I think we will find out more about that this year. We beat two of their "kings" last year, including THE TOP KING. Should have beaten NC, OK St. and maybe one other. I know coulda shoulda woulda.
3rd tier?
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But it more than just W's and L's and championships. It is the impact and infrastructure surrounding those programs. It is his list.
Here's the difference between "King" Penn State and "Knight" Pitt. Penn State had the greatest scandal in sports history. Its legendary coach disgraced, fired and died. Statues and wins were removed. Sanctions were put on. And in 5 years, they win the Big 10, go to the Rose Bowl and have a top rated recruiting class. Pitt has a guy throw someone through a plate glass window, another kid drive drunk, and be named in an SI article for arrests and the administration self destructs the program for 5 years with poor coaching hires until Narduzzi. And now Narduzzi has to fight that stigma.
I don't care if we beat them or not.......THAT RIGHT THERE shows the difference. Football is mostly a bother to Pitt administration and trustees. Actually, sports are, because that abomination in basketball is just ridiculous.
I don't care if we beat them or not.......THAT RIGHT THERE shows the difference. Football is mostly a bother to Pitt administration and trustees. Actually, sports are, because that abomination in basketball is just ridiculous.
A school's success in football is measured by the number of fans in the stands.
At least that's what the school to the east touts.
At least that's what the school to the east touts.
Ignore that idiot. He's a premium paying troll. That's how pathetic his life is...
Honestly his list doesn't look to bad. I would drop PSU and Miami. I don't think either of them are near the programs they were 15 years ago. They could move backup with a few more big years. I also want to see where PSU is in a few more seasons, with paterno gone.
In the second group I don't think MI ST belongs. Sure they had a run but I think they are headed back to where they were before MI and PSU fell back. I think I could argue NC in tier 2. I don't think NW or SU really belong in tier 3 but there is a pretty big difference between the top teams in tier 3 and the bottom. Overall Pitt is basically where we belong.
yeah illinois and SU definitely don't belong in tier 3. I think CO could easily be dropped as well.
Disgraceful. But they get a pass from me, because of this...
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19467703/baseball-hall-fame-honor-homer-bat-episode-simpsons
Yeah call me crazy but when I think of the all time powers in college football history, one of the first I think of is Nebraska and Tom Osborne.
It's rather incredible --- but Nebraska has zero Top 10 finishes since 2001 (year they lost in the MNC Rose Bowl to Miami FLA). Not a single one. Neither any conference Championships (B1G or Big XII).
Michigan & Penn State have definitely had their down seasons in the 2002-2016 era, but they have also definitely been at a higher aggregate level vs. Nebraska in the 2002-2016 era.
U-M has 5 Top 10 finishes and 2 B1G titles in that 15 year era. Penn State has 4 and 3.
Nebraska has 0 and 0.
Here is a PSU fan who needs to come onto another team's board to make him feel better. Chill out
If you look at the list of the largest college football stadiums it closely correlates to the list of winningest college football programs. Winningest football program = Michigan. Biggest college football stadium = Michigan. The two go hand-in-hand.
Think about the biggest college football stadiums: Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, Tennessee, Alabama, Notre Dame, Penn State, Oklahoma, USC, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, all very successful football programs.
When you win, you can sell more tickets and thus, you need a bigger stadium.
Correction: the NCAA continued to allow them to be "king" Their penalties were horrendously underserved. They should still be on a ban. Pathetic .
He actually brought some facts to the argument. I encourage that. The fact is Michigan is a blue blood and Penn State has 4 top 10 finishes and 4 11 win seasons in past 12 years despite spending the past 5 seasons with stain of child abuse and sanctions.
And those 4 top 10 finishes in 15 years don't look bad but what is their overall win/loss record? I can guarantee you its not top 10 or even top 15. Also the sanctions were lessened two different times. Really PSU never really got the full brunt of the sanctions because by the time they were getting to where the scholarships were to be cut way down it was announced that they would be lifted. Ended up they got about half of what they originally were to get. Less than usc. As a result PSU was telling recruits the sanctions would be lifted from the minute they were imposed. It was all a scam to appease the masses.
Bottom line is when you finish in top 10 4 times in 12 years during sanctions where kids are told no bowl games, limited schollys, and trying to recruit with stain of Sandusky over your head, yet you finish in top 10 4 years after, you are a king. Look at their recruiting now. If you do not think they are a king, I'm afraid I got some bad news....
FWIW, PSU ranks 21st in winning percentage among D-1 schools in the 2002-2016 era. That's not elite in of itself, but it is ahead of other "kings" like Michigan, Miami FLA, and Notre Dame. (+ Nebraska too, the school I was originally commenting on)
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...2002&end=2016&rpct=100&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct
I fully respect programs like Boise State, TCU, Oregon, Virginia Tech, Utah, WVU, Oklahoma State and Louisville. And they should be respected - they are all in the Top 20 (e.g., ahead of Penn State) in winning percentage in the 2002-2016 era! But they also have longer-term structural disadvantages vis-a-vis a school like Penn State. Any of those 8 schools could become a "king", but --- fair or not --- they will need to do considerably more than they've already done to get there.
It is what it is --- both (1) history and (2) program structural advantages/disadvantages mean a ton in terms of both (a) a program's standing and (b) likelihood for future success.
As for the rest of your post --- none of that is really relevant, IMO, as regards whether PSU or Nebraska should be a King or Baron. PSU was penalized, PSU served said penalty, and now the penalty phase is over. I don't think anything Paterno/Sandusky/NCAA/et cetera matters much as regards PSU's future.
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Based on the above log in id he must be a PSU fan. Why do PSU fans come on our board?
I am a guest here, I realize that. But I post because I enjoy the conversation.
Keep coming, ignore any put downs just focus on the discussions, only way to share to learn and you one of the Best & Brightest like many at PSU Alumni, and not Dumb to Dumber like a few Fans that claim a BS in Health Science?
After 21 Posts most may know no more than Pnnyliar that attacks and stalks BWI & Lair Posters,
Behind every Pnnyliar Penn State Fan there’s Paterno who made him that way!
