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Didn't take the "eye test" very long to see how out of touch with
basketball talent reality that rating actually was.
Obviously I haven't seen many freshmen playing this season,
but IMO there can't possibly be very many other freshmen playing
at Johnson's level
basketball talent reality that rating actually was.
Obviously I haven't seen many freshmen playing this season,
but IMO there can't possibly be very many other freshmen playing
at Johnson's level
[QUOTE="recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 2512649, member: 2328"]It's not a science. It is not math.[/QUOTE]
Some guys slip through the cracks. His offer list is that of a 232nd ranked player, so it's not just the recruiting sites that missed on him. Definitely paints Capel in a good light, though. I'm sure he could have got someone with a higher ranking, but he knew what X had.
There are plenty of 2 star players in the NBA. Mistakes are made all the time. Some players develop late, some don't play against top competition, and some are just missed. Keep in mind that NFL scouts, and GMs, a group that is far above the guys who rate high school players, and who are looking at players playing at levels of competition that the NFL people are very familiar with, missed on Tom Brady, AB, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, and countless others who became household names.
Right, but that one is a lot easier to understand. Curry was an undersized guard without standout athleticism. Nobody could have predicted that all the time he spent laying pipe as a kid would give him the 3 point stroke of Zeus.
X's athleticism jumps off the tape immediately. He must have made some serious progress with his shooting because his mechanics look fine and he's hitting shots. In other words, it's not the fact that a guy fell through the cracks that's weird, it's the specific kind of player that fell which is hard to comprehend.
It just goes to show you rating aren't always correct . Look at Tom Brady and Antonio Brown both 6th round draft choices. I'd take a team of 6th round draft choices like
that !
Right, but I don't know anyone who believes that the rankings are gospel. It's just that there's a very strong correlation between recruiting well according to the rankings and having success on the court. There will always be exceptions.
How are two people drafted into the nfl analogy?
Brady was recruited to Michigan - which is about as blue blood as it gets
Brown was one of those under the radar kids from a talent rich area - like Antonio Bryant.
I don't think Brady was underrated as a prospect going into college, it was the NFL who underrated him, point being that it's not rare for great players to be missed.
The point is if the pros miss with the millions they spend on scouting it's understandable that colleges miss on far less developed prospects .Just the pure number of potential D1 vs professional prospects also makes it easier for a player to slip through the cracks .
Right sure. But NFL comparisons aren't really helpful here. The NBA has a much higher hit rate between 4 and 5* prospects translating into first round draft picks.
What team travel teams did he play for? I can see from being a follower of girls high school soccer the last few years, that some girls come in with big reputations and get preference over others at first because they played for Big Shot Travel FC, then end up not being as good as kids who didn't play in some of those places.
From #232 recruit to #9 freshman in a few short weeks.
9. Xavier Johnson
How he got here: Johnson initially signed with Nebraska, but had second thoughts and asked for a release. Shortly after landing the Pittsburgh gig, Jeff Capel got Johnson on to campus for a visit and moved quickly to land him.
This season: 16.9 points, 4.3 rebounds and 5.6 assists per game.
Analysis: Quite possibly the most pleasant surprise of the freshman class, Johnson has been electric for a very young Pitt squad. He's shot the ball well, he's created, he's scored and he's set the tone for his teammates with his spirited play. He looks like a keeper and a great building block for Capel.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals...zion-williamson-tops-initial-freshman-tracker
9. Xavier Johnson
How he got here: Johnson initially signed with Nebraska, but had second thoughts and asked for a release. Shortly after landing the Pittsburgh gig, Jeff Capel got Johnson on to campus for a visit and moved quickly to land him.
This season: 16.9 points, 4.3 rebounds and 5.6 assists per game.
Analysis: Quite possibly the most pleasant surprise of the freshman class, Johnson has been electric for a very young Pitt squad. He's shot the ball well, he's created, he's scored and he's set the tone for his teammates with his spirited play. He looks like a keeper and a great building block for Capel.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals...zion-williamson-tops-initial-freshman-tracker
And of course since you follow it so much you also know that pretty much all of the best players at all of the top college programs played high level travel soccer. The exceptions don't prove the rule, the exceptions are simply exceptions.
His AAU squad was Team Takeover in DC (and he played for a prestigious high school as well), so clearly the "travel teams" line of thinking has no merit. Beyond that, the landscape of college basketball recruiting is nothing like the landscape of college soccer recruiting because only the latter has such an insidious problem with pay to play schemes.
He just fell through the cracks. It happens.
They don't feel bad at all, they have a nice PG and a very good team that is a slam dunk for the NCAA's this year.
I don't think it's uncommon for travel players to lose out to non travel players, I've seen it a lot. I don't think it's much of an exception.
Right, you don't, but then again we have well established in the past that you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this. Every player on my niece's team this season played travel soccer and every single one of them was recruited based on their travel team and not their high school team. Pitt's players are the same. So are the players at North Carolina and Florida State, who played for the national championship earlier today. Look at the bios of the kids on the school's web sites and it's easy to see, even though you want to pretend otherwise. They will all list the travel teams the kids played on. Most of them will talk about the kids accomplishments on those travel teams. Because that's what is important to college coaches, not what they did at Northwest Southeast High School.
They have a senior laden team and can't count on pulling in someone as underrated as X for 2019 (or any other year for that matter). Of course they feel bad. Consider how certain people on here freak out over every recruiting miss and just swap the colors.
Yes, and I believe there were a couple of 5 and 4 stars in that same league.
No I'm right and you're wrong, There are plenty of travel players who are inferior to non-travel players, I've seen it. I'm not talking about the ones with D1 scholarship offers, something like 4% of kids get full rides for soccer, but some of their teammates. There are travel team kids I know who couldn't make the varsity at their high school.
Actually approximately 0% of kids get full rides to play college soccer. Once again, something you'd figure that an expert like you would know, seeing as to how that's common knowledge among people who follow the sport, and yet somehow you don't.
I never said I was an expert, And you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG there are kids that get full rides playing soccer, not many but a few, you call me an "expert", I don't call myself an expert, but there is nothing I've said here that isn't true. You're just basically a blowhard trying to act like an expert.
http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html
I said approximately 0%, which is absolutely the case. Someone like Malory Pugh, when she was good enough to be playing for the US full national team while still in high school, might have had a full scholarship. Most college teams have no one on them getting a full ride. If you read the web site you linked you'd understand why. The numbers simply don't work if schools would do that.
Still there are scholarships. My nephew was a walk on at Pitt, for example at that time, Pitt had one guy on full scholarship and 9 others on partials, this was maybe 5 years ago.
Whatever, are they 100%? A few, and many partial. So you are a friggin genius who thinks you "know", you are wrong.
I wonder how many times people who actually know things will need to tell you that you're wrong before you finally get it.
I wonder how many times people who actually know things will need to tell YOU that YOU'RE wrong before YOU finally get it
Clearly I AM RIGHT, YES there are soccer players in NCAA soccer with full rides.
I know you aren't very bright, but I never said that NO college soccer players have full scholarships. I am telling you that ALMOST NO college soccer players have full scholarships. And that is absolutely correct, even though you don't want to believe it. I have family members who have gone through the process. When you insisted on this previously another poster whose daughter plays D1 soccer and has gone through the recruiting process (twice, iirc) told you that you were wrong. But you still keep insisting that you are right, because the coach at the local community college told your daughter she could play there if she wanted.
When Mallory Pugh went to UCLA she got a full scholarship. It was notable because she was one of the very, very few players in all of D1 that had a full scholarship. She only got that because she was so good that she was already playing for the US National team as a high school player. She was so good that she turned pro after only playing at UCLA for one year. She had leverage. Pretty much no one else has the kind of leverage she had. Which is why she was able to get something that almost no one else ever gets.
Sorry SIR, you didn't say "almost". even if "very, very few" get full scholarship, I am still correct, VERY, VERY FEW, still = SOME. I didn't say that it was common, I even said that a few years back, Pitt had ONE that I knew of. So you want to argue that VERY, VERY FEW or ALMOST NO = NONE, Well it doesn't.
And "because the coach at the local community college told your daughter she could play there if she wanted" ? What exactly does that have to do with it? Are you ridiculing MY DAUGHTER? Actually if she does play CC Soccer, that's a hell of an accomplishment. What % of kids play anywhere after HS? I would guess it's either ALMOST NO or VERY, VERY FEW.
I am RIGHT/YOU ARE WRONG, I don't know what the big deal is for you? Actually I always agreed with you that ALMOST NO players have full rides, you wanted to argue about my CORRECT CONTENTION that a few actually do.
I didn't say none, I said "approximately 0%". If I had meant none the word "approximately " would not have been in the sentence. Of the thousands of college soccer players out there the number getting full scholarships is surely less than 1%. And less than 1% is, kind of by definition, "approximately 0%".
The only way you can think I'm wrong is if you don't know how few kids actually get full soccer scholarships or if you don't understand what some pretty common words actually mean.
You're nitpicking me to death, WE AGREE, I ALWAYS KNEW that almost nobody get's a college soccer scholarship. when I said there where 4% it's a stat I saw that included ALL soccer scholarships (across divisions), including those that get tiny scholarships, like a few hundred bucks per year. I know a family where the daughter after having paid for her to play for expensive travel teams for a decade ended up with a D1 scholarship that paid her $600 per year. So, OK, less than 1% WE AGREE, which means that what I said, that SOME get full rides is TRUE. THE END.
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