24 Team Playoff - December Madness

[Pitt79]

Scrap the Bowl system completely and do this...

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/fcs

Hell, even Pitt would have a chance to make it every once in awhile. If you used the rankings, Pitt at #23 would be in this year.

Automatic Bids for all the conference champs.

It would be bigger than March Madness.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

December Demencia

 

[Pitt79]

Would also fix college football, which is broken, the post season wouldn't be 95% "meaningless exhibitions" and nobody would be sitting out to prepare for the NFL draft.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Wouldn't the number have to be a multiple of 4 unless some teams receive a bye

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Wouldn't the number have to be a multiple of 4 unless some teams receive a bye

24. 12. 6. 3. Wait a minute???

 

[ncyajleel]

Makes too much sense, therefore it could never be done.

Scrap the Bowl system completely and do this...

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/fcs

Hell, even Pitt would have a chance to make it every once in awhile. If you used the rankings, Pitt at #23 would be in this year.

Automatic Bids for all the conference champs.

It would be bigger than March Madness.

 

[Jpripper88]

Scrap the Bowl system completely and do this...

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/fcs

Hell, even Pitt would have a chance to make it every once in awhile. If you used the rankings, Pitt at #23 would be in this year.

Automatic Bids for all the conference champs.

It would be bigger than March Madness.

That would be terrible. It would completely devalue much of the regular season.

BTW, Pitt would likely be out based on all the FBS conference champs making it.

 

[Pitt79]

BTW, Pitt would likely be out based on all the FBS conference champs making it.

That's OK, it's more important that all the champs get in and that winning your league really means something.

Pitt still would have a better chance this way. Probably the years they went 9-4 or 10-3 under Wanny or Walt they may have been in. and the year they won the BE at 8-4, they would have had an automatic bid.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Scrap the Bowl system completely and do this...

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/fcs

Hell, even Pitt would have a chance to make it every once in awhile. If you used the rankings, Pitt at #23 would be in this year.

Automatic Bids for all the conference champs.

It would be bigger than March Madness.

That would be terrible. It would completely devalue much of the regular season.

BTW, Pitt would likely be out based on all the FBS conference champs making it.

Pitt would be seeded 12th or 13th. They didn't put much thought into Pitt's ranking because its meaningless. Their resume at 8-4 is better than most 9-3 teams.

The P5 schools do not want to share revenue equally like they do for the NCAAT so that's one reason you'll never see a 16 or 24 team playoff. You will see an 8 team playoff eventually though and it will be set up so that the G5 schools are cut out.

 

[Pitt79]

The P5 schools do not want to share revenue equally like they do for the NCAAT so that's one reason you'll never see a 16 or 24 team playoff...

But it would be more entertaining and exciting than the BS bowl system. I watched the YSU game at Eastern Washington in the Final 4, what a game! I mean it meant something, players are playing with passion. Meanwhile in D1-A most of the games are snoozers and unwatchable unless your team is in it.

 

[Cap pitt]

You would have to have a 6 game regular season

 

[UPitt '89]

24. 12. 6. 3. Wait a minute???

Top 8 get a bye.

24-9 winner vs 8
23-10 winner vs 7
22-11 winner vs 6
21-12 winner vs 5
20-13 winner vs 4
19-14 winner vs 3
18-15 winner vs 2
17-16 winner vs 1

 

[Jpripper88]

It would be FCKN Awesome, it would make the regular season WAY MORE MEANINGFUL as probably 30+ teams would still have meaningful games with playoff implications past Thanksgiving! It wouldn't be the way it is now, where all but 5-7 teams are all eliminated from contention before Halloween.

No, it really wouldn't. Half of the teams (and all of the legitimate contenders) would be guaranteed in by November. Michigan vs. Ohio State wouldn't have eliminated either one. Even the conference championships would have effectively meant almost nothing because Florida, Ok State, Wisconsin, and Colorado would be in even after losses. Only Va Tech would have been possibly playing for a spot.

For folks that actually enjoy college football (not just watching 1 game a week) throughout the year, it would be pretty terrible. You'd make G5 games mean more, I guess. It would leave it more up in the air to see which G5 "champs" got the right to get absolutely destroyed by one of the top 5 teams. I guess it would be better to have that Western Kentucky vs. La Tech Conference USA championship be "meaningful" and Ohio State vs. Michigan not have a playoff spot on the line. Sounds like a major improvement...

 

[UPitt '89]

You would have to have a 6 game regular season

The most extra games any team would play in a 24-team playoff is 4. The top 8 would max out at 3.

11-game regular season with a max of 16 total (including conf champ game). Right now, Alabama, Clemson, or Washington have a max of 15 total as it is now.

 

[Pitt79]

You would have to have a 6 game regular season

No you wouldn't, the D1-AA teams play a 12 game schedule too, then do the playoffs. YSU enters the championship game 12-3. So they'll end up playing a 16 game schedule. If 'Bama, Clemson or Washington end up winning it all, they will have played 15 games.

 

[Jpripper88]

Pitt would be seeded 12th or 13th. They didn't put much thought into Pitt's ranking because its meaningless. Their resume at 8-4 is better than most 9-3 teams.

The P5 schools do not want to share revenue equally like they do for the NCAAT so that's one reason you'll never see a 16 or 24 team playoff. You will see an 8 team playoff eventually though and it will be set up so that the G5 schools are cut out.

Pitt would not be seeded 12th or 13th in this scenario. Not even close. The committee voted them #23 and there would be 6 conference champions out of the top 24 and 4 more from outside. Pitt would have been cut in this scenario. LSU at #20 would have been the last team in.

 

[Jpripper88]

But it would be more entertaining and exciting than the BS bowl system. I watched the YSU game at Eastern Washington in the Final 4, what a game! I mean it meant something, players are playing with passion. Meanwhile in D1-A most of the games are snoozers and unwatchable unless your team is in it.

So, you watched YSU vs Eastern Washington, but don't watch the College Football playoffs? Yeah, ok.

 

[Pitt79]

No, it really wouldn't. Half of the teams (and all of the legitimate contenders) would be guaranteed in by November. Michigan vs. Ohio State wouldn't have eliminated either one. Even the conference championships would have effectively meant almost nothing because Florida, Ok State, Wisconsin, and Colorado would be in even after losses. Only Va Tech would have been possibly playing for a spot.

For folks that actually enjoy college football (not just watching 1 game a week) throughout the year, it would be pretty terrible. You'd make G5 games mean more, I guess. It would leave it more up in the air to see which G5 "champs" got the right to get absolutely destroyed by one of the top 5 teams. I guess it would be better to have that Western Kentucky vs. La Tech Conference USA championship be "meaningful" and Ohio State vs. Michigan not have a playoff spot on the line. Sounds like a major improvement...

It would be way more fun, to me, so we can agree to disagree.

Plus, just like the March Madness, the lower level teams would improve if they actually had a chance to get to a playoff. They'd have exposure, and some players would opt to go to a lesser program and start right away over going to a bigger one and riding the bench. Eventually you'd have Western Kentucky pulling an upset over a P5 team in a playoff game.

And the playoff would mean way more interest, just like March Madness, people would care, people would be pissed if Navy beat Oklahoma State and their bracket was busted. It wouldn't be like now, when 98% of the games, nobody notices, and by the time they have the Championship, a week after NYD, people had already thought CFB was over, where hung over and had to get up early for work the next dat.

 

[Pitt79]

So, you watched YSU vs Eastern Washington, but don't watch the College Football playoffs? Yeah, ok.

I have some connections to YSU, I don't care what happens if Alabama plays Washington, those teams mean nothing to me, but I can enjoy rooting for YSU.

 

[Jpripper88]

It would be way more fun, to me, so we can agree to disagree.

Plus, just like the March Madness, the lower level teams would improve if they actually had a chance to get to a playoff. They'd have exposure, and some players would opt to go to a lesser program and start right away over going to a bigger one and riding the bench. Eventually you'd have Western Kentucky pulling an upset over a P5 team in a playoff game.

And the playoff would mean way more interest, just like March Madness, people would care, people would be pissed if Navy beat Oklahoma State and their bracket was busted. It wouldn't be like now, when 98% of the games, nobody notices, and by the time they have the Championship, a week after NYD, people had already thought CFB was over, where hung over and had to get up early for work the next dat.

Everyone else (people who actually enjoy and watch college football and thus fuel the TV and money) would disagree. MACtion does not drive the train.

Your idea creates a system where the true contenders play games that mean nothing in November vs. now when they mean everything. It would be awful for the sport. Why does it work at D1-AA? Because no one cares about or watches that level. They have to drum up interest. Also, March Madness works well because there are 3 times as many teams competing and basketball is much easier to have a true Cinderella pull an upset. Plus, there are huge TV issues. The NFL will not give up their hold on December, so how are you going to show all these "meaningful games"? You couldn't play any on Sunday and with the holidays you could have times when you have no realistic date to hold games around the Christmas weekend, especially because the NFL will maintain the flex when Christmas falls on Sunday, like this year.

Beyond all that, we are talking about 100k fan games and travel and security and contingency, not 15k people having 5-6 days to figure out last minute holiday travel across the country to college towns that essentially cannot support that kind of unplanned influx.

 

[Jpripper88]

I have some connections to YSU, I don't care what happens if Alabama plays Washington, those teams mean nothing to me, but I can enjoy rooting for YSU.

So, again, you are only watching games you have a connection to. You aren't a college football fan. It is fine to not be a college football fan, but the game and the playoffs aren't for you because you don't care about the sport in the slightest. You wouldn't watch anyway.

 

[Pitt79]

Everyone else (people who actually enjoy and watch college football and thus fuel the TV and money) would disagree.

"Everyone" is not a valid comment. I know lot's of people that would want a playoff, and want automatic bids for conference champs. So you are definitely WRONG here. you should say...

"Many (people who actually enjoy and watch college football and thus fuel the TV and money) would disagree."

Then I would answer...

"Many would agree."

 

[Swervin27]

you cant have a meaningful regular season and a good playoff system, you either have one or the other. a 16 team playoff or 32 team playoff would be sweet but it would absolutely de-value the college football regular season. A small price to pay IMO..

A lot of games for these guys though, 12 game regular season then another 3 or 4 games in post season? Im for it but im a fan..

 

[UPitt '89]

you cant have a meaningful regular season and a good playoff system, you either have one or the other. a 16 team playoff or 32 team playoff would be sweet but it would absolutely de-value the college football regular season. A small price to pay IMO..

A lot of games for these guys though, 12 game regular season then another 3 or 4 games in post season? Im for it but im a fan..

Alabama, Clemson, and/or Washington will play 15 games this year.

Reduce the regular season to 11 from 12..... and there would be no difference in number of games for the championship teams.

 

[Pitt79]

So, again, you are only watching games you have a connection to. You aren't a college football fan. It is fine to not be a college football fan, but the game and the playoffs aren't for you because you don't care about the sport in the slightest. You wouldn't watch anyway.

I really can't watch any sports event intensely for 3+ hours if I really don't care who wins.

But I do love games where upstarts are playing blue bloods, like When Boise State beat Oklahoma 43-42 in that Fiesta Bowl, I watched every minute because I had rooting interest in seeing what the upstart could do vs. the blue blood. I would enjoy watching a playoff, because it wouldn't be set up for the "best teams" to win and I could root for brackets to be busted, and that's a big rooting interest factor for me. A bowl game besides Pitt this year I am interested in is the Western Michigan/Wisconsin game, sure they'll probably get killed, but at least I'll care to root for one of the teams.

My big post season CFB games that I'm fired up to see:

Pitt vs. Northwestern
YSU vs. JMU
WM vs. Wisconsin

So yeah, I like CF, if I didn't would I want to see this many games? I'd watch more if it was a true playoff.

 

[Pitt79]

you cant have a meaningful regular season and a good playoff system, you either have one or the other. a 16 team playoff or 32 team playoff would be sweet but it would absolutely de-value the college football regular season. A small price to pay IMO..

A lot of games for these guys though, 12 game regular season then another 3 or 4 games in post season? Im for it but im a fan..

12-16 games is no big deal, all of the lower divisions do it.

And I don't get how the regular season is "devalued"? To get in the playoff, you need to perform in the regular season, win games, win a conference.

 

[Pitt79]

Beyond all that, we are talking about 100k fan games and travel and security and contingency, not 15k people having 5-6 days to figure out last minute holiday travel across the country to college towns that essentially cannot support that kind of unplanned influx.

100K fans traveling? The higher seed would get the home games and 100K wouldn't travel, maybe 20K at the most.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

For every "devalued" Bama/LSU game and Mich/OSU game, there will be 5 "meaningful" regular season games added. Pitt/Duke and Pitt/Syr would have meant everything to Pitt as they try to grab a bid.

Some of you people dont get it. What do the talking heads on ESPN talk about all February and March? Last 4 In/First 4 Out. Bubble Watch. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs Syr would have been huge bubble-bursting games potentially. That's just an example.

 

[Swervin27]

100K fans traveling? The higher seed would get the home games and 100K wouldn't travel, maybe 20K at the most.

yeah, you cant be doing neutral sites for these, not until maybe the last 2 rounds. YOu cant expect a fan base to travel out of state for 3 or 4 weekends in a row.. This isn't youth hockey

 

[Jpripper88]

I really can't watch any sports event intensely for 3+ hours if I really don't care who wins.

But I do love games where upstarts are playing blue bloods, like When Boise State beat Oklahoma 43-42 in that Fiesta Bowl, I watched every minute because I had rooting interest in seeing what the upstart could do vs. the blue blood. I would enjoy watching a playoff, because it wouldn't be set up for the "best teams" to win and I could root for brackets to be busted, and that's a big rooting interest factor for me. A bowl game besides Pitt this year I am interested in is the Western Michigan/Wisconsin game, sure they'll probably get killed, but at least I'll care to root for one of the teams.

My big post season CFB games that I'm fired up to see:

Pitt vs. Northwestern
YSU vs. JMU
WM vs. Wisconsin

So yeah, I like CF, if I didn't would I want to see this many games? I'd watch more if it was a true playoff.

So, why do you care about the playoffs? You wouldn't watch anything after the 5 G5 champs got pounded anyway.

"Everyone" is not a valid comment. I know lot's of people that would want a playoff, and want automatic bids for conference champs. So you are definitely WRONG here. you should say...

"Many (people who actually enjoy and watch college football and thus fuel the TV and money) would disagree."

Then I would answer...

"Many would agree."

No, everyone is obviously understood to mean the vast majority. But, sure, not "everyone" in the sense of every single person. Heck, there are people like you who literally do not even like college football, but post about possible playoff structures over and over.

 

[Pitt79]

For every "devalued" Bama/LSU game and Mich/OSU game, there will be 5 "meaningful" regular season games added. Pitt/Duke and Pitt/Syr would have meant everything to Pitt as they try to grab a bid.

Some of you people dont get it. What do the talking heads on ESPN talk about all February and March? Last 4 In/First 4 Out. Bubble Watch. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs Syr would have been huge bubble-bursting games potentially. That's just an example.

Exactly! It would be way more interesting and not just a discussion of 'Bama and tOSU every year.

 

[Swervin27]

Exactly! It would be way more interesting and not just a discussion of 'Bama and tOSU every year.

you and SMF have some good points. I might have to re-think my "Devaluing the regular season" opinion.

 

[UPitt '89]

For every "devalued" Bama/LSU game and Mich/OSU game, there will be 5 "meaningful" regular season games added. Pitt/Duke and Pitt/Syr would have meant everything to Pitt as they try to grab a bid.

Some of you people dont get it. What do the talking heads on ESPN talk about all February and March? Last 4 In/First 4 Out. Bubble Watch. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs Syr would have been huge bubble-bursting games potentially. That's just an example.

I actually agree with this.

If there were say a 16-team playoff like in the lower divisions..... the final 3 or 4 weeks of the regular season would be amazing.... there'd be 8 to 10 games every weekend with playoff implications. It would be November-Madness. And the ratings would be astronomical.

 

[Pitt79]

So, why do you care about the playoffs? You wouldn't watch anything after the 5 G5 champs got pounded anyway.

It would be at least interesting, I might want to watch more. The way it is now, it's basically the same 8-10 programs in the hunt every year, and it doesn't interest me at all. And the talking heads and committee members are like you, yelling to make sure nobody ever makes it but those certain teams.

 

[Pitt79]

No, everyone is obviously understood to mean the vast majority. But, sure, not "everyone" in the sense of every single person. Heck, there are people like you who literally do not even like college football, but post about possible playoff structures over and over.

In this particular thread, you're the only one adamantly against a playoff, it doesn't seem like "vast majority" to me.

 

[Swervin27]

It would be at least interesting, I might want to watch more. The way it is now, it's basically the same 8-10 programs in the hunt every year, and it doesn't interest me at all. And the talking heads and committee members are like you, yelling to make sure nobody ever makes it but those certain teams.

same 8-10 programs? Try like the same 4-5 programs.. I WISH it was 10 teams, that would be a welcoming change..

 

[Pitt79]

same 8-10 programs? Try like the same 4-5 programs.. I WISH it was 10 teams, that would be a welcoming change..

'Bama, tOSU, Clemson/FSU, "other B1G or SEC", ND, USC/Oregon, usual suspects.

It's not even that they are the best, these are the teams assumed to be best at the start of every year, and they need to play their way out of the spots, and are replaced by whoever rises, but only from certain conferences, and even then, not every team, like if wake Forrest unexpectedly goes 12-0 they still try to talk them out in favor of a name brand with losses, Like when Pitt won the BE, the talking heads violently attacked them as unworthy.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Bama & OSU would have a permanent spot

 

[Jpripper88]

100K fans traveling? The higher seed would get the home games and 100K wouldn't travel, maybe 20K at the most.

Yes, because most of the home team fans don't live in those college towns and you are now asking them to figure out travel and staying (around the holidays) in towns that aren't really built for that, especially around the holidays.

For every "devalued" Bama/LSU game and Mich/OSU game, there will be 5 "meaningful" regular season games added. Pitt/Duke and Pitt/Syr would have meant everything to Pitt as they try to grab a bid.

Some of you people dont get it. What do the talking heads on ESPN talk about all February and March? Last 4 In/First 4 Out. Bubble Watch. Pitt vs Duke and Pitt vs Syr would have been huge bubble-bursting games potentially. That's just an example.

It would be "meaningful" for 1 side to claw into the back end of the playoffs and not be seen as actually impactful to who will end up winning the playoff because those teams would have a miniscule chances of winning it all.

Why do they talk about that? Because half the field is already in. Plus, basketball has games all week they have to drive content for and storylines about.

 

[Pitt79]

Yes, because most of the home team fans don't live in those college towns and you are now asking them to figure out travel and staying (around the holidays) in towns that aren't really built for that, especially around the holidays.

So then if you have a game at Happy Valley or Morgantown, then 95% of the fans are the regular ticket holders, so what?