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I thought that is what I was indicating
Cup winners? Contributors? Not everyone can be a star.Then why did you make up a list that had five guys on it, exactly one of whom was a good hockey player?
But we got Bob Dillabough instead. Why did they bring this guy back?
Cup winners? Contributors? Not everyone can be a star.
The three on one short handed was executed very poorly.Letang on the ice for all five goals against on Friday night...but he’s great—I know. Penguins need to dump him for whatever they can get for him. Maybe there is another GM dumber than JR.
Everyone of those guys on that list were solid hockey players who were good in their roles and knew how to play the game. I am not sure what you are getting at. Guys like these and Hainsey and Bonino and Kunitz are the types we are missing. Every team could use more skill,but the grit and smart play that these players provided was vital.A better idea would be to want more of guys who could actually play.
Maybe package him with Malkin who has been worthlessLetang on the ice for all five goals against on Friday night...but he’s great—I know. Penguins need to dump him for whatever they can get for him. Maybe there is another GM dumber than JR.
That’s what tanev , McCann, janikowski, and Rodrigues areEveryone of those guys on that list were solid hockey players who were good in their roles and knew how to play the game. I am not sure what you are getting at. Guys like these and Hainsey and Bonino and Kunitz are the types we are missing. Every team could use more skill,but the grit and smart play that these players provided was vital.
Tanev is a good hockey player and Janikowski has shown decently so far. McCann and Rodrigues have been disappointing to me dating back to last season. They are role players though, and are clearly not the main problem with this team.That’s what tanev , McCann, janikowski, and Rodrigues are
Why? Because he wanted to pull 5 obscure Penguins from the early-mid 70's to show how long he has been a fan and his opinion means more than others. It was a bad analogy.Then why did you make up a list that had five guys on it, exactly one of whom was a good hockey player?
Guys like these and Hainsey and Bonino and Kunitz are the types we are missing.
Very fair assessment.This isn’t complicated
Jake isn’t playing like Jake
Rodrigues is a 4th line player - not a top liner
Malkin is just garbage right now so he’s single handly destroying the second line
3rd line has been really good
And the defense just isn’t good
This who all puck moving concept sucks
They need 1 puck mover and 1 body mover per pairing
I mean the flyers are really good -
They are fast , skilled , and physical -
We aren’t
Tanev is a good hockey player and Janikowski has shown decently so far. McCann and Rodrigues have been disappointing to me dating back to last season. They are role players though, and are clearly not the main problem with this team.
I advocated a Letang trade TWO years ago. They could have gotten some nice assets for him then. His value continues to go down.Maybe package him with Malkin who has been worthless
He needs demoted to the 4th line - he’s single handily killing the 2nd line
Teams are like puzzles, you need different parts
I believe your quote was that several on that list were "well below average players". That is just not true. I don't know if you were just trying to smear Gary or if you really believe that. They were not great players. Just solid in their roles and smart. I will agree that my list of three included better and perhaps more important players than Gary's list. That said, to completely devalue the contributions of the players on his list by calling them well below average is disingenuous.Guys like Hainsey, Bonino and Kunitz were better hockey players, in some cases much better hockey players, than all but one of the guys on his list.
I believe your quote was that several on that list were "well below average players". That is just not true.
No. But I do believe that Errey, Bourque and Loney also brought much to the lockerrom and were really good leaders.Sure it is. I mean come on, you think that Troy Loney was some sort of talented player that couldn't have been replaced in a heartbeat had the need arose?
To use the baseball term, those guys were "replacement level". Meaning that there were guys playing in the minors who were just as good as they were. If you were ranking the guys on the team in order of talent and importance they would have ranked near the bottom of the list every year they were on the team. Which means, kind of by definition, well below average.
Nor does he give young guys a shot (for example, why is Rodrigues on Sid's top line, why not give Poulin a look for a game if Kapanen can't play yet or why not put Lafferty up just to see)
No. But I do believe that Errey, Bourque and Loney also brought much to the lockerrom and were really good leaders.
That said, how do we fix Letang and Malkin.
How many cups did Lemieux win?They may very well have been, but was that something that those teams even needed from those guys? I mean in 1990, was it the leadership from someone like Phil Borque that was making the difference, or was it Lemieux and Stevens and Trottier and Coffey and Murphy and guys like that who were the difference makers?
They may not have been difference makers, but all three of those guys killed penalties. All three were tough and were not afraid to throw their bodies around.They may very well have been, but was that something that those teams even needed from those guys? I mean in 1990, was it the leadership from someone like Phil Borque that was making the difference, or was it Lemieux and Stevens and Trottier and Coffey and Murphy and guys like that who were the difference makers?
You are confusing sports. It is hard, very hard to win a cup. It is long, physically draining journey.
You have to win exactly the same number of games to win a Stanley Cup as you do the NBA championship. It is, by definition, no tougher to win in hockey than it is in basketball. Someone wins every single year.
The difference is that having the best player is a far bigger advantage in basketball than it is in hockey. As anyone who understand the two sports knows, because it is so obviously true.
I mean seriously, do you not understand why the team with the best basketball player is more likely to win a game or a championship than the team with the best hockey player is?
You are not smart and even less smart to keep defending your stupid statements. Those players were all above average NHLers and were import to having a winning team.You have to win exactly the same number of games to win a Stanley Cup as you do the NBA championship. It is, by definition, no tougher to win in hockey than it is in basketball. Someone wins every single year.
The difference is that having the best player is a far bigger advantage in basketball than it is in hockey. As anyone who understand the two sports knows, because it is so obviously true.
I mean seriously, do you not understand why the team with the best basketball player is more likely to win a game or a championship than the team with the best hockey player is?
Those players were all above average NHLers
Why do you keep going back to Troy Loney? He wasn’t the only one you said is below average.If you watched those guys play all those years and you came away thinking that Troy Loney was an above average NHL player then one thing is clear. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Why do you keep going back to Troy Loney? He wasn’t the only one you said is below average.
But for reference, Troy Loney played more than 600 NHL games. That is quite a bit more than the average. Stop posting nonsense to cover for your original nonsense. It’s just a lot of nonsense.
Yes, NHL teams keep below average players around for more than 600 games.Wait, so the fact that someone played 600 games means that he was an above average player when he played?
Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.
And if it will make you feel better, I can pick on Phil Borque. Because he was a below average NHL player too.
Yes, NHL teams keep below average players around for more than 600 games.
It doesn’t make me feel better or not better, but it does make me think that it isn’t only that you write stupid things. Seems you are genuinely a stupid person.
Phil bourque served only one role in the team -Wait, so the fact that someone played 600 games means that he was an above average player when he played?
Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.
And if it will make you feel better, I can pick on Phil Borque. Because he was a below average NHL player too.