A Penn State grad Kevin Gorman trying to knock Pitt in his trib article

[steel_curtain]

-Now that is funny. You still trying to pump Penn State pal? I didnt realize Lamont Wade and Don Jeter committed anywhere yet. Thanks for your analysis coming from a Penn State graduate. See you on the field soon. And for the record, the only player Pitt lost that stings is David Adams. The only player.


http://triblive.com/sports/kevingorman/10343590-74/dream-team-ranked

 

[Piranha]

-Now that is funny. You still trying to pump Penn State pal? I didnt realize Lamont Wade and Don Jeter committed anywhere yet. Thanks for your analysis coming from a Penn State graduate. See you on the field soon. And for the record, the only player Pitt lost that stings is David Adams. The only player.


http://triblive.com/sports/kevingorman/10343590-74/dream-team-ranked

He has turned into a joke. There was a time when he was actually a decent writer. In the comments section he says it is both Pitt and PS fault the series died. That is absurd - Paterno is the reason.

 

[H2Pittisit]

-Now that is funny. You still trying to pump Penn State pal? I didnt realize Lamont Wade and Don Jeter committed anywhere yet. Thanks for your analysis coming from a Penn State graduate. See you on the field soon. And for the record, the only player Pitt lost that stings is David Adams. The only player.


http://triblive.com/sports/kevingorman/10343590-74/dream-team-ranked

Any 4 star player we lose in the WPIAL stings, so you can think it's only Adams but coming into this recruiting class we all had bigger visions than missing on Lugg, Adams, Hinish, And Thorpe. I do not have anywhere close to the faith with Wade, so ya you can play it off like it's not a big deal but it is a big deal. This class is huge for Pitt. Better than any class in recent memory. Ford, Jeter, and Robinson is good but not close to game changing

 

[bobfree]

Any 4 star player we lose in the WPIAL stings, so you can think it's only Adams but coming into this recruiting class we all had bigger visions than missing on Lugg, Adams, Hinish, And Thorpe. I do not have anywhere close to the faith with Wade, so ya you can play it off like it's not a big deal but it is a big deal. This class is huge for Pitt. Better than any class in recent memory. Ford, Jeter, and Robinson is good but not close to game changing

You're ridiculous

 

[H2Pittisit]

You're ridiculous

For being honest and saying what everyone thinks? You assumed we'd miss on all these guys? Please elaborate

 

[steel_curtain]

Any 4 star player we lose in the WPIAL stings, so you can think it's only Adams but coming into this recruiting class we all had bigger visions than missing on Lugg, Adams, Hinish, And Thorpe. I do not have anywhere close to the faith with Wade, so ya you can play it off like it's not a big deal but it is a big deal. This class is huge for Pitt. Better than any class in recent memory. Ford, Jeter, and Robinson is good but not close to game changing

-O-lineman are a dime a dozen in comparison to d-lineman. If we are striking out on d-linemen, especially the elite ones, then that is the time to draw concern. I dont care about Lugg or Thorpe in my opinion. The D-line is way more important as are the skill players. Ford is worth 5 Luggs, and probably more. So is Wade, so is Jeter. If we lose those 2, his article is justified. If we lose 1, maybe partially justifed depending on who else we pick up.

 

[steel_curtain]

-O-lineman are a dime a dozen in comparison to d-lineman. If we are striking out on d-linemen, especially the elite ones, then that is the time to draw concern. I dont care about Lugg or Thorpe in my opinion. The D-line is way more important as are the skill players. Ford is worth 5 Luggs, and probably more. So is Wade, so is Jeter. If we lose those 2, his article is justified. If we lose 1, maybe partially justifed depending on who else we pick up.

-Btw, eyes on this guy, Fred Hansard. We visited him again today. Massive talent, great chance to get him. D-line beast.

http://247sports.com/Player/Fred-Hansard-77248

 

[bobfree]

For being honest and saying what everyone thinks? You assumed we'd miss on all these guys? Please elaborate

First, you aren't a Pitt fan. So that's loco.

Second, last year at this time Hamlin was about penn stat or Ohio state, George hill was committed to Ohio state, keyshon camp was a usc commit, Amir watts a western Michigan commit. Shit changes

 

[Panther Parrothead]

The bottom line is this: if the situation was reversed and it was Pitt that got those recruits, would Gorman have written a similar article?

 

[Pantherman43]

First, you aren't a Pitt fan. So that's loco.

Second, last year at this time Hamlin was about penn stat or Ohio state, George hill was committed to Ohio state, keyshon camp was a usc commit, Amir watts a western Michigan commit. Shit changes

This is the time of year that Franklin and Penn State shines. Then later in the year something called FOOTBALL SEASON stars and things don't go as well for them. The results on the field are lacking and their class usually gets picked apart.

It's too bad they can't schedule their second team during the fall. 37-0 wins are hard for the dominator to pick up so far.

 

[wbrpanther]

-Now that is funny. You still trying to pump Penn State pal? I didnt realize Lamont Wade and Don Jeter committed anywhere yet. Thanks for your analysis coming from a Penn State graduate. See you on the field soon. And for the record, the only player Pitt lost that stings is David Adams. The only player.


http://triblive.com/sports/kevingorman/10343590-74/dream-team-ranked

Takes a real a**hole to get so rankled by what a high school junior says that you have to call him out in print.

What a freakin putz.

 

[steel_curtain]

This is the time of year that Franklin and Penn State shines. Then later in the year something called FOOTBALL SEASON stars and things don't go as well for them. The results on the field are lacking and their class usually gets picked apart.

It's too bad they can't schedule their second team during the fall. 37-0 wins are hard for the dominator to pick up so far.

-Penn State Lost every player off the D-line except 1 guy, and the D-line was weak last year for Penn State. James Conner is going for over 200 yards and 3 td's if he is remotely healthy. I don't get the hype on this team at all with such a young and weak d-line. They are going to get killed against the run by anyone with a run game.

 

[deepelemblues]

well maybe gorman's stupidity destroyed the entire site for me since it's all down now. for me. downforeveryoneorjustme says it's just me

 

[steel_curtain]

well maybe gorman's stupidity destroyed the entire site for me since it's all down now. for me. downforeveryoneorjustme says it's just me

-You have to laugh that he changed his headline 19 minutes ago. I couldnt even make this up, that's how poor his journalism is. He seriously changed his headline from dream team but a dream, to dream team could be a dream. Complete joke of a journalist. If you are going to write something, stick to it. This guy takes the word flip flop to Elite levels.



Kevin Gorman ‏@KGorman_Trib 20m20 minutes agoPittsburgh, PA
COLUMN: Despite 4 top-100 @Rivals prospects, Western PA 'dream team' could be but a dream:


Kevin Gorman
Trib HS Insider ‏@TribHSInsider 3h3 hours ago
.@KGorman_Trib writes: 'Dream team' but a dream http://bit.ly/1MLH9ob @Goony_38 @DiddyBop1_ @_thatkidsavage @David_Adams1335 @RH56__


Here's his twitter account

https://twitter.com/kgorman_trib

 

[Jeffburgh]

The bottom line is this: if the situation was reversed and it was Pitt that got those recruits, would Gorman have written a similar article?

No, I agree with the earlier post that he was pretty decent in his days doing the HS beat, but like most pittsburgh area sports reporters, got assimilated into the PSU good, Pitt bad mindset.

 

[pittmeister]

For being honest and saying what everyone thinks? You assumed we'd miss on all these guys? Please elaborate

He doesn't have to elaborate....Your posts are evidence enough...

 

[Jeffburgh]

-Btw, eyes on this guy, Fred Hansard. We visited him again today. Massive talent, great chance to get him. D-line beast.

http://247sports.com/Player/Fred-Hansard-77248

I am not particularly confident that he goes Pitt, but I do think Nards has his hooks in him and Pitt is more of a factor than the pundits think with him.

 

[Jeffburgh]

First, you aren't a Pitt fan. So that's loco.

Second, last year at this time Hamlin was about penn stat or Ohio state, George hill was committed to Ohio state, keyshon camp was a usc commit, Amir watts a western Michigan commit. Shit changes

Agreed, while they haven't won many of the early battles, they didn't win a lot of early battles last year, either.

And, you keep hearing the REALLY good stuff from these kids about Nards and the staff, the vibe is good.

It is a lot like last year, you try to get the really good local kids, you win some, you lose some.

But, more than any coach since Gottfried, they went out of the WPIAL to get some really good prospects last year and until prove otherwise, I am fairly confident they will this year, too.

 

[OH Pete]

He has turned into a joke. There was a time when he was actually a decent writer. In the comments section he says it is both Pitt and PS fault the series died. That is absurd - Paterno is the reason.

Agree. Until recently, I thought he was pretty fair and while not a great writer, he was solid. I'm guessing that things are getting pretty bad in the print journalism business and that Gorman is either getting pressure from his bosses to be controversial to gain readership or he sees what is going on in his industry and feels the pressure himself. Like Andrew Philiponi on The Fan - if you are just ok at what you do, the only way you can keep your job is by trying to stir up controversy.

 

[Hero of the Oppressed]

Gorman got his facts wrong on the Brandon Knight article. That was a piece of garbage article. This was proven a few days ago when Knight explained things....delays, waiting to hear back from other schools, etc. he was treated very fairly.

Gorman.....isn't there a TBall game you should be covering

 

[pittdan77]

Don't really get the point of the article. It's about things HS kids are saying and tweeting.

I also notice that James has doubled down on OL recruits. Three so far for 2017. Can't help but think he's telling them they'll come in and play right away.

Anyway, it's a marathon. Not a sprint.

 

[Malachi Constant]

I wonder what's going on with Gorman that he's turning into such a flame-baiting hack. He didn't used to be that way, and it's a shame to see what he is turning into.

 

[pittdan77]

I really don't think the media knows how to handle Pitt. It was so easy for them to be jaded and condescending for so long. Hard to say what success will bring.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Sign on Forbes at Oakland border for local media

 

[thebadby2]

Takes a real a**hole to get so rankled by what a high school junior says that you have to call him out in print.

What a freakin putz.

Spot on. Again, an inappropriate article. It's not valid journalistic opinion, it's not factual information. lt's just a bull$hit potshot, plain and simple.

You guys in the Burgh have always had some of the worst sports reporting of any big city papers. Blame the editors, they're supposed to steer the ship and ensure the quality of the content.

 

[franklinfan62788]

I wonder what's going on with Gorman that he's turning into such a flame-baiting hack. He didn't used to be that way, and it's a shame to see what he is turning into.

Gorman has been writing this **** since 09..

 

[PittMan 72]

I wonder what's going on with Gorman that he's turning into such a flame-baiting hack. He didn't used to be that way, and it's a shame to see what he is turning into.

He's a nitter. Like cream rises to the top, crap eventually sinks to the bottom. Just another awareness issue that people need to keep in mind when reading some of the nit-centric propaganda that many of the nitter media around here keeps producing.

 

[wbrpanther]

He's a nitter. Like cream rises to the top, crap eventually sinks to the bottom. Just another awareness issue that people need to keep in mind when reading some of the nit-centric propaganda that many of the nitter media around here keeps producing.

The beauty is Ford never said Pitt would get all the 412 recruits. He only opined how good it would be.

Gorman had to make stuff up just to write this piece of crap.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

Eventually the PSU fanboy comes out in all of the journalists in the area, it is quite unbelievable really......but one thing I will wait on with Narduzzi is he always seems to have a plan to replace a kid he loses with someone with similar talent so far......Quite honestly if he can find a similar talent to David Adams elsewhere, then it is a wash......

 

[thebadby2]

-O-lineman are a dime a dozen in comparison to d-lineman. If we are striking out on d-linemen, especially the elite ones, then that is the time to draw concern. I dont care about Lugg or Thorpe in my opinion. The D-line is way more important as are the skill players. Ford is worth 5 Luggs, and probably more. So is Wade, so is Jeter. If we lose those 2, his article is justified. If we lose 1, maybe partially justified depending on who else we pick up.

Both lines are equally important. You have to win the LOS to win the game. You can't do $hit offensively--run or pass-- unless you have a good, solid O-line. You could have Bo Jackson in your backfield and Peyton Manning at QB, if your O line is no good, neither are they. Likewise, your defense can do so much more if you have a strong D line that can stuff the run and pressure the passer without requiring a ton of back end and outside blitzes.

I would agree with you to the extent that your post suggests that great O linemen can be developed, but great D linemen are born--they have to be more naturally talented athletically than the O line guys. The better programs have a strategy for bringing in and developing O line players--some of those players aren't even O linemen coming out of HS. They look for big, athletic guys with good hands and feet who have the kind of frame that can add a lot of weight with strength training and diet. Brian O'Neill is a good example. But on the D line side, unless you have the natural explosive strength and athleticism like an AD or Suh, there's only so much you can do to improve technique-wise.

A highly successful Power 5 head coach that I know once told me over beers that in recruiting he and his staff emphasized watching OL prospects play basketball, which told him more about their footwork, agility, and coordination. Same with wrestling. He has put a couple of his lightly recruited OLs in the first round of the NFL draft, one he recruited as a 2-star 6'6, 225 pound HS tight end and another who came in unrated at 6'7, 245. I think O'Neill will end up being one of those guys, an earlier-round draft pick. Very impressive that he could switch from TE to OT as a RS freshman and end up starting a whole season.

 

[pittmeister]

No matter how impartial they try and be, the nitter always comes out in them. Protecting PSU is a high calling for these nitwits, even higher than religion.

 

[PittMan 72]

Eventually the PSU fanboy comes out in all of the journalists in the area, it is quite unbelievable really......but one thing I will wait on with Narduzzi is he always seems to have a plan to replace a kid he loses with someone with similar talent so far......Quite honestly if he can find a similar talent to David Adams elsewhere, then it is a wash......

Agree. There are very few players that are so unique that they are "1 of a kind". The scholarship is still there when a target decides to go elsewhere. It's then up to Pitt to find and sign a comparable player.

 

[thebadby2]

I am not particularly confident that he goes Pitt, but I do think Nards has his hooks in him and Pitt is more of a factor than the pundits think with him.

Agree. Wherever he goes, he goes, but I think Duzzi will be his constant companion all the way to LOI day. We'll see what happens. Adams hurts given out needs at LB and the fact that he's in the backyard, but you can't win 'em all. There are plenty of good ones left to get.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

No matter how impartial they try and be, the nitter always comes out in them. Protecting PSU is a high calling for these nitwits, even higher than religion.

It is their religion.

 

[PittMan 72]

The beauty is Ford never said Pitt would get all the 412 recruits. He only opined how good it would be.

Gorman had to make stuff up just to write this piece of crap.

Think that Wade's tweet (quoted below and in Gorman's column) must have rattled Gorman's cage.

“If all the Pittsburgh kids stayed home Pitt would have a top 3 national recruiting class,” Wade tweeted Monday.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Pitt is in a no-win situation. Mark it down now: if Pitt beats the Nits in September, it will only be because of the lingering effects of The Sanctions.

The excuse articles have already been written, just waiting to be filed.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

The nit wits have used the sanctions as an excuse for the last 2 years when if fact they have recruited very well. If Pitt beats PSU then all hell will break lose in nitville.

Pitt is in a no-win situation. Mark it down now: if Pitt beats the Nits in September, it will only be because of the lingering effects of The Sanctions.

The excuse articles have already been written, just waiting to be filed.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Eventually the PSU fanboy comes out in all of the journalists in the area, it is quite unbelievable really......but one thing I will wait on with Narduzzi is he always seems to have a plan to replace a kid he loses with someone with similar talent so far......Quite honestly if he can find a similar talent to David Adams elsewhere, then it is a wash......

Yep. Nards isn't dumpster diving, he's leaving no stone unturned, and until he fails to get quality kids I am assuming he will get them.

 

[steel_curtain]

Both lines are equally important. You have to win the LOS to win the game. You can't do $hit offensively--run or pass-- unless you have a good, solid O-line. You could have Bo Jackson in your backfield and Peyton Manning at QB, if your O line is no good, neither are they. Likewise, your defense can do so much more if you have a strong D line that can stuff the run and pressure the passer without requiring a ton of back end and outside blitzes.

I would agree with you to the extent that your post suggests that great O linemen can be developed, but great D linemen are born--they have to be more naturally talented athletically than the O line guys. The better programs have a strategy for bringing in and developing O line players--some of those players aren't even O linemen coming out of HS. They look for big, athletic guys with good hands and feet who have the kind of frame that can add a lot of weight with strength training and diet. Brian O'Neill is a good example. But on the D line side, unless you have the natural explosive strength and athleticism like an AD or Suh, there's only so much you can do to improve technique-wise.

A highly successful Power 5 head coach that I know once told me over beers that in recruiting he and his staff emphasized watching OL prospects play basketball, which told him more about their footwork, agility, and coordination. Same with wrestling. He has put a couple of his lightly recruited OLs in the first round of the NFL draft, one he recruited as a 2-star 6'6, 225 pound HS tight end and another who came in unrated at 6'7, 245. I think O'Neill will end up being one of those guys, an earlier-round draft pick. Very impressive that he could switch from TE to OT as a RS freshman and end up starting a whole season.

-50% of the Superbowl winners have had the #1 or #2 ranked defense in the NFL that season. Im not going to debate about the value of offensive and defensive linemen. Generally speaking without a defense you arent going anywhere in the NFL. I dont have the same stats for college but the dominant defenses most times with the correct talent. Obviously stating Alabama has more pro players in theory could be correct, but in general, defense wins championships, and defenses that have the talent on the d-line. My point is this. You can have an average or above average o-line and still win. You arent winning anything with a bad d-line, at college or in the nfl. The Pittsuburgh Steelers won the Superbowl in 2008 with the #20 ranked offense in the league, and the #1 ranked defense in the league. Of the 6 Superbowl Champions by the Steelers, only 1 of them had a defense ranked worse than number 1 or number 2 in the league, and that year there were injuries to start the season off.

 

[Gary77]

You're ridiculous

Worse than that, he's a nitter moron.