Alleged Format Of 70 Team College Football Super League Leaks, Might Enrage Fans
A photo allegedly showing what a 70 team college football super league would look like leaked.
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It makes sense when considering every variable other than the one driving all of thisI would love playing those 9 other teams every season.
Heinz Field would be packed for ND, PSU, and WVU and Pitt would have some winnable games against teams from this area.
This makes too much sense.
It making too much sense is why it'll never happen.I would love playing those 9 other teams every season.
Heinz Field would be packed for ND, PSU, and WVU and Pitt would have some winnable games against teams from this area.
This makes too much sense.
Other than Maryland and UVA, the Northeast is basically the Eastern Independents.So, back to the 70's?
It makes sense when considering every variable other than the one driving all of this
Because without the other conferences what do they have? They have regional football only covering 1/3 of the us. If 2/3's of the country is no longer a stake holder then much much much less cfb is watched outside those regionsIt makes a lot of sense for Pitt. It doesn't make much sense for SEC and Big Ten...why would they give away an advantageous position?
Because without the other conferences what do they have? They have regional football only covering 1/3 of the us. If 2/3's of the country is no longer a stake holder then much much much less cfb is watched outside those regions
You clearly dont get why people in utah or washington or wvu watch college football in the first place.While I'd love that to be true, Americans cant stop watching college football. Its an American obsession. Its literally the #2 sport in the country behind the NFL
They have the areas covered and all the biggest brands. People say the eyes will drop if they break away, but reality says otherwise. People will still tune in every week to watch the big and sec. And that is why they have all the power and leverage. And that leverage is the tv networks are on their side as well.Because without the other conferences what do they have? They have regional football only covering 1/3 of the us. If 2/3's of the country is no longer a stake holder then much much much less cfb is watched outside those regions
The risk to the SEC and Big Ten is that probably half or more of the total college football market are fans of schools that would be shut out in their mega-conference model. And locking those programs out of the mega-conference will probably cause irreversible damage to the total addressable market, because once fans leave it is very, very difficult to get them to come back. So you accept a bit less pie but the pie is much, much bigger rather than accepting a huge chunk of a much smaller pie. I mean, these are already the biggest brands and they win it all every year, why do they need to kill off the entire sport just to fully lock that in? Isn't the illusion of fairness sufficient?It makes a lot of sense for Pitt. It doesn't make much sense for SEC and Big Ten...why would they give away an advantageous position?
No, this is an assumption. We can't really know how fans will react to the SEC and Big Ten literally absorbing the most prominent 40 brands and killing the remaining 100 because nothing like that has ever happened before. Ratings continue to go up because ostensibly most fans still have a shot. So Pitt fans watch Washington-Michigan because their team was at least in the same league as them, if only on paper. Is that going to happen if Pitt is in the B League? Is it going to happen if Pitt kills their football team?They have the areas covered and all the biggest brands. People say the eyes will drop if they break away, but reality says otherwise. People will still tune in every week to watch the big and sec. And that is why they have all the power and leverage. And that leverage is the tv networks are on their side as well.
I'd love to go back to the 70's. First, Pitt would actually be relevant again. Secondly, I'd be a whole lot younger.So, back to the 70's?
Mostly correct on the TV money thing, but the climate is different now than it was for many decades, with all the channels and streaming platforms. I know many are owned by the same parent companies, but there is enough different options to create competition.People asking the same question: Why would the SEC and Big Ten share money with other teams?
Because they don’t have the final say. TV money will make the decisions. You can throw out all the logical you want concerning realignment, but the puppet masters behind the scenes know the end game.
All these super conference speculation you have seen lately is not pure fantasy.
That's a theory, that the ratings will go down if it's just the SEC and Big Ten, but the evidence to date does not support that theory. I pasted below the Top 50 college football games last year, in terms of TV ratings. 43 of the 50 most watched games (86%) involved at least one team from the SEC or Big Ten (2024 conference alignment) and most involved 2 teams from those conferences.Ratings will go down if the super league is only the Big 10 and the SEC. There’s a reason the NFL is in the biggest TV markets & I’m sorry, Indiana's vs Miss St broadcast is never going to do the same rating in NYC as an NFL game.
That’s a current snapshot. What you are not factoring in, are the current fans of teams that would be left out of the “Big Boy” super league.That's a theory, that the ratings will go down if it's just the SEC and Big Ten, but the evidence to date does not support that theory. I pasted below the Top 50 college football games last year, in terms of TV ratings. 43 of the 50 most watched games (86%) involved at least one team from the SEC or Big Ten (2024 conference alignment) and most involved 2 teams from those conferences.
I bolded the 7 games that did not involve Big Ten or SEC. All seven of those games included Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson, or Colorado. If the Super League were to just be Big Ten and SEC, they' likely add a few more teams each and Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson would 100% be invited. Colorado may or may not be invited, but we know they were only up in the TV ratings because of Coach Prime and he ain't staying there long. So with just a little more expansion the Big Ten and SEC would include every brand that people tune in to see in volume.
1. Ohio State-Michigan -- 19.07 million (Fox)
2. Georgia-Alabama, SEC Championship -- 17.52 million (CBS)
3. Colorado-Oregon -- 10.03 million (ABC)
4. Michigan-Iowa, Big Ten Championship -- 10.02 million (Fox)
5. Ohio State-Notre Dame -- 9.98 million (NBC)
6. Penn State-Ohio State -- 9.96 million (Fox)
7. Colorado State-Colorado -- 9.3 million (ESPN)
8. Oregon-Washington, Pac-12 Championship -- 9.25 million (ABC)
9. LSU-Florida State -- 9.17 million (ABC)
10. Michigan-Penn State -- 9.16 million (Fox)
11. Alabama-Auburn -- 9.09 million (CBS)
12. LSU-Alabama -- 8.82 million (CBS)
13. Texas-Alabama -- 8.76 million (ESPN)
14. Nebraska-Colorado -- 8.73 million (Fox)
15. Tennessee-Alabama -- 8.01 million (CBS)
16. Oklahoma State-Texas, Big 12 Championship -- 7.89 million (ABC)
17. Oklahoma-Texas -- 7.87 million (ABC)
18. Colorado-TCU -- 7.26 million (Fox)
19. USC-Colorado -- 7.24 million (Fox)
20. Alabama-Texas A&M -- 7.23 million (CBS)
21. Oregon-Washington -- 7.04 million (ABC)
22. Louisville-Florida State, ACC Championship -- 7.03 million (ABC)
23. Missouri-Georgia -- 7 million (CBS)
24. Florida State-Clemson -- 6.71 million (ABC)
25. USC-Notre Dame -- 6.43 million (NBC)
26. Georgia-Auburn -- 6.40 million (CBS)
27. Georgia-Florida -- 5.95 million (CBS)
28. Washington State-Washington -- 5.85 million (Fox)
29. Georgia-Tennessee -- 5.73 million (CBS)
30. Michigan-Maryland -- 5.43 million (Fox)
31. South Carolina-Georgia -- 5.42 million (CBS)
32. Georgia-Georgia Tech -- 5.33 million (ABC)
33. Notre Dame-Duke -- 5.32 million (ABC)
34. Tennessee-Florida -- 5.31 million (ESPN)
35. Utah-Washington -- 5.17 million (Fox)
36. Notre Dame-Louisville -- 5.12 million (ABC)
37. Florida State-Florida -- 5.07 million (ESPN)
38. Ohio State-Wisconsin -- 4.87 million (NBC)
39. Alabama-South Florida -- 4.84 million (ABC)
40. Ole Miss-Georgia -- 4.83 million (ESPN)
41. Washington-Oregon State -- 4.73 million (ABC)
42. Colorado-UCLA -- 4.66 million (ABC)
43. Ohio State-Indiana -- 4.65 million (Fox)
44. Ole Miss-Alabama -- 4.61 million (CBS)
45. Maryland-Ohio State -- 4.51 million (Fox)
46. Michigan-Nebraska -- 4.48 million (Fox)
47. Washington-USC -- 4.45 million (ABC)
48. Clemson-Duke -- 4.39 million (ESPN)
48. Iowa-Nebraska -- 4.39 million (CBS)
50. Texas A&M-Tennessee -- 4.38 million (CBS)
I don't know. Obviously some amount fans, like yourself, would watch less. But is it a big enough % that the TV execs would care? Do they think they could make up that difference, and then some, over time by appealing to new fans?That’s a current snapshot. What you are not factoring in, are the current fans of teams that would be left out of the “Big Boy” super league.
I’m a Pitt fan who currently watches a lot of ACC games, and SEC games. I have no interest watching Big 10 or PAC regular season games, but if Pitt would not remain in the top tier of college football, I would not have any interest in watching SEC games.
I can’t be the only one who would lose interest in college football if their team were left out.
This would be heavenly. So I doubt it happens.Alleged Format Of 70 Team College Football Super League Leaks, Might Enrage Fans
A photo allegedly showing what a 70 team college football super league would look like leaked.www.outkick.com
This is a terrific post.I don't know. Obviously some amount fans, like yourself, would watch less. But is it a big enough % that the TV execs would care? Do they think they could make up that difference, and then some, over time by appealing to new fans?
The NFL only has 32 teams. Their fandom and ratings in the U.S. is not based on just fans in those 32 cities. They draw fans from all over the country that 'adopt' teams to root for that are not based on the city they live in.
College football has way less fans than the NFL. However, a TV exec could look at that as a growth opportunity: There are millions of NFL football fans that aren't college football fans - let's get even a fraction of them to watch college football. And they don't need 70 brands to do that. As noted, the NFL only has 32 brands. Get the Top 48 brands into two 24-team leagues (SEC and Big Ten) and then market the heck out of it. There is probably room to market better if focused on just these two leagues than marketing a bunch of leagues consisting of 128 FBS teams. The current product is diluted.
The only hope for schools like Pitt is that the Big Ten and SEC need broken up or reconfigured to shed some dead weight. Schools like Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. could eventually be dumped like Wash St and Oregon St just were. However, if you replace Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers with FSU/Clemson/Notre Dame...there still isn't room for Pitt. They would first have to cut deeper like Miss St, Minnesota, maybe Northwestern or Purdue, then we'd still have to beat out UNC, UVA, Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, and several Big 12 teams.
So even at 48 teams, Pitt isn't getting in. 70 teams definitely should be what Pitt fans root for, but I don't think the TV execs need 70 to make big money. The hope for 70-80 teams is that the TV execs value having more inventory. While Pitt-Syracuse is not going to make the Top 50 watched games list, it can still draw more eyeballs than reruns of Designing Women on Lifetime. Look at how even the crappiest of Bowl games do great ratings compared to what else is on at the same time (vs comparing the ratings to other football games). Football games get ratings.
Alleged Format Of 70 Team College Football Super League Leaks, Might Enrage Fans
A photo allegedly showing what a 70 team college football super league would look like leaked.www.outkick.com
This.That's a theory, that the ratings will go down if it's just the SEC and Big Ten, but the evidence to date does not support that theory. I pasted below the Top 50 college football games last year, in terms of TV ratings. 43 of the 50 most watched games (86%) involved at least one team from the SEC or Big Ten (2024 conference alignment) and most involved 2 teams from those conferences.
I bolded the 7 games that did not involve Big Ten or SEC. All seven of those games included Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson, or Colorado. If the Super League were to just be Big Ten and SEC, they' likely add a few more teams each and Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson would 100% be invited. Colorado may or may not be invited, but we know they were only up in the TV ratings because of Coach Prime and he ain't staying there long. So with just a little more expansion the Big Ten and SEC would include every brand that people tune in to see in volume.
1. Ohio State-Michigan -- 19.07 million (Fox)
2. Georgia-Alabama, SEC Championship -- 17.52 million (CBS)
3. Colorado-Oregon -- 10.03 million (ABC)
4. Michigan-Iowa, Big Ten Championship -- 10.02 million (Fox)
5. Ohio State-Notre Dame -- 9.98 million (NBC)
6. Penn State-Ohio State -- 9.96 million (Fox)
7. Colorado State-Colorado -- 9.3 million (ESPN)
8. Oregon-Washington, Pac-12 Championship -- 9.25 million (ABC)
9. LSU-Florida State -- 9.17 million (ABC)
10. Michigan-Penn State -- 9.16 million (Fox)
11. Alabama-Auburn -- 9.09 million (CBS)
12. LSU-Alabama -- 8.82 million (CBS)
13. Texas-Alabama -- 8.76 million (ESPN)
14. Nebraska-Colorado -- 8.73 million (Fox)
15. Tennessee-Alabama -- 8.01 million (CBS)
16. Oklahoma State-Texas, Big 12 Championship -- 7.89 million (ABC)
17. Oklahoma-Texas -- 7.87 million (ABC)
18. Colorado-TCU -- 7.26 million (Fox)
19. USC-Colorado -- 7.24 million (Fox)
20. Alabama-Texas A&M -- 7.23 million (CBS)
21. Oregon-Washington -- 7.04 million (ABC)
22. Louisville-Florida State, ACC Championship -- 7.03 million (ABC)
23. Missouri-Georgia -- 7 million (CBS)
24. Florida State-Clemson -- 6.71 million (ABC)
25. USC-Notre Dame -- 6.43 million (NBC)
26. Georgia-Auburn -- 6.40 million (CBS)
27. Georgia-Florida -- 5.95 million (CBS)
28. Washington State-Washington -- 5.85 million (Fox)
29. Georgia-Tennessee -- 5.73 million (CBS)
30. Michigan-Maryland -- 5.43 million (Fox)
31. South Carolina-Georgia -- 5.42 million (CBS)
32. Georgia-Georgia Tech -- 5.33 million (ABC)
33. Notre Dame-Duke -- 5.32 million (ABC)
34. Tennessee-Florida -- 5.31 million (ESPN)
35. Utah-Washington -- 5.17 million (Fox)
36. Notre Dame-Louisville -- 5.12 million (ABC)
37. Florida State-Florida -- 5.07 million (ESPN)
38. Ohio State-Wisconsin -- 4.87 million (NBC)
39. Alabama-South Florida -- 4.84 million (ABC)
40. Ole Miss-Georgia -- 4.83 million (ESPN)
41. Washington-Oregon State -- 4.73 million (ABC)
42. Colorado-UCLA -- 4.66 million (ABC)
43. Ohio State-Indiana -- 4.65 million (Fox)
44. Ole Miss-Alabama -- 4.61 million (CBS)
45. Maryland-Ohio State -- 4.51 million (Fox)
46. Michigan-Nebraska -- 4.48 million (Fox)
47. Washington-USC -- 4.45 million (ABC)
48. Clemson-Duke -- 4.39 million (ESPN)
48. Iowa-Nebraska -- 4.39 million (CBS)
50. Texas A&M-Tennessee -- 4.38 million (CBS)
I don't know. Obviously some amount fans, like yourself, would watch less. But is it a big enough % that the TV execs would care? Do they think they could make up that difference, and then some, over time by appealing to new fans?
The NFL only has 32 teams. Their fandom and ratings in the U.S. is not based on just fans in those 32 cities. They draw fans from all over the country that 'adopt' teams to root for that are not based on the city they live in.
College football has way less fans than the NFL. However, a TV exec could look at that as a growth opportunity: There are millions of NFL football fans that aren't college football fans - let's get even a fraction of them to watch college football. And they don't need 70 brands to do that. As noted, the NFL only has 32 brands. Get the Top 48 brands into two 24-team leagues (SEC and Big Ten) and then market the heck out of it. There is probably room to market better if focused on just these two leagues than marketing a bunch of leagues consisting of 128 FBS teams. The current product is diluted.
The only hope for schools like Pitt is that the Big Ten and SEC need broken up or reconfigured to shed some dead weight. Schools like Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. could eventually be dumped like Wash St and Oregon St just were. However, if you replace Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers with FSU/Clemson/Notre Dame...there still isn't room for Pitt. They would first have to cut deeper like Miss St, Minnesota, maybe Northwestern or Purdue, then we'd still have to beat out UNC, UVA, Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, and several Big 12 teams.
So even at 48 teams, Pitt isn't getting in. 70 teams definitely should be what Pitt fans root for, but I don't think the TV execs need 70 to make big money. The hope for 70-80 teams is that the TV execs value having more inventory. While Pitt-Syracuse is not going to make the Top 50 watched games list, it can still draw more eyeballs than reruns of Designing Women on Lifetime. Look at how even the crappiest of Bowl games do great ratings compared to what else is on at the same time (vs comparing the ratings to other football games). Football games get ratings.
Also, the TV networks don't want it or we would already have it.LMAO. The only issue with a 70 team super league is that the Top 20 teams don't want it.
Also, the TV networks don't want it or we would already have it.
But for all of these games, the mega-conference shutouts (e.g., Pitt, UVA, Oregon State, Stanford) are still in the same league as the mega-conference participants. So you can't use this data to just assume "oh people will still watch college football, because they're doing it now."That's a theory, that the ratings will go down if it's just the SEC and Big Ten, but the evidence to date does not support that theory. I pasted below the Top 50 college football games last year, in terms of TV ratings. 43 of the 50 most watched games (86%) involved at least one team from the SEC or Big Ten (2024 conference alignment) and most involved 2 teams from those conferences.
I bolded the 7 games that did not involve Big Ten or SEC. All seven of those games included Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson, or Colorado. If the Super League were to just be Big Ten and SEC, they' likely add a few more teams each and Notre Dame, Florida St, Clemson would 100% be invited. Colorado may or may not be invited, but we know they were only up in the TV ratings because of Coach Prime and he ain't staying there long. So with just a little more expansion the Big Ten and SEC would include every brand that people tune in to see in volume.
1. Ohio State-Michigan -- 19.07 million (Fox)
2. Georgia-Alabama, SEC Championship -- 17.52 million (CBS)
3. Colorado-Oregon -- 10.03 million (ABC)
4. Michigan-Iowa, Big Ten Championship -- 10.02 million (Fox)
5. Ohio State-Notre Dame -- 9.98 million (NBC)
6. Penn State-Ohio State -- 9.96 million (Fox)
7. Colorado State-Colorado -- 9.3 million (ESPN)
8. Oregon-Washington, Pac-12 Championship -- 9.25 million (ABC)
9. LSU-Florida State -- 9.17 million (ABC)
10. Michigan-Penn State -- 9.16 million (Fox)
11. Alabama-Auburn -- 9.09 million (CBS)
12. LSU-Alabama -- 8.82 million (CBS)
13. Texas-Alabama -- 8.76 million (ESPN)
14. Nebraska-Colorado -- 8.73 million (Fox)
15. Tennessee-Alabama -- 8.01 million (CBS)
16. Oklahoma State-Texas, Big 12 Championship -- 7.89 million (ABC)
17. Oklahoma-Texas -- 7.87 million (ABC)
18. Colorado-TCU -- 7.26 million (Fox)
19. USC-Colorado -- 7.24 million (Fox)
20. Alabama-Texas A&M -- 7.23 million (CBS)
21. Oregon-Washington -- 7.04 million (ABC)
22. Louisville-Florida State, ACC Championship -- 7.03 million (ABC)
23. Missouri-Georgia -- 7 million (CBS)
24. Florida State-Clemson -- 6.71 million (ABC)
25. USC-Notre Dame -- 6.43 million (NBC)
26. Georgia-Auburn -- 6.40 million (CBS)
27. Georgia-Florida -- 5.95 million (CBS)
28. Washington State-Washington -- 5.85 million (Fox)
29. Georgia-Tennessee -- 5.73 million (CBS)
30. Michigan-Maryland -- 5.43 million (Fox)
31. South Carolina-Georgia -- 5.42 million (CBS)
32. Georgia-Georgia Tech -- 5.33 million (ABC)
33. Notre Dame-Duke -- 5.32 million (ABC)
34. Tennessee-Florida -- 5.31 million (ESPN)
35. Utah-Washington -- 5.17 million (Fox)
36. Notre Dame-Louisville -- 5.12 million (ABC)
37. Florida State-Florida -- 5.07 million (ESPN)
38. Ohio State-Wisconsin -- 4.87 million (NBC)
39. Alabama-South Florida -- 4.84 million (ABC)
40. Ole Miss-Georgia -- 4.83 million (ESPN)
41. Washington-Oregon State -- 4.73 million (ABC)
42. Colorado-UCLA -- 4.66 million (ABC)
43. Ohio State-Indiana -- 4.65 million (Fox)
44. Ole Miss-Alabama -- 4.61 million (CBS)
45. Maryland-Ohio State -- 4.51 million (Fox)
46. Michigan-Nebraska -- 4.48 million (Fox)
47. Washington-USC -- 4.45 million (ABC)
48. Clemson-Duke -- 4.39 million (ESPN)
48. Iowa-Nebraska -- 4.39 million (CBS)
50. Texas A&M-Tennessee -- 4.38 million (CBS)
I think it's an awful gamble to trade away current college football fans for speculative from-the NFL-to-college fans.I don't know. Obviously some amount fans, like yourself, would watch less. But is it a big enough % that the TV execs would care? Do they think they could make up that difference, and then some, over time by appealing to new fans?
The NFL only has 32 teams. Their fandom and ratings in the U.S. is not based on just fans in those 32 cities. They draw fans from all over the country that 'adopt' teams to root for that are not based on the city they live in.
College football has way less fans than the NFL. However, a TV exec could look at that as a growth opportunity: There are millions of NFL football fans that aren't college football fans - let's get even a fraction of them to watch college football. And they don't need 70 brands to do that. As noted, the NFL only has 32 brands. Get the Top 48 brands into two 24-team leagues (SEC and Big Ten) and then market the heck out of it. There is probably room to market better if focused on just these two leagues than marketing a bunch of leagues consisting of 128 FBS teams. The current product is diluted.
The only hope for schools like Pitt is that the Big Ten and SEC need broken up or reconfigured to shed some dead weight. Schools like Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers, etc. could eventually be dumped like Wash St and Oregon St just were. However, if you replace Vandy, Indiana, Rutgers with FSU/Clemson/Notre Dame...there still isn't room for Pitt. They would first have to cut deeper like Miss St, Minnesota, maybe Northwestern or Purdue, then we'd still have to beat out UNC, UVA, Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, and several Big 12 teams.
So even at 48 teams, Pitt isn't getting in. 70 teams definitely should be what Pitt fans root for, but I don't think the TV execs need 70 to make big money. The hope for 70-80 teams is that the TV execs value having more inventory. While Pitt-Syracuse is not going to make the Top 50 watched games list, it can still draw more eyeballs than reruns of Designing Women on Lifetime. Look at how even the crappiest of Bowl games do great ratings compared to what else is on at the same time (vs comparing the ratings to other football games). Football games get ratings.
But for all of these games, the mega-conference shutouts (e.g., Pitt, UVA, Oregon State, Stanford) are still in the same league as the mega-conference participants. So you can't use this data to just assume "oh people will still watch college football, because they're doing it now."
The question is whether fans of the former teams will watch league games for a completely different league. I think that's an open question. You can speculate about it but there's very little data to go by. You'd have to look at things like the percentage of Clarion and IUP football fans who also watch Ohio State-Michigan games.