What happened to Florida State? Texas? If it was really "plug and play", then the blue bloods could win with just about anyone in charge.
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What happened to Florida State? Texas? If it was really "plug and play", then the blue bloods could win with just about anyone in charge.
Simple, you have no idea what you're talking about either.
Maybe, but apparently that can be explained by nothing I said making sense.
That doesn’t explain the gibberish you wrote and actually went back and quoted.
I never said VT was a top 10 program. Nothing you quoted says that, which is actually funny that you want back and found it like you had discovered the great evidence. It’s cute.
Your logic is: Derrr, if you project a team to be in the top 10 based on returning starters and talent in a season, derrr you must be saying they are a top 10 program or a *program* to be feared.
But that of course is not true. I’ve spent many time on this board trashing the myth of the Wisconsin *program*. But I’d have them in the Top 10 plenty of times. The two aren’t contradictory.
We watched Bama go in the tank. Michigan? Ohio State has even struggled. Kind of like saying it doesn't matter who is in charge of GE. But it does.
By “top 20 class” do you mean ranked 1-20 or somewhere in the 20’s? If it’s the former that’s a wildly aggressive position.
20's feels wildly aggressive given its start. Somewhere in the 30's would be a nice recovery.
I think you have to admit it is kind of relative though. Their "in the tank" might be a 9-3. We have TRULY seen the depths of the tank. And frankly we're continuously on the precipice of it.
Ask a Bama fan about how things went under Mike Shula or Mike DuBose.
Programs provide you ceilings and floors and allow for greater or lesser margins of error.
There are no limits to how good a program like Bama can be, and probably a floor to how bad they can be even with a bad hire.
Bama also doesn’t need to make the greatest hire in the world to compete for national championships.
Whereas a place like Purdue needs to hit the hire out of the park to oven had a chance at 8-4 type seasons.
You type a lot, and say nothing. I said team, not program. Now you've fixated on parsing the words team and program. Have at it.
The point is you jocked Fuente until he shit the bed. Now, you knew he couldn't get it done. Summary, you're full of sh!t.
My point at GT and UNC were about the programs, which is why your VT point was so dumb. It’s not “parsing” words when it was the point I was making.
I still think VT is going to be good this season. I’ll go so far as to say I have them in the Top 15 because of how much they return and just how horrible their schedule is. And I still don’t think VT is a threat to become an upper tier program. Nothing is contradictory about that.
But once again, I do love that you remembered my comments about VT, when I have absolutely no idea who you are and can’t remember a single thing you’ve ever said on any subject. And not only did you remember it, but you found a way to force it into a point where it doesn’t fit. A conversation about programs, you needed to bring up that one conversation we had about a particular team in a given season.
It’s cute. You’re a cutie. I’ll remember you for now on, I promise. It’s the least I can do for my biggest fan.
Then Charlie Strong or Mack Brown. Even Brady Hoke. Clemson hadn't won 10 games since 1990 until Dabo showed up. Now Dabo has done it 8 times in a row. The HC matters.
I didn't suggest it didn't totally matter. There would be some difference, as i said. But the biggest reason Bama, Clemson, others that had fallen back slightly then came roaring back wouldn't be totally the head coach. The boosters and alumni and administration (the latter wth renewed pressure from the former) got right in the head and refocused on winning.
What that means is that pretty much any competent coach can keep things running at relatively high level where the system is set up for it.
Paul Chryst is a good example of that. He was nothing special here at all, quite the opposite actually. Yet he's maintained things nicely once at a school with more commitment to success (albeit not a level like Bama, etc).
I firmly believe Narduzzi could go into Bama or Clemson and keep things humming near the same level because of that. Maybe not immediate NC but not a collapse like, say, Pitt with Foge, where there was really no commitment to succeed from top to bottom.
Whereas in some glorious fantasy, if Dabo (or Urban etc) came in here, likely there would be a brief buzz, and temporary uptick in recruiting interest (not necessarily actual commits). But if all else was the same, the water would eventually regain its former level. And the evidence of that can be found no further away than our hoops program and coach... because it's exactly what happened/ happening with Capel and recruiting now.
You may never agree, and that's fine. Different strokes...
Paul Chryst wasn't in Pittsburgh long enough to get a cup of coffee and I don't think anyone could consider his presence as more than on the job training at Pitt.
If you're going to use Chryst as an example for football, why not use Stallings for your hoops example? Do you really think things are that static?
I am cute. Thank you. I hope you regain your memory faculty.
Just my opinion, from close observation, since he was here and it was recent. Chryst at Pitt: undynamic, minimally effective HC. At Wisky, magically a competent winning coach.
Stallings was a Barnes scam.
Just my opinion, from close observation, since he was here and it was recent. Chryst at Pitt: undynamic, minimally effective HC. At Wisky, magically, a competent winning coach.
Stallings was a Barnes scam, not a legit coach. He never even tried.
Clemson was basically Pitt before Dabo got there. College football is about the head coach.
Chryst unquestionably entered a better situation at UW than Narduzzi did at Pitt.
Chryst's B1G record is 27-8.
Narduzzi's ACC record is 20-12 (following Chryst's 10-13 in conference at Pitt).
The "magic" are talking about is UW not playing any P5 teams OOC with Chryst while playing in the B1GWest.
Chryst's B1G record is 27-8.
Narduzzi's ACC record is 20-12 (following Chryst's 10-13 in conference at Pitt).
The "magic" are talking about is UW not playing any P5 teams OOC with Chryst while playing in the B1GWest.
Not really. It is stale and someone needs to take out the trash.
PSU from 2016?
Actually, we should have won that game by 20-plus, but our HC's conservatism nearly cost us what should have been an easy win.
It's not an exaggeration to state that the Pitt offense the past 2 seasons has been among the worst in D1--97th out of 129 each of the last 2 years. That was 2 major steps backward from the state of the program at the end of the 2016 season.
Agreed
We were a couple of self-inflicted wounds from really taking them to the woodshed that year.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that completely. The 2016 defense couldn't get off the field. The only way Pitt beat anyone was by just scoring and scoring.
Was it conservatism or execution? Tough to execute for 60 minutes when the other team has coaches and talent. Pitt wasn't a 20-plus points better team than PSU in 2016.
You’re right, but that’s what we were doing until we shut down the O and tried to play the clock game. Lost the UNC game the same way that year.
Narduzzi has not shown himself to be the smartest HC out there.
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You still have to win those OOC no matter who they are against to be an elite team. Just because we schedule little sisters of the poor and beat Delaware and William and Mary will not make us a good team. We may have a good record but will get curbed stomped in a bowl game that matters
How many kids are you planning to take this year?
Looking at Pitt's offers list Kudos to Pat for chasing a bunch of top tier talent. He'll have to be patient with that until the end of summer when the summer commit blitz is over. At that point, I think he'll know who he has a legit shot at getting. Seems like he's not stock piling the mediocre kids yet, which is good. I'd suspect the bulk of the class to come in the fall.
This is from an outsiders perspective though, so I'm sure you guys know much more about it so maybe I'm wrong.
Looking at Pitt's offers list Kudos to Pat for chasing a bunch of top tier talent. He'll have to be patient with that until the end of summer when the summer commit blitz is over. At that point, I think he'll know who he has a legit shot at getting. Seems like he's not stock piling the mediocre kids yet, which is good. I'd suspect the bulk of the class to come in the fall.
This is from an outsiders perspective though, so I'm sure you guys know much more about it so maybe I'm wrong.
They finished the season in the top 5. As the game went on things probably leveled out. That game was what it should have been.
