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#1 PA recruit Quinton Martin to Pitt?
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Last line is classic when you're talking about the child rape lovers and perverts at PissU.
I agree that the current "rules" are a joke. Actually, I would amend that statement by saying that the enforcement of current rules is a joke. Unfortunately, the big money schools have absolutely no interest in reigning this in. NIL helps the big dogs remain big dogs. They are perfectly happy to let big money donors pony up millions for some 5 star kid to matriculate to their school.
I agree that wholesale changes are needed in order to level the playing field but I'm not optimistic that we will actually see any meaningful changes that disrupt the current pecking order.
Cruzer
Never seen him play in person, but from his highlights he does look a lot like Dorin Dickerson. Big, long striding swiss army knife on offense.
I'm not seeing DB either. Maybe a power RB with some speed once he gets into the open, but he's not a shifty guy. HB/TE is probably the best spot to put him. Maybe LB, but who knows??? Same quandary as Dorin.
Maybe you sell what Cig was able to do with Dorin.
I'm not seeing DB either. Maybe a power RB with some speed once he gets into the open, but he's not a shifty guy. HB/TE is probably the best spot to put him. Maybe LB, but who knows??? Same quandary as Dorin.
Maybe you sell what Cig was able to do with Dorin.
Yep. I have been saying this for the past year. Great athlete. Great specimen. Dominates HS level. But really a tweener in almost any position. A Dorin like TE or an OLB is where I always thought he projected.
If he's in the portal in a couple of years, that means he hasn't been a success. I'm not sure why we want a retread like that.
you dont drop a bag of nil money to a recruit who could be an H back.
How is it going to become an “issue” though?
The associates under me don’t make as much as I do. If they don’t like that, they can go someplace else that will pay them the same.
They don’t go anywhere else though. Why? Because nobody is going to pay them that amount. So it doesn’t really become an “issue,” because a breaking point is never reached, because it can’t be reached.
Why won’t that be the case within the college football world? If all you’re getting is a “toaster oven” as the one poster pointed out, that’s probably your value. There’s not much you can do about it, because another team isn’t going to turn around and give you what the 5* FR is getting.
There’s really only a breaking point if it somehow results in some mass exodus from teams. But there’s really no reason why that would happen, because there’s nowhere for you to go.
This isn’t necessarily true.
The big dogs were always going to be big dogs.
But it’s not a coincidence that Nick Saban was one of the most vocal critics of NIL a few years ago. And the schools he specifically called out as representing everything wrong with NIL weren’t “big dogs” (JSU/Prime, Texas A&M, Miami).
The big dogs actually fear NIL (to the extent they can truly fear anything) because it can allow more teams into the club.
College is not a workplace. Playing for your school is not employment. These athlete are not adults by any measure other than arbitrary legal fiction.
The issue that Cruze is talking about is resentment and morale among a bunch of 18-22 year old student-athletes. When Golden Boy freshman QB gets a million dollar NIL deal and never plays a minute, but lives like a rap star, while 5th year senior starting left tackle is busting his ass for meal money or close to it, what do you think that does to a locker room, morale, etc? Or when the girl on the end of the bench on her basketball team that never plays is getting $1 million a year because she looks great in a swimsuit, while the starting point guard has to take a Greyhound bus to get home for Thanksgiving, is that good for team unity?
One of the biggest issues I have with the current state of college as an institution --not limited to sports--is that, relatively recently, a caste system has been created in a setting that has always been intended to be as egalitarian as possible. Now kids from wealthier families can live in newer luxurious dorms while kids who are there on student aid live in the old places that all of them used to live in together for 150 years before. Everyone knows the rich kids are in Dorm A while the poor kids are in Dorm B. This NIL bullshit is just one more major step in that same wrong direction. That is not the way it's supposed to be. People have the rest of their lives after they get their education to live in that world.
NIL as it presently exists is a travesty by any reasonable measure.
So what?
Teenagers resent not being able to take the head cheerleader to prom. Being jealous of somebody else, or wanting more than what you got/something closer to what they got, is just life.
But how does it reach a breaking point?
If you are a JAG WR on Pitt, and Pitt targets a high 4* WR out of high school with a fat NIL deal and lands him, that might piss you off. But you’re a JAG.
What are you going to do about it? Purposely drop a pass in practice? Throw a tantrum in the locker room to try to poison the team culture? You’re a JAG. There’s your walking papers.
How do players that cannot command what someone else is getting, not getting that amount, ever get us to the point where change has to happen?
so because the left tackle is jealous, the freshman qb shouldnt take market value money for his services? Sounds like any issue is just jealousy and that's on the player, not the team chemistry..
and that left tackle is able to go get him an NIL deal too.
Right.
This isn’t a situation where some government regulation or licensing scheme has cut the left tackle out of it.
Or some rich family greased the hands of somebody in charge and so the left tackle was passed over.
The left tackle has every chance and opportunity to make a lot of money in NIL. He just can’t, because he’s not good enough to command that amount of money. From anybody. So he’s never going to get it.
There’s nothing he’s going to be able to do about that. And no change is coming to rectify this “wrong.”
The big boys are giving everyone something. Apparently every scholarship kid out east is getting at least $50k.
We'll see how it plays out. It's not just one-way jealousy, it's the way people treat other people, especially among a bunch of college aged children.
Team morale, chemistry and unity are underappreciated critical factors to team success. Anyone who's ever played a team sport at a high school or greater level can testify to that. It's a delicate balance under any circumstances. Creating 18 year old millionaires in amatuer athletics isn't likely to help.
So we have no evidence so far that it’s bringing down locker rooms, and is going to cause the entire current college football landscape to collapse.
But the JAG revolution still might happen in the future?
There’s a lot of wishcasting and fantasy booking on this board when it comes to NIL. Somebody else had a thread a few weeks ago about NIL collapsing because lesser players will stop going to Bama and this will hollow out teams, etc.
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Addison took a bag and skipped town and his former teammates didn’t begrudge him at all. Maybe it motivated them to work for their own and maybe it got Pitt to oblige. But it didn’t seem to cause any resentment towards him.
The reality is if the guy works hard and helps them win, they probably don’t care what he’s paid. If he is an asshole about it, then sure maybe that causes problems, but asshole teammates always existed before NIL and if they produced they were tolerated, if not, well… bye.
The reality is if the guy works hard and helps them win, they probably don’t care what he’s paid. If he is an asshole about it, then sure maybe that causes problems, but asshole teammates always existed before NIL and if they produced they were tolerated, if not, well… bye.
Boy and some are trying to have me believe that today's colleges and universities were these socialist havens trying to brainwash the youth with Marxist principles.
I think that the players understand that there is a caste system in place. The 3-star guys know that they got treated differently during the recruiting process than the 4-star guys, who got treated differently than the 5-star guys. In theory, if a guy out-performs, then there should be more opportunities to cash in on their name value and recognition. If all of that plays out, then I think team chemistry will take care of itself.
Likewise, it strikes me as unlikely that a player who is getting big $$$ is going to be sitting on the bench if they turn out to suck. They aren't going to be there, because they will get run off one way or another. Coaches/boosters aren't wasting money on a noncontributor.
Likewise, it strikes me as unlikely that a player who is getting big $$$ is going to be sitting on the bench if they turn out to suck. They aren't going to be there, because they will get run off one way or another. Coaches/boosters aren't wasting money on a noncontributor.
Based on what we have seen, isn't WVU the school most likely to go "all-in NIL" on Martin? Are they not in the running for him at all?
They aren't a big enough stage for him, evidently. I'm pretty sure WVU has never stolen a recruit from Ohio State in recent memory.
Yeah there are some right wing dipshits out there that would have you believe that kind of utter nonsense.
Public universities are big ass businesses. Just look at the endowments and construction cranes on any given campus if you need some evidence of that. They lost their way when they became de facto for-profits looking to make money instead of fulfilling their statutory obligations to educate their students. Similar to what’s happened with hospitals and healthcare systems.
Specific players have been getting payola for playing for as long as college football has existed, and the other ditch-digger players have always known it. Just because Pay For Play is out in the open now and legalized, won’t make the other players any more or less jealous of it. To date it hasn’t prevented the lesser players from playing hard for the stars.
College Sports is dumb.
The NIL model isn't a new thing, the government just allowed everyone to join the party.
Until a cap or restriction is in place across the board...College Sports is dumb!!!!
The NIL model isn't a new thing, the government just allowed everyone to join the party.
Until a cap or restriction is in place across the board...College Sports is dumb!!!!
Yeah, the thing the big dogs fear the most is the little dogs, or, well, at least the medium dogs, doing the exact same stuff the big dogs have been doing for years. Saban doesn't hate NIL because he doesn't want Alabama paying players, Saban hates NIL because he doesn't want Alabama's competition paying players like Alabama always has.
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