I agree with that.
I think Sean's friendly fire from his dad's animosity towards Pitt with local players.
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I think Sean's friendly fire from his dad's animosity towards Pitt with local players.
Sorry. Sean was 26 years old. He and I were in the same freshman class at Pitt.
He returned to coach with Sendek at NC State. Lot's of coaches do that. Howland's assistants went with him to UCLA.
Maybe he thought, that was a better career path. Get over yourself already.
It got worse real fast. Those 2 recruits were difference makers. Both started....UK & UNC. Might not have been a real foundation, maybe Ralph would have screwed up even worse. We never had the chance to find out.
Well, you've proven to not care about how Pitt conducts itself. Once again.....it wasn't the action...it was the timing. Ralph gave him his first solid job, at his alma mater. I wouldn't trust him to mow my lawn.
I think we also had just hired a new chancellor and AD right around that time, and there was talk about de-emphasizing athletics altogether. Maybe that had something to do with it.
Sean is a Panther you know. He deserves some benefit of the doubt.
Yep.....and SP gave Ralph a fat extension. The de-emphasis talk was prior to that. SP was hired because he had FB experience. They were happy with Ralph until the wheels fell off.
I believe actions are more meaningful than words. With that, Sean isn't a Panther....he's a Miller.
Everybody, everything has a price. Some prices are just way too high. If someone offered you a $10 million per year job to leave Pittsburgh would you do it then? Although that is fantasy land, I'm just saying that for SOME price, you'd leave. Maybe your coworker would leave Pgh for a $50K raise. You, they'd have to offer 7 figures or whatever. Everybody is different but everybody has a price.
So why didn't they end up where Sean went? They chose UK and UNC for crying out loud - not Duquesne and Chaminade.
First, outside of CEO, nobody gets that money. I know it was just an example, but let's say just for grins some company wanted to take a middle tier manager and make me CEO. I wouldn't want that job, I couldn't do it. The stress would kill me.
Would you break your. values/morals/ethics for the right price? Would you trade spending time with family for a lot of money? I got home at 6 tonight. Read books to my daughter and was able to build houses with her with Lincoln logs. Then tucked her in. I would hate my life if I couldn't do that because I took a job that demanded the time that VERY high paying jobs seem to require. I know it is a personal choice and I don't criticize anyone who does do that, I just can't, and that's why I still hold that for some people, there is no price.
Still no reason to badmouth Pitt and act unprofessional even if all you say is correct and it isn't.
Well they weren't actually being recruited by where Sean went (at least not to any serious extent) and Sean left with so little time before LOI day (which was the whole problem, not that he left but the timing of it) that it wasn't realistic for them to seriously get into the "game".
We actually were the favorites to get Etimov right up until Miller bailed. We were essentially 50-50 on Magliore. We didn't become long shots with either of them until after Miller bailed. We might not have gotten either of them anyway, but the most likely outcome was that we were going to get one (Etimov) and it was probably actually more likely that we would get both rather than neither. Right up until Miller stabbed Willard in the back.
Willard had other issues, i.e. recruiting players of questionable integrity. I'm not even talking about primus - I'm talking Kelli Taylor. He was a great running mate for Vonteego but it was no coincidence the guy went off when they played at night - but couldn't get into the flow when they played in the afternoon. LOL
That said... I still give Willard (and Evans for that matter) a free pass. Who in their right mind would come to Pitt at that time when they played in the glorified high school gym?
Especially in the case of Willard, who was promised a new arena when he was hired and five years later was no closer actually getting one than the day he was promised it.
So the only reason they were potentially coming here was because of Sean, but u wanted Sean too lie to these recruits and tell them he would be at Pitt. Sean had a better opportunity, so he got out rather than get stuck in bad situation here. A new arena was promised and there was no follow through.
Hey... I'm someone who left Pittsburgh for another job..
And I've had offers for substantially more money... For bad jobs in places I have no interest in living... And passed.
Likewise I wouldn't move back to Pittsburgh just for any job, it would have to be a better job than I have...
Regardless of the salary.
Like I said, if you think salary is the driving force for choosing jobs...
You likely aren't someone who is getting offers to consider.
No, he wasn't the only reason why they would come here. But he was their lead recruiter. And when the lead guy recruiting someone bails out a couple days before LOI day you have no time to repair the damage.
Miller wouldn't have been stuck in any situation had he waited a couple days to take the job. The fact is that that was what assistants did all the time. They didn't screw their old school by leaving for their new school a couple days before LOI day. They ALWAYS waited until after LOI day to make the jump.
For someone who thinks they understand what happened, you really don't seem know what happened.
Miller wouldn't have been stuck in any situation had he waited a couple days to take the job. The fact is that that was what assistants did all the time. They didn't screw their old school by leaving for their new school a couple days before LOI day. They ALWAYS waited until after LOI day to make the jump.
For someone who thinks they understand what happened, you really don't seem know what happened.
Why don't u explain then? You wanted Sean to lie to these kids in hopes they would attend Pitt even though he was moving onto a better opportunity in his mind. Why should Sean put a black mark on his name at an early stage in his career? Evtimov did little at UNC anyways even if he came here as u think. Magliore was not coming here.
Here's a couple options which would have been better...
Take the job months before loi day so Your alma mater isn't screwed over.
Or take the job a couple months after loi day like most coaches do, for the same reason.
If he was recruiting them for Pitt while getting ready to bail, he was already lying to them, right,?
I have explained it. It isn't my fault that you can't understand something so relatively simple. NO assistant coaches bailed out on their school a couple days before LOI day to take another assistant job somewhere else. They ALL waited to take the new position. Miller not waiting wasn't done because he thought he might lose an opportunity, no one can be dumb enough to think that, most certainly not Miller. There is quite literally a zero percent chance he'd have lost the job by telling Sendek to wait three days. Miller didn't wait because he didn't want to wait. He WANTED to screw Pitt. The consequences of his actions to Pitt were entirely predictable and EXACTLY what he wanted to happen. To think otherwise not only requires one to ignore the facts, it requires one to not have any common sense too.
This isn't charity work. You go where u are compensated well. Don't blame him that our admin. was not paying as well as others and they were not delivering on the new arena.
So, you just don't want to actually hear better ways he could have handled it?
No problem, just say so and save us all time.
He wasn't doing charity work for Pitt, and I'm confident the 3 days salary wasn't so substantial to be compelling.
I never said anything about losing an opportunity to coach with Sendek. How do u think these recruits would have reacted IF they came to Pitt and he was gone?
If my employer promises something and does not deliver, and then a friend who works for another company offers me a job and a pay raise then I am doing the same thing. I also would not continue recruiting for my former employer.
The same way every player does in every sport.
Like the offensive players who committed to the fat Coordinator who bolted.
They can stick with Pitt, transfer, or try to get out of their loi.
You give no notice?
You don't finish your projects?
You just quit.
Got it. Be sure to inform your employer.
The fat OC who was wanted by numerous teams and ended up at Georgia. The same one u said was doing a mediocre job here?
Just your employer and alma mater.
And don't forget, you've been lying to those kids already.
So stop that nonsense.
It's a business. Do u think Pitt would hesitate in firing him if the team did not win enough games? Please child.
Like I said... If you don't want to hear of better alternatives for how to handle the situation..
Just say so.
Your mind is made up, regardless of how silly your rationale is.
Serious answer. No, I wouldn't take it. Money isn't everything to me any longer. I make a comfortable living.....a VERY comfortable living. But I also get to spend most evenings, when I'm not out of town, with my wife. I also get to see my 3 sons many times a week because they live here. I wouldn't trade that for anything. My family and God come first. Period. Then my health. Taking a job that paid $10mil/yr. would surely mean a high stress job. That isn't good for my health. No job is worth that. They're just jobs.
Okay - so let's say Sean gives his 2 week notice before signing day. It would have made no difference anyways. You are not going to get another asst. coach at Pitt in enough time to land any big name players anyways. These kids would have found out he was not coming and u get the same result.
