6 NFL Coaches Likely to be Fired in 2019

[BuffetParrothead]

Looks like a good list to start the season.
Mid season we'll see some changes to the list.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...-get-fired-in-2019/ar-AAG1y1W?ocid=spartandhp

 

[RingDinger]

Crazy how razor thin the difference between winning and losing in the league is.

Cleveland - Conner fumbles and refs blow call on punt that hit player. Huge lead turns into tie. Kicker misses would-be game winner (although so did their kicker). Commanding lead blown.

Oakland - Coach goes total bonehead mode in second half and rolls with quarterback who wouldn't start in AAF. Kicker misses would-be game tying kick.

Saints - Refs make egregious phantom pass interference call, and then arguably do it again (although I thought the second one was 50/50). We fumble when marching down to tie or take the lead.

Chargers - Horrible pre-snap non-call and missed holding by officials. Two players running into each other in the end zone didn't help. Huge lead blown.

Denver - Grimble fumbles on the goal line trying to impersonate a Mack Truck, instead of simply avoiding the defender. Conner fumbles near the red zone. Ben throws horrible pick in end zone.

I'm not making excuses, and, if anything, this might show that the talent was there but the coaching was not. But, damn... 9-6-1 could have easily been 11-5, 12-4, 13-3, etc. Not even just could have, but should have. And now people are talking about finishing third in the division, considering rebuilding, etc. You almost have to commend the league for achieving such parity.

 

[lilspainishflea]

I'm not a huge Tomlin fan but he's safe....mostly because coaching in the NFL is generally terrible. He's not great but still fairly accomplished and there's no obvious upgrade to him either on the Steelers staff or elsewhere. Look at the recent hires: Texas Tech HC, Rams QB coach, failed Dolphins HC, the freaking TITANS OC (25 in offense in 2018!!!), another anonymous Patriots DC. It's like a 65 year old divorcing his wife because he thinks he can do better. I'd rather not go back to swiping on Tinder.

 

[McKee Place]

I'm not a huge Tomlin fan but he's safe....mostly because coaching in the NFL is generally terrible. He's not great but still fairly accomplished and there's no obvious upgrade to him either on the Steelers staff or elsewhere. Look at the recent hires: Texas Tech HC, Rams QB coach, failed Dolphins HC, the freaking TITANS OC (25 in offense in 2018!!!), another anonymous Patriots DC. It's like a 65 year old divorcing his wife because he thinks he can do better. I'd rather not go back to swiping on Tinder.

Tha is ALWAYS my consideration when the rabble start calling for firing Pitt coaches (or Clint Hurdle for that matter). Who is truly available who is better (in Pitt's or the Pirates case, that they'd be willing to pay; in the Steelers case, simply available to hire). If you definitively cannot name at least one (ideally more than one in case of unforeseen issues) clearly better than your current guy (it may finally apply to Hurdle who looks to totally have lost the team; as it did for Stallings), pull da trigger. Otherwise may as well hold on to what you have.

Flip flopping at random one cheap jabroney for another, simply to temporarily try to generate false interest, has particularly been a Pitt trademark (seemingly halted with Narduzzi), that almost always has failed. The Steelers either lucked into this realization or were genuinely wise. Plus, a different issue in the NFL is the seeming prereq to recycle clear goobers. Why fire Tomlin just to hire a boob like Marty Mornhinweg or Norb Turner or so many other guys who reek of perennial 6-10?

 

[Ski11585]

Tha is ALWAYS my consideration when the rabble start calling for firing Pitt coaches (or Clint Hurdle for that matter). Who is truly available who is better (in Pitt's or the Pirates case, that they'd be willing to pay; in the Steelers case, simply available to hire). If you definitively cannot name at least one (ideally more than one in case of unforeseen issues) clearly better than your current guy (it may finally apply to Hurdle who looks to totally have lost the team; as it did for Stallings), pull da trigger. Otherwise may as well hold on to what you have.

Flip flopping at random one cheap jabroney for another, simply to temporarily try to generate false interest, has particularly been a Pitt trademark (seemingly halted with Narduzzi), that almost always has failed. The Steelers either lucked into this realization or were genuinely wise. Plus, a different issue in the NFL is the seeming prereq to recycle clear goobers. Why fire Tomlin just to hire a boob like Marty Mornhinweg or Norb Turner or so many other guys who reek of perennial 6-10?

Don't let @fkthomas hear you! I'm already gearing up for his weekly anti-Tomlin threads.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Tha is ALWAYS my consideration when the rabble start calling for firing Pitt coaches (or Clint Hurdle for that matter). Who is truly available who is better (in Pitt's or the Pirates case, that they'd be willing to pay; in the Steelers case, simply available to hire). If you definitively cannot name at least one (ideally more than one in case of unforeseen issues) clearly better than your current guy (it may finally apply to Hurdle who looks to totally have lost the team; as it did for Stallings), pull da trigger. Otherwise may as well hold on to what you have.

Flip flopping at random one cheap jabroney for another, simply to temporarily try to generate false interest, has particularly been a Pitt trademark (seemingly halted with Narduzzi), that almost always has failed. The Steelers either lucked into this realization or were genuinely wise. Plus, a different issue in the NFL is the seeming prereq to recycle clear goobers. Why fire Tomlin just to hire a boob like Marty Mornhinweg or Norb Turner or so many other guys who reek of perennial 6-10?

Exactly. Most coaches in the NFL, even the good ones, have warts. The only one who is clearly, inarguably better than Tomlin is Belichik and he's unavailable. I'd also argue that Harbaugh is probably slightly better. That's it.

Andy Reid has never won the big one and is generally known by two fanbases as a choke artist.
Pete Carroll blew an easy Super Bowl win and then drove off the most feared defense of the last 15 years. We'd crucify him if he did that to us.
Sean Peyton has the same playoff record as Tomlin and 1 fewer Super Bowl appearance.
Wunderkind Sean McVay scored 3 freaking points in the Super Bowl. We'll see how he does with a roster constricted by Jared Goff making $35m per year.
Peterson is hot but it's early.​

That's it. That's the list of coaches who are potentially better than Tomlin and I can make a hard argument against all of them except Belichik. We're not chasing out Tomlin for a guy like Vic Fangio or Mike Munchak. I'll scream at Tomlin until my face is red but it gets much worse than him.

 

[CJsE]

Tha is ALWAYS my consideration when the rabble start calling for firing Pitt coaches (or Clint Hurdle for that matter). W

Yeah, wouldn't want to upset the apple cart with the Pirates...

 

[Mikefln]

I think Tomlin is not a great coach, but must agree with others on here that there is no one who seems better. It does seem like there is a lack of good/great coaches. Back in the late 80's early 90's while they still had warts you had:

Don Shula
Marv Levy
Joe Gibbs
Noll/Cowher- one ending it while the other starting
Jerry Johnson
Mike Dtika
Bill Walsh
Bill Parcells

Again I know all if not most of them have warts but that list is better than what is out there today.

Other than the cheater up in NE who else can honestly stand with those guys? I don't think you can put Tomlin or Peyton up there and they have the best resume after the Belichick.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Yeah, wouldn't want to upset the apple cart with the Pirates...

The Pirates could get absolutely anyone dead or alive theoretically and it wouldn’t matter. Maybe some small things here and there that would amount to a few more wins but the rosters they’ve had with a cpl exceptions are losers. And even then they blew it by not going for it. The guys they felt they had to keep - haha. How’d that work out? Only exception may be Bell but can’t recall if he was someone other teams asked for.

 

[RingDinger]

I totally agree that people all too often want to get rid of coaches without considering the alternatives. I'm not sure if I agree that Tomlin couldn't be replaced with someone better, however. Most of his success came when we had veteran all-time Steeler greats policing the team; we've seemed to lack direction leadership ever since a few of them left.

Also, I know people don't like this argument, but his situation really was unique. Most new coaches are inheriting a bad situation, whereas Tomlin was more or less just passed a torch. And having Roethlisberger in an era where there were only about ten quarterbacks in the world who had any chance of winning a championship (I wouldn't say that is still the case; the league has changed a bit) was a huge advantage.

His clock management and lack of challenge prowess are concerning. He's also a defensive coach who deferred to the system in place when we got here; he didn't really bring anything to the table from an x's and o's standpoint. And, by all accounts, he took the reigns from Butler during that Jacksonville playoff game - not exactly something you'd want to put on your resume.

I like the guy, and I've defended him for most of his career. But I truly believe this team should have won much more than it has. Had Tomlin taken a new coaching position where Rex Grossman was the quarterback and the team was coming off three consecutive seasons of 6-10, 5-11,and 4-12 - a situation more similar to what most new coaches inherit - I doubt any of us would even remember him by now.

 

[BuffetParrothead]

Let's see what this list looks like a month into the season, the half way point, and with two games to go always an interesting time for NFL coaches with a few wins and a lot of disappointing losses.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I totally agree that people all too often want to get rid of coaches without considering the alternatives. I'm not sure if I agree that Tomlin couldn't be replaced with someone better, however. Most of his success came when we had veteran all-time Steeler greats policing the team; we've seemed to lack direction leadership ever since a few of them left.

Also, I know people don't like this argument, but his situation really was unique. Most new coaches are inheriting a bad situation, whereas Tomlin was more or less just passed a torch. And having Roethlisberger in an era where there were only about ten quarterbacks in the world who had any chance of winning a championship (I wouldn't say that is still the case; the league has changed a bit) was a huge advantage.

His clock management and lack of challenge prowess are concerning. He's also a defensive coach who deferred to the system in place when we got here; he didn't really bring anything to the table from an x's and o's standpoint. And, by all accounts, he took the reigns from Butler during that Jacksonville playoff game - not exactly something you'd want to put on your resume.

I like the guy, and I've defended him for most of his career. But I truly believe this team should have won much more than it has. Had Tomlin taken a new coaching position where Rex Grossman was the quarterback and the team was coming off three consecutive seasons of 6-10, 5-11,and 4-12 - a situation more similar to what most new coaches inherit - I doubt any of us would even remember him by now.

I agree that Tomlin’s teams should have won more. It is particularly infuriating how often they lose to clearly inferior teams. It happens to all teams but I doubt it happens with the frequency that it does with the Steelers.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

Don't let @fkthomas hear you! I'm already gearing up for his weekly anti-Tomlin threads.

Noooooo! It’s a new season. Hope springs eternal. The poison has left the locker room (other than Ben). Hopefully he has learned from it and will nip things in the bud moving forward.

I did see a tweet the other day but decided not to post it. It poked fun because i guess he lost another challenge on Saturday? The tweet was from that “obviously Tomlin” parody account and read “I lost another challenge. The standard is the standard”. You gotta admit that’s kinda funny.

Oh and one other thing...my position on Tomlin has always been that he’s a good coach. But the “great coach” label gets thrown around way too easily. Especially with a playoff record like he has had for 10 years.

 

[happjack]

I think Tomlin gets too much criticism for things out of his control like the Bell situation the past two seasons. Tomlin has no power or say when it comes to contract negotiations/extensions, that's all on the owner and GM, those two and Bell took a bad situation and made it way way worse. That people including posters on this board moaned that Tomlin needs to do this and do that to resolve the Bell situation was asinine since there's nothing he can say or do since he's not the one signing the checks. Sure Tomlin has a franchise QB but that QB doesn't have the respect of the team and there's no way he can make the team respect someone like Ben. Also how much say does Tomlin have over crony hires like Todd Haley and Tom Bradley?

 

[oldpantherfan]

Love the tomlin and Dobbs hating.Wonder why ?
What's the connection ? Hmmmm.

 

[RingDinger]

Love the tomlin and Dobbs hating.Wonder why ?
What's the connection ? Hmmmm.

That the coach who should have won more is the one who drafted the quarterback who can't hit the side of a barn... ?