qb play. They are lamenting the up coming schedule of Baylor, TCU and TT. I still believe the travel they have to do places their players at a huge disadvantage because of the time and adjustment factor. That's just my opinion but I think it has merit.

Think their next 2 games are on the road at TCU & Baylor. If they go as expected, the hoopies will have 4 losses after those 2 games. The "success" (matter of opinion) of their season will likely then be determined by the TX Tech, KSU and Texas games. The Texas game may have just gotten tougher based on the 'Horns upset of OU yesterday. But none of them are "gimmes".

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Right now it's frustrating because our team is very close to being very good. We have a QB problem. He just can't make the throws to open up our playbook. The schedule is brutal, but I thought OSU would be an important game and one we needed to win. It doesn't get easier from here.

Considering the schedule, getting 7 wins would be respectable. The rise of Baylor and TCU has made winning in our conference difficult. Entering the B12 I expected those games to be mostly wins. I'm hoping Patterson gets a job offer somewhere else and Baylor gets targeted by the NCAA (I'm suspicious of them).

Either way, I'm not worried. WVU does a good job of supporting it's football program. Our administration wants to win. We aren't just happy to be there. If this is the worst it gets, it ain't all that bad.

People mentioned travel - no. Travel isn't an issue. It was in basketball, but they addressed it. These are chartered flights people.

 

[PittMan 72]

Right now it's frustrating because our team is very close to being very good. We have a QB problem. He just can't make the throws to open up our playbook. The schedule is brutal, but I thought OSU would be an important game and one we needed to win. It doesn't get easier from here.

Considering the schedule, getting 7 wins would be respectable. The rise of Baylor and TCU has made winning in our conference difficult. Entering the B12 I expected those games to be mostly wins. I'm hoping Patterson gets a job offer somewhere else and Baylor gets targeted by the NCAA (I'm suspicious of them).

Either way, I'm not worried. WVU does a good job of supporting it's football program. Our administration wants to win. We aren't just happy to be there. If this is the worst it gets, it ain't all that bad.

People mentioned travel - no. Travel isn't an issue. It was in basketball, but they addressed it. These are chartered flights people.

Your defense on here of your program and their predicament is not unexpected or surprising. But I would not ever want to be in your situation. You are between the proverbial "rock and a hard place". Ollie Luck knew it and got the hell out, hoopie alumni or not.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Your defense on here of your program and their predicament is not unexpected or surprising. But I would not ever want to be in your situation. You are between the proverbial "rock and a hard place". Ollie Luck knew it and got the hell out, hoopie alumni or not.

I don't see the situation that way. Coaches are fired every year. I'm happy we are in such a strong conference.

Regarding Luck, you're speaking from an uneducated position on the matter.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Darth_VadEER, post: 393791, member: 3584"]Right now it's frustrating because our team is very close to being very good. We have a QB problem. He just can't make the throws to open up our playbook.
Pitt has been there in previous years and we know the pain? But we like Peterman and Voytik one two punch now. Holgrosen System requires a Top QB and that may be the problem, his system.

The schedule is brutal, but I thought OSU would be an important game and one we needed to win. It doesn't get easier from here.
Exactly, and it is not like WVU loss big, it was in overtime and WVU came back and tied it. Pitt has been there too, not in OT, but in Iowa Game....came back but came up short by 57 yard kick!

Considering the schedule, getting 7 wins would be respectable.
But that is not what Holgrosen said at the end of last year? His said Championship and near it? He put it on himself!

The rise of Baylor and TCU has made winning in our conference difficult.
Hmmnnn. spot on but add to the top 25 and top 10 and Nation too! Two Schools without big or great traditions but found Coaches that know how to win with their system and 2 to 3 star recruits?

Entering the B12 I expected those games to be mostly wins. I'm hoping Patterson gets a job offer somewhere else and Baylor gets targeted by the NCAA (I'm suspicious of them).
Patterson has turned down bigger and better jobs and never leaves.....but WVU Booster should grab him? WVU is pretty good job to take in my opinion! On Briles, there is talk the program is not as clean nut we shall see? TCU has a great President and Athletic Director that carries his vision.

Either way, I'm not worried. WVU does a good job of supporting it's football program. Our administration wants to win. We aren't just happy to be there. If this is the worst it gets, it ain't all that bad.
I said it above before I read it hear! I agree and admire WVU & Program!

People mentioned travel - no. Travel isn't an issue. It was in basketball, but they addressed it. These are chartered flights people.
President Gee has talked about it and it is an issue for many sports at WVU not just Basketball. Even Charter flights with hours in the air and then bus trips to other Universities farther away takes it toll. In the Big East and ACC WVU would have hours by Buses not Planes & Buses and less Hours too!

Good Luck but I fear Dana's fate has been Checkmated this game loss. They are putting together a Short Lists as we post in my opinion.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Your defense on here of your program and their predicament is not unexpected or surprising. But I would not ever want to be in your situation. You are between the proverbial "rock and a hard place". Ollie Luck knew it and got the hell out, hoopie alumni or not.

To be Fair, Ollie had no choice and ULou almost kept WVU out, but that did not happen.

The Facts are the Big-12 wants to expand except for Texas. And that expansion need sto take place near WVU more than any other place. They can use 6 to 8 Teams too, not just 2 or 4?

Yet, the Big12 TV Contract is paying for 12 Schools when there is just 10, and won't take kindly to adding 4 to 6 to 8, without approval and that means 14 to 16 to 18 Teams would have to split up what TV is paying just 12 for right now. The current 10 Schools will not kindly being given less to add more Schools, especially Texas.

UCincy-Ohio, Temple-PA, Memphis-Tenn, BYU-Utah could all add State TV Cable Markets and give WVU a great division to be in, but OU is the only School Publicly Calling for Expansion and even those Schools above would be location problems added but what else can be done?

Houston and SMU won't sit with Texas and Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor?

UCF or USF, ECU, & UConn would make travel tougher too.

This is why I advocate a CFB For Profit League capable of reorganizing all 5 Power Conferences & Teams and Sharing all TV Money, Reducing Rosters, Coaching Comp Standards, 8 Team Playoff, and Four Conferences of 18 to 20 Teams each or 8 at Ten Teams!

When the NFL-AFL merged, and some Teams went from NFL-NFC to AFL-AFC being paid $3 Million to Switch, Steelers-Browns-Colts All conferences were Reorganized by Divsions and Locations & Traditional Rivalries with TV Consultants Input.

The same thing needs down in CFB!
CFB WITH TEN TEAM CONFERENCES
BC
UCONN
CUSE
RUTGERS
PENN STATE
PITT
WVU
UMD
UVA
VT

12 TEAMS ADD CONSIDER:
TEMPLE
UCINCY
ULOU
MEMPHIS

 

[ChazzMo]

I agree the 3rd and 2 call was incredibly ill-advised. They had Smallwood running very hard and Shell running even harder. I think you have to let the team have the chance to make a play and run the ball there, rather than let 2 guys try to make a play.

 

[Pittx9]

Last game too! Shell has not been able to compensate for him either? OU loses to 1-4 Texas too?

Can't stand Oklahoma ever since Larry was robbed of the Heisman. Hook 'em Horns! Actually would have even rather seen WVU beat Oklahoma too.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Can't stand Oklahoma ever since Larry was robbed of the Heisman. Hook 'em Horns! Actually would have even rather seen WVU beat Oklahoma too.

Same here especially by Jason White that got beat badly by KSU and USC that year, and votes in before that happen! He was a bum fathering like 6 children?

I respect Stoops and I like him being from Youngstown! But he just lost to Charlie Strong's Texas Team again showing he has dipped a tad in winning since 2009!

 

[Jeffburgh]

Last game too! Shell has not been able to compensate for him either? OU loses to 1-4 Texas too?

I think the only reason he keeps running shell out there is to help keep their toe hold in the wpial ....

 

[Jeffburgh]

Right now it's frustrating because our team is very close to being very good. We have a QB problem. He just can't make the throws to open up our playbook. The schedule is brutal, but I thought OSU would be an important game and one we needed to win. It doesn't get easier from here.

Considering the schedule, getting 7 wins would be respectable. The rise of Baylor and TCU has made winning in our conference difficult. Entering the B12 I expected those games to be mostly wins. I'm hoping Patterson gets a job offer somewhere else and Baylor gets targeted by the NCAA (I'm suspicious of them).

Either way, I'm not worried. WVU does a good job of supporting it's football program. Our administration wants to win. We aren't just happy to be there. If this is the worst it gets, it ain't all that bad.

People mentioned travel - no. Travel isn't an issue. It was in basketball, but they addressed it. These are chartered flights people.

Charters or not they are flying long fricken distances to the whos who list of dust bin places in the middle of no.where, and it cant be great for alumni to get to.

They using charters for all of the secondary sports, too?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Charters or not they are flying long fricken distances to the whos who list of dust bin places in the middle of no.where, and it cant be great for alumni to get to.

They using charters for all of the secondary sports, too?

Those dust bins happen to have some of the best college football atmospheres in the country.

If travel were so severe that it had an effect on performance, you would have see it in basketball, as the travel is much more tedious and consistent. Yet our basketball team had a great season last year and had enough spark to make it all the way to the Sweet 16. Apparently all those plane rides didn't tire them out.

Have you ever flown charter? Much different than commercial. You pull-up, board, fly straight through and you're there in a couple hours. They only need to do that 5 times this season, hardly grueling for a young athlete.

I know flying is rough on you old-farts. Lots of Dramamine, potty breaks every 45 minutes, periodic stretches to make sure your ankles don't swell up, taking the fat person cart to your connecting gate, ect.

 

[NTOP]

Those dust bins happen to have some of the best college football atmospheres in the country.

If travel were so severe that it had an effect on performance, you would have see it in basketball, as the travel is much more tedious and consistent. Yet our basketball team had a great season last year and had enough spark to make it all the way to the Sweet 16. Apparently all those plane rides didn't tire them out.

Have you ever flown charter? Much different than commercial. You pull-up, board, fly straight through and you're there in a couple hours. They only need to do that 5 times this season, hardly grueling for a young athlete.

I know flying is rough on you old-farts. Lots of Dramamine, potty breaks every 45 minutes, periodic stretches to make sure your ankles don't swell up, taking the fat person cart to your connecting gate, ect.

I thought Huggins sat in First Class???

 

[Pghfan]

flying sucks,, Anything under 8 hours, and I am driving and I don't even like driving.. Of course im not taking charter so yeah, it is probably much nicer..

 

[pierre93]

Get lost, sounds like your making a ton of excuses for being in the arena football league. Anyone with half of a brain knew cc had no other choice than the Big-12. Barbaric fan behaviors and weak academics buried your pathetic asses. Now baaaaack to sheep board Jethro.

 

[Pittx9]

Same here especially by Jason White that git beat badly by KSU and USC that year, and votes in before that happen! He was a bum fathering like 6 children?

I respect Stoops and I like him being from Youngstown! But he just lost to Charlie Strong's Texas Team again showing he has dipped a tad in winning since 2009!

Same Stoops is a great coach IMO. Look it up though, Jason White didn't even lead the Big 12 in most passing categories that year.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I think the only reason he keeps running shell out there is to help keep their toe hold in the wpial ....

Rushel is a "Shell' of what he was in High School and at Pitt this is the wrong system for him. He knows it too. Focus and Discipline are important and Connor proved it!

Oh, Recruits choosing a CFB Program that fist them is just as important too! I truly wish him well, but Shell a great Western Pennsylvania Running Back has joined Terrelle Pryor and Robert Foster on choosing Programs that did not provide the guidance and opportunity they all could have at Pitt! Good luck to all!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Charters or not they are flying long fricken distances to the whos who list of dust bin places in the middle of no.where, and it cant be great for alumni to get to. They using charters for all of the secondary sports, too?

Exactly and President Gee, AD Lyons know it, Dana can't do anything about either and is not the right coach for WVU! Dana might be just a great OC and go back to it. The Burdens and Challenges of becoming a Total Coach is not easy.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"Darth_VadEER, post: 395795, member: 3584"]Those dust bins happen to have some of the best college football atmospheres in the country.
Great and so does WVU but WVU Boosters and Fans are not happy when you can't breath to beat those Atmospheres??? I still never saw a fan or fans win a Football game?

If travel were so severe that it had an effect on performance, you would have see it in basketball, as the travel is much more tedious and consistent. Yet our basketball team had a great season last year and had enough spark to make it all the way to the Sweet 16. Apparently all those plane rides didn't tire them out.
Huggins wins anywhere Cincy, KSU, and WVU and the Big-12 is good in Basketball but not as good in Football and having to fly 60+ players to games, then bus, and house them! Additionally, one sleepy players not ready to play among 22 to 30 Starters as well as Special Teams is not the same as needing just 1 to 3 to 5 to 8 Players winning at Basketball???? If your analogy was correct WVU would have win 10 games in one season in the big-12 by now? Huggins is the right coach for WVU in Big-12 Basketball but that does not translate forDana being the same for WVU Football!

Have you ever flown charter? Much different than commercial. You pull-up, board, fly straight through and you're there in a couple hours. They only need to do that 5 times this season, hardly grueling for a young athlete.
I flew on Executive Jets many times and represented many Charter and Corporate Pilots, it is still Jet Lag and then having to be Bused and Moved into Hotels is also cumbersome with 60+ people than 1 or 15? It is not a couple of hours to Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa and then being bused to those Schools?

I know flying is rough on you old-farts. Lots of Dramamine, potty breaks every 45 minutes, periodic stretches to make sure your ankles don't swell up, taking the fat person cart to your connecting gate, ect.
But these Old Farts you speak of know far more that your display of your Old Fart Thoughts on others not ot knowing why President Gee and others have talked about the challenges of traveling for their Athletes in the Big-12 on TV on Sunday Night on Channel 7?

Furthermore, WVU's Public desires to play Pitt just 2 Hours Away by bus is closer than any Big-12 School?

Photos below of WVU Fans flying to Big-12 Schools without shirts does not compliment any of your comments easily refuted or is that Huggins? When did Huggins lose his hair or has he always been wearing a wig?

 

[Pittx9]

How bout the fans they showed during Saturday's game? Lots of WVU fans with no shirts or weird cut-off shorts. One guy even pumping up the crowd with a boot full of water? Lol you'll never see anything like it again.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

How bout the fans they showed during Saturday's game? Lots of WVU fans with no shirts or weird cut-off shorts. One guy even pumping up the crowd with a boot full of water? Lol you'll never see anything like it again.

That was me. And it wasn't water in that boot, pal.