when you can honestly say with a straight face that at the moment, this team is playing as poorly as and is as flawed fundamentally as any team under Evans and Willard. They are THAT bad. They are disorganized, they don't play hard and they have absolutely no concept of what they're trying to do offensively or defensively. They're a flaming mess. They look like a team playing to get the coach fired.
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Maybe that's exactly what they are doing. Tuning him out. It's the only rational explanation. Can anyone think of another one?
I agree 100% with your post. I have been a big fan of Coach Dixon. I feared that we could not attract a quality coach, evidence football coaches pre Narduzzi for 30+ years.
I may have changed my view on that with Gallagher and Barnes in charge now.
However, Jamie has a platinum parachute courtesy Nordenberg and Pedersen. That should lead to a big time staff shake up. I think that 2 of the 3 assistants should be let go at the end of the season. I do not care which 2 are let go. None of them have stood out.
I may have changed my view on that with Gallagher and Barnes in charge now.
However, Jamie has a platinum parachute courtesy Nordenberg and Pedersen. That should lead to a big time staff shake up. I think that 2 of the 3 assistants should be let go at the end of the season. I do not care which 2 are let go. None of them have stood out.
I agree this group of players are as bad as we've seen under Evans/Willard and they look just as disinterested and disorganized. The only thing this program is missing is some player suspenions.
Probably a good thing the class numbers are such that we'll see a complete overhaul of talent in the next year or so.
The only reason Dixon received the "platinum parachute" was because Pitt matched another school's offer. In hindsight, Pitt should have let Dixon go.
No.
Nerdy was clueless when it came to athletics.
He hired personnel based on thier potential to not embarrass the university, not to coach.
I was thinking the same thing exactly. Especially Young. He looks like he has no interest in listening to any of the coaches (maybe that's why he didn't start).
Wouldn't surprise me if Jamie lost total control of his team.
What has happened to Pitt basketball, damn??
Evans is looking pretty good to me right now. He brought more talent in than Dixon ever has. They underachieved in tourney but so do Dixon's teams. Major shakeup is no longer a question and it has to be soon!
I think it is huge that most of the bad apples will be gone after next year, if you still believe Jamie has a shot to right the ship. It has become clear that Young and Artis won't play defense and Jamie is giving up on those two. Furthermore, since they are perceived as team leaders, and cannot or will not do what Jamie asks of them, their attitude may be affecting the whole team. I am still not sure if they are frustrated at the lack of talent their teammates possess and it has strangled their will to compete. Either way, I don't want to put it all on them, but, it is obvious that Jamie is losing the team again!
That probably explains why the team quit at the end of last year and looks to be packing it in early once again. Strange as this may seem to say, I would not mind seeing those two leave at the end of this season. Starting fresh with players who want to work hard and get better along with some better recruits could make a difference. In fact, getting back to players who are coachable and willing to work hard in Jamie's system might be the turning point in moving the arrow back up. I really hope this is the case, because we aint getting rid of Jamie yet, but I hope they clean house with all the assistants!
That's just flat out wrong.. Dixon wins at a MUCH greater rate, with less talent. No Calipari tobring in blue chippers.
There you go again lol. Keep defending your boy Dixon, I'm sure he appreciates it immensely.
Up until this game, I would absolutely have prefered to have young and artis back next year, but wo them, the will likely be completely uncompetitive.
But, if things are as bad as they appear to be with chemistry and their leadership, they arent going to do much with them, either, and it could be better just to move on and try to set a new tone.
During Evans era the talent recruited was much higher. Whether you want to give credit to his assistant is up to you. Also the facilities back then were horrible and the Big East was in it's heyday.
And they never made it past the first weekend of the tournament, did they?
They made the tournament 5 out of 8 seasons.
NTOP was correcting the analogy of them being similar in performance.
Didn't pay attention to the game much, pretty much knowing they weren't going to win. They are playing like an NBA try out, every man for himself. I think I seen a turn around jumper at the foul line by Young, he even made it but that's a crazy shot. Lucky if they go 3-3 rest of the way.
So you're making excuses for horrible coaching?? Evans did NO recruiting. Inherited Smith, Lane Gore, Goodson, Brookin. The '87 group was already lined up....with Shorter headed to Oak Hill....by Cal & Co. Evans only outcoached one guy in all those years....Leonard Hamilton @ Miami.
I mentioned that they underachieved in my original post. My point was the talent he was able to bring in under harsher conditions (facilities,budget etc) and Pitt was still geographically had the same base to recruit from.
Just showing that the theory that you can't recruit top talent is bogus. And I recall them losing But not getting blown out like Dixon teams seem to be doing.
Not really.
He did not recruit Smith or Lane, Chipman did.
His big class was Shorter, Martin, Mathews, Porter and Miller.
He had another pretty well ranked class that included Jamal Faulkner, but had all kinds of eligibility issues with that class that Faulkner never suited up for him, Mobley had to do a year in CC, and when the dust settled really only got good contributions from the one forward.
Other than those two classes, his recruiting mostly consisted of Omo Moses types.
He never had any depth this his teams, like Howland/JD teams had for a long time until the last several years.
Those were the days where most seasons the teams equipment manager had to dress for practices ...
He did recruit Lane and as I said he was recruiting with poor facilities in the same geographic area. I still maintain it shoes it's possible to bring in top talent something that Dixon apologist seemed to discount as impossible. Jamie has done some good things here and seems to Be a good and decent man but the fact remains he CANNOT recruit.
Well......Pitt played the game "differently" back then. A LOT differently. And we were the poster child for first-round losses at MSG. Did nothing with great players. Dixon had some great teams with lesser talent. Simply no comparison. Evans couldn't find a paying job as a coach after Pitt cut him loose.
No, Chipman recruited Lane.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1985-12-20/sports/0340800198_1_lane-chipman-resignation
I am not saying this to "defend" JD.
In fact, I would agree with the point that there is no reason JD can't recruit at a higher level.
But, the fact is, Evans did not recruit all that much "talent" and really not any more than JD has.
That was part of he was canned, recruiting was drying up.
Who said we can't? It's just less likely.
Dixon recruited a lottery Pick in Adams- I know it doesn't count. NBA level talent in Blair, Young, and Lamar.
He's recruited all conference type of players in Fields, Wanamaker, Gibbs, and Zanna.
The current team sucks...but saying "HE CAN'T RECRUIT" is hyperbolic stupidity,
85-64 and a second straight year end COLLAPSE. If you can't see the talent decline then whose stupid?
I do see a serious decline! We are victims of our own success! Expecting the tournament appearance every year and to compete with top level programs every year was probably a little unrealistic. We need to give Jamie time,at least next years class and the one after to see if he can make us competitive again. We have lost our edge and have regressed and that is all. The dead weight will be gone by 2018, hopefully we will be back to the hard nosed 4 year player that got this whole thing going way back when. We all just need to calm down! Even Duke, kentucky, and Carolina go through down stretches. If we don't show signs of turning things by 2018 then we can pine for Dixon to go!
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Nobody is debating the TALENT ON THIS TEAM IS DOWN.
Nobody.
You're drawing a different conclusion. He's whiffed on several players so our roster is flawed.
That doesn't mean he CANNOT recruit. It means he messed up a couple years in a row.
He hasn't recruited well in 3 years. If he had recruited well, 3 yrs out, we should have a pretty good team. This crew is something special in a bad way!
And there is no disagreement about that point.
there is disagreement with the hyperbole.
The roster is "flawed"? That maybe the understatement of the season! But you have your opinion and I have mine. One thing I'm sure we can agree on is that we want to see a quick turnaround.H2P
I'd like to see how we can finish the season with Mike Young not starting. Personally I thought they looked better yesterday when he wasn't on the floor. This team should not be getting killed at a rate of once a week. There are clear personality issues or something of that manner.
NTOP, no issues with you as a person, but what is your real relationship to Dixon, good friend, brother , married your sister, just wondering. ?
Pitt should just fire Dixon and let one of the assistants take over...
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Oh wait...Pitt doesn't haven't any good assistants either...darn.
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Oh wait...Pitt doesn't haven't any good assistants either...darn.
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