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With Justin Champagnie turning pro, Pitt is now textbook case for decline and fall of elite basketball school. Program is in tatters. This plummet to the bottom could well be irreversible. Capel has lost credibility. Nowhere to turn. Who’d have believed it?
 
Smizik is always harsh. But in reality, the program is at or near the bottom of the ACC. The JC success story is nice, but that's about it. Even in this era of the portal, Capel has simply lost too many players and has had locker room issues to consider his work product as even marginally successful.
 
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With Justin Champagnie turning pro, Pitt is now textbook case for decline and fall of elite basketball school. Program is in tatters. This plummet to the bottom could well be irreversible. Capel has lost credibility. Nowhere to turn. Who’d have believed it?
Hey Tiger Paul, were you sick? Rumors had it you passed away? Glad to see you back
 
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Smizik is always harsh. But in reality, the program is at or near the bottom of the ACC. The JC success story is nice, but that's about it. Even in this era of the portal, Capel has simply lost too many players and has had locker room issues to consider his work product as even marginally successful.
That is a fair assessment. However, problems started well before Capel. It was starting to flounder as soon as we joined the ACC. Dixon wanted out. Stallings was a failed hire and Capel has recruited the wrong players, COVID, and the Transfer Portal hasn’t helped. Not to mention rampant cheating…

Smizik is being a drama queen. An alarmist if you will…This is something that has been moving in this direction for awhile. It’s going to take patience if Heather wants to do it “the right way”
 
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Smizik is always harsh. But in reality, the program is at or near the bottom of the ACC. The JC success story is nice, but that's about it. Even in this era of the portal, Capel has simply lost too many players and has had locker room issues to consider his work product as even marginally successful.
Is that you, Smize?
 
That is a fair assessment. However, problems started well before Capel. It was starting to flounder as soon as we joined the ACC. Dixon wanted out. Stallings was a failed hire and Capel has recruited the wrong players, COVID, and the Transfer Portal hasn’t helped. Not to mention rampant cheating…

Smizik is being a drama queen. An alarmist if you will…This is something that has been moving in this direction for awhile. It’s going to take patience if Heather wants to do it “the right way”
Stop with the lie about Dixon wanting out.
 
Stop with the lie about Dixon wanting out.
Well all right then! I lied!!!

He was “encouraged” to leave, forced out, kicked to the curb, sh*t canned, given the boot,

ya all satisfied now!?!

I didn’t feel it necessary to remind people of another tragic and dumb mistake made by Scott Barnes and his pack of search firm jackals… But I guess we should be honest no matter how ugly the truth is….SHEESH!
 
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Well all right then! I lied!!!

He was “encouraged” to leave, forced out, kicked to the curb, sh*t canned, given the boot,

ya all satisfied now!?!

I didn’t feel it necessary to remind people of another tragic and dumb mistake made by Scott Barnes and his pack of search firm jackals… But I guess we should be honest no matter how ugly the truth is….SHEESH!
Gee, I'm so glad we agree.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but Pitt was never an elite basketball school. It has been about 10 years since Pitt was last ranked in the top 10 (pre-Stallings). Pitt has had about 3.5 seasons worth of being ranked in the top 10 over the last 20 years and a whole 3 weeks being ranked number 1 during the last 20 years. Pitt had a very competitive program for a few seasons and a solidly competitive (top 25) program for another 8-ish years. Expectations of Capel turning Pitt into an elite national powerhouse when it was mostly a façade outside of a few good years is setting up the fanbase for disappointment. Elite programs make more than one elite 8 and are able to beat higher ranked seeds in the tourney. He at least has the program above the Stallings disaster and with one or two pieces can hopefully return to top 25-30 status. The new transfer rule in the game changes everything and I would expect Dixon and Stallings to have had similar challenges along the way with it.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but Pitt was never an elite basketball school. It has been about 10 years since Pitt was last ranked in the top 10 (pre-Stallings). Pitt has had about 3.5 seasons worth of being ranked in the top 10 over the last 20 years and a whole 3 weeks being ranked number 1 during the last 20 years. Pitt had a very competitive program for a few seasons and a solidly competitive (top 25) program for another 8-ish years. Expectations of Capel turning Pitt into an elite national powerhouse when it was mostly a façade outside of a few good years is setting up the fanbase for disappointment. Elite programs make more than one elite 8 and are able to beat higher ranked seeds in the tourney. He at least has the program above the Stallings disaster and with one or two pieces can hopefully return to top 25-30 status. The new transfer rule in the game changes everything and I would expect Dixon and Stallings to have had similar challenges along the way with it.
Not sure anyone here is looking for elite. Competitive within the league and having a chance to make some noise in March would be perfectly acceptable. 15 total conference wins in 3 years with the program leaking oil from every gasket is well below that.
 
That is a fair assessment. However, problems started well before Capel. It was starting to flounder as soon as we joined the ACC. Dixon wanted out. Stallings was a failed hire and Capel has recruited the wrong players, COVID, and the Transfer Portal hasn’t helped. Not to mention rampant cheating…

Smizik is being a drama queen. An alarmist if you will…This is something that has been moving in this direction for awhile. It’s going to take patience if Heather wants to do it “the right way”


Every team dealt with Covid but agree with the rest.
 
Every team dealt with Covid but agree with the rest.
I don’t think anyone’s saying that Pitt was the only team to deal with Covid - but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that it affected every team a little bit differently, and just the nature of it meant that there was a good bit more variance in the results from this season: some programs had their coaches get covid in the offseason, some had their coaches or players get it in the middle of the season, some had nobody get it at all, some had long shutdowns, short shutdowns, or no shutdowns at all. Some, like us, got lucky enough to have its only game against the worst team in the league get cancelled.

It’s true that it was a factor for every program, for sure, but I think it also introduced a lot of variables that make evaluating and drawing long-term conclusions from this season more difficult than it would be in a “normal” year. And that goes for basketball and football.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but Pitt was never an elite basketball school. It has been about 10 years since Pitt was last ranked in the top 10 (pre-Stallings). Pitt has had about 3.5 seasons worth of being ranked in the top 10 over the last 20 years and a whole 3 weeks being ranked number 1 during the last 20 years. Pitt had a very competitive program for a few seasons and a solidly competitive (top 25) program for another 8-ish years. Expectations of Capel turning Pitt into an elite national powerhouse when it was mostly a façade outside of a few good years is setting up the fanbase for disappointment. Elite programs make more than one elite 8 and are able to beat higher ranked seeds in the tourney. He at least has the program above the Stallings disaster and with one or two pieces can hopefully return to top 25-30 status. The new transfer rule in the game changes everything and I would expect Dixon and Stallings to have had similar challenges along the way with it.

You speak the truth. We were not too different than what FSU has become the last five years. An elite 8, a few conference championships, and some very good rankings. We had some higher rankings at our peak of course. But if FSU were to start to declining a few years from now, would anyone say they were ever truly a top tier, elite basketball program?
 
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Truth be told, Capel’s recruiting here has been brutal. He’s honestly lost almost every single head to head. And worse, guys who have walked into brand new jobs like Arkansas. Alabama, etc have dominated him too

The only positive I see is that he just got one of his highest ranked players back, and it sounds like he really wants to be here. We had what the 30th ranked recruiting class last year ..and now they’re in tact. I have zero clue why he didn’t recruit this years class, that mystifies me and could be a firing offense by itself. I am encouraged to see what he can turn last years class into though ..especially if we grab some kind of 5 to give us 15 minutes or so
 
Second prize in the Bozo the Clown look alike contest doesn't really count.
But first place in the Groucho Marx look a like contest!
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A former co-worker of Smizik said that he takes passionate positions about things he doesn't care about.

Also, if you believe, like i do, that u can tell a lot from playing basketball with someone...i once played with Smiz and he shot way more than he should have (and didn't score) and he wouldn't pass. No fun to play with. Selfish and overinflated view of his own talents.
 
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A former co-worker of Smizik said that he takes passionate positions about things he doesn't care about.

Also, if you believe, like i do, that u can tell a lot from playing basketball with someone...i once played with Smiz and he shot way more than he should have (and didn't score) and he wouldn't pass. No fun to play with. Selfish and overinflated view of his talents.
Smizik is a has been. He was a has been ten years ago. Now he just an angry old man looking to lift his leg onto someone’s tree.
 
Unpopular opinion here, but Pitt was never an elite basketball school. It has been about 10 years since Pitt was last ranked in the top 10 (pre-Stallings). Pitt has had about 3.5 seasons worth of being ranked in the top 10 over the last 20 years and a whole 3 weeks being ranked number 1 during the last 20 years. Pitt had a very competitive program for a few seasons and a solidly competitive (top 25) program for another 8-ish years. Expectations of Capel turning Pitt into an elite national powerhouse when it was mostly a façade outside of a few good years is setting up the fanbase for disappointment. Elite programs make more than one elite 8 and are able to beat higher ranked seeds in the tourney. He at least has the program above the Stallings disaster and with one or two pieces can hopefully return to top 25-30 status. The new transfer rule in the game changes everything and I would expect Dixon and Stallings to have had similar challenges along the way with it.
This is a worthwhile quote because it shows how selective data can be exagerrated.

“very competitive for a few” and “solidly competitive for 8”?

This program had a top 5 record over a 10 year period for a sport that had over 300 teams.

Beat some cream puffs? Sure, but It also had a coach that had the best record in the history of one of the best conferences in history.

The tournament failures are well known - but let’s not bastardize our success
 
A former co-worker of Smizik said that he takes passionate positions about things he doesn't care about.

Also, if you believe, like i do, that u can tell a lot from playing basketball with someone...i once played with Smiz and he shot way more than he should have (and didn't score) and he wouldn't pass. No fun to play with. Selfish and overinflated view of his own talents.

Excellent insights!! LOL
 
Stop with the lie about Dixon wanting out.
This is what I have always conjured up in my own mind:
JD made it clear he wasn't in favor of the move to the ACC. It kinda of changed his recruiting "footprint" Then when it happened, and he continued to work his tail off recruiting and coaching, with less than his usual results, he had the feeling that "I knew this was gonna happen." Then he did everything he could to reverse the trend and came to the point that he said "I can't make it work, perhaps someone else can, so I will have to go and try it somewhere else, good luck to the next guy."

Perhaps you have inside information, where is my thinking wrong?
 
This is what I have always conjured up in my own mind:
JD made it clear he wasn't in favor of the move to the ACC. It kinda of changed his recruiting "footprint" Then when it happened, and he continued to work his tail off recruiting and coaching, with less than his usual results, he had the feeling that "I knew this was gonna happen." Then he did everything he could to reverse the trend and came to the point that he said "I can't make it work, perhaps someone else can, so I will have to go and try it somewhere else, good luck to the next guy."

Perhaps you have inside information, where is my thinking wrong?
He was adamant about staying in Pgh. His kids were born here. Apparently, the mess with SP, who insisted he re-hire slice (Tyrone Haughton!!!) and Barnes refusing to provide extra $$$ for new staff to replace Smoke & Barton, then pushing him out so his pal agent could deliver Stallings (While he was already scheming to head to OSU) , Dixon had enough. Barnes then WAIVED the millions in buyout that TCU didn't want to pay....screwing Pitt yet again. At the same time, Gallagher was extorted by a wealthy alum to get Dixon out. When your bosses don't want you....anyone with pride would leave.
 
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With Justin Champagnie turning pro, Pitt is now textbook case for decline and fall of elite basketball school. Program is in tatters. This plummet to the bottom could well be irreversible. Capel has lost credibility. Nowhere to turn. Who’d have believed it?
this statement from Smizik makes me MUCH more optimistic about Pitt hoops. the last time he wrote about the permanent decline of Pitt hoops was right before they made the elite 8 run and within a whisker of the Final 4.
 
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lets keep it going!



@BobSmizik



No Pitt-Duquesne basketball next season and once again Jeff Capel is the culprit. Playing the Dukes would give Pitt not just an almost certain win but a dose of much-needed good publicity for his struggling program. Truly hard to figure why Capel is afraid of Duquesne.
 
lets keep it going!

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No Pitt-Duquesne basketball next season and once again Jeff Capel is the culprit. Playing the Dukes would give Pitt not just an almost certain win but a dose of much-needed good publicity for his struggling program. Truly hard to figure why Capel is afraid of Duquesne.
Dropped a truth bomb.
 
Arguing that Capel is scared of Duquesne on the same day that Pitt announces that they’re playing West Virginia is certainly an argument!
 
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Arguing that Capel is scared of Duquesne on the same day that Pitt announces that they’re playing West Virginia is certainly an argument!
It's all about expectations, there is nothing to lose by playing WVU. If you lose its because they are a well coached team that has had their system in place for awhile, if you lose in a close game, you get accolades for competing at such a high level, if you happen to win, wow, you achieved something. The complete opposite is true with the Dukes, if you win, you are supposed to, if you win a close one, wow, pretty sad to beat Duquesne by only 4, if you lose, wow, to what depths has Pitt fallen!
 
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