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A Rough Week, Our Gas Problem & Other Dribbles ...

DT_PITT

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** Wow. What a rough week. There's a saying that bad news comes in threes, and the Pitt Hoops program certainly got a trifecta over the past few days.

** I sure hope bad news doesn't come in fours. I don't know if we can take anymore!

** Still, I was inspired to offer some thoughts tonight because of one post among the dozens and dozens lamenting the decommitment of Heron, Durand's dismissal, or Thorne choice's elsewhere. This particular poster said something to the affect of: "the wheels have officially come off." While I understand the thoughts of this poster, and share in the disappointment we are all feeling right now, I don't think this is quite the accurate depiction of the metaphor.

** I don't think the wheels have come off. I think the problem is that we are struggling in our efforts to get gas.

** I also still think we have a pretty darn capable Driver. After all these years, it's pretty clear that he knows how to drive pretty well. Sure, many folks have taken issue with how he may be using the brakes and gas pedal too often, instead of just letting the car go. Some even don't like how he congratulates fellow drivers after races. Still, I think it's a mistake to seriously doubt his driving skills.

** There are those who have questioned our Driver's skills from the start. They have proven to be wrong over and over again, despite their thoughts that what's happening now has proven them as ultimately right.

** For so many of his races, our Driver has had his car among the leaders coming into the final turn. It's actually been quite impressive considering all the other cars in the race. The problem, of course, is that he hasn't had what it takes to make a big final the run at finish line. Yes, he's often finished well into in the money. But not the biggest money.

** I suppose it's more than fair to say the Driver hasn't shown that he has what it takes to go full throttle in the last few paces. Or, like I've said, maybe the problem all along has been gas.

** It's hard to think that any Hoops program in the Big East or ACC doesn't have a big enough engine. But for quite a while, we've been coming around the final turn on regular gas. Sometimes we've even used "plus" gas. But generally speaking, we haven't taken high octane to the race.

** And our efforts to secure high octane fuel, especially as of late, have been frustrating. The common thought is that a program with an engine as big as ours that should be having less trouble with this. But we are.

** Maybe the problem is that we aren't prepared to pay the price needed for high octane gas. Or maybe we've too willingly let other drivers run us off the road on the way to the pump. Perhaps we don't like haggling with the high octane fuel attendant. Finally, it's even possible our Driver just don't know exactly what to do to turn on that pump. It's probably a little of all of this.

** But even without the high octane, in past years our Driver has gone into the race with his own fuel mixture. It's actually been a pretty good mixture that he's driven quite efficiently. Much more efficiently than most drivers, really.

** In the last couple of years, he's even filled the tank to full with regular gas, to learn later that he doesn't like the mixture. So instead of getting the most from gas he does have, he's been jettisoning some of his full tank in attempts to get new gas.

** Our Driver has also struggled lately with fuel leaks. Every driver has them, and for the early part of his career, our Driver has had fewer than most. But is hasn't been an easy trip to the gas station to fill the leaks. That's an issue.

** But the reality is that whether it's been a leak, or gas he's let out on his own, the Driver is scrambling around trying to find the right pump to fill the void. That's certainly not the recipe for success that he followed in many of his earlier races. Usually, he's used his tank for all that it's worth.

** In today's race world, so much more than ever before, the race fans know where all the best gas is. And it's tough to watch our Driver pull up to some of the better pumps, only to come away empty. Heck, we even just had some fuel in our own backyard ready to go, until the station closed and moved elsewhere.

** Maybe the problem with our Driver is his "Pitt" Crew. After all, isn't it their job to help fuel the car for the race? At the least, shouldn't they directing the Driver to the better gas stations, and in some cases, help him turn on the pump. The answer to this question is a resounding yes! But only the Driver really knows how good the Pitt Crew is (or isn't). If they aren't doing the job, only the Driver can be blamed for not making a change.

** Here's the thing though. For next year's race, we've actually got a fair amount of decent gas. And our Driver has shown that he can run a pretty good race with fuel that's been in the tank for a while. I still think we can do pretty well in next year's race. Maybe even better for the race after that too.

** If anything, I'm a little more worried about the refueling needed when the six gallons of current "junior fuel" are burned out in a couple of years.

** But as I said earlier, this Pitt Hoops Fan doesn't think the wheels are off the car. I don't believe a Driver as good as ours can ever really let that be the completely the case. But I certainly can understand why other race fans are worried this is the case. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have at least a few doubts myself. Even the very best drivers sometimes lose their edge.

** Simply stated, our Driver has been too good, for too long to give up on him yet. He's dealt with adversity before, and he's succeeded. He's almost always found a way to make a good showing in the next race. For now, that's where I'll put my money.

** But if the current gas doesn't make for a good race next year, and 12 months from now we are having this same conversations about fuel, and much more importantly race results, I too will have more serious concerns.

** I don't know if our Driver's Racing Team is having any doubts. But they have far too much invested in the Driver to consider a change at the moment. I don't have a problem with the investment either. The Driver earned it. He's had much more success than some of his racing fans probably understand.

** But we'll certainly have to see if the Driver will continue to earn it. This fuel problem is real. And it's not really just the problem with getting high octane fuel, but really, truly settling on just what kind of fuel is needed for a good race. Maybe high octane isn't the what makes his car run most efficiently. Especially if it's hard for him to obtain it. But this fuel problem means that our Driver who used to finish in the top 15 of races is now finishing more than a noticeable amount below that.

** So after this really rough week, I'll readily once again throw my personal support in front of our Driver. But if we are to think he's ever going to get us to the finish line, he's going to need to stop scrambling around so close to the next race to secure the gas needed from the right stations or the proper pumps .









This post was edited on 4/19 1:52 AM by DT_PITT
 
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As a caring family member at some point you have to start looking at the mistakes "The Driver" is making and ask is it safe for them to be on the road anymore? Maybe you find out that there are other issues "The Driver" is having that are affecting his skills and you seek some kind of treatment. Maybe "The Driver" is being distracted by his passengers because they keep telling him to go in one direction when there are better routes out there.

Driving skills do deteriorate. Faster in some than in others.
 
I see a MAJOR dichotomy with Jamie right now

He coached his arse off last year.

He tried everything he could to find some way to get this group to play even serviceable defense, going WELL out of his established way of doing things to be open to trying anything defensively.

He also was as active and engaged on the sideline as ever. He always has been one of the most active coaches during game and he was more active than ever last season.

THIS is where you see coaches who are just clocking it, they sit in their chairs, they look disinterested at times.

So, I think he clearly is still into it and wants to win badly.

BUT ... What we see from the quality of his players ("talent"), roster turnover, and his losing the team for the most part at the end of the season, his OVERALL management of the program is clearly.

It is a broken record, but he just has not put the best team around him (on the bench).

This is the key issue here.

People have a lazer like focus on recruiting, and that is part of it, but it also relays to the development of players, which was the hallmark of his program, as well as managing the young men in the program.

This isn't about the ACC, the cracks were showing and growing BEFORE entrance into the ACC. This has been building for well over half a decade now.

This program has LONG lost its identity. And, that is in part his fault. An example, he used to have the mindset with big men that he could take a kid with some core skills that was a bit out of shape and help them to lose weight and get into shape and develop them.

SO, he has tougher, stouter big men. He transitioned a long time ago to leaner big men and the results have been mixed, and the team lost that toughness on the inside.

He also want away from a classic lead PG to the shooting pg phase with Gibbs, toying with the point forward in Wannamaker. That fouled up the way they program had developed to control the pace of the game. When he tried to go back to a more traditional lead guard in JROB, it didn't come back to him.

He's toyed around and in doing so, the program lost its identity. He simply is NOT going to recruit the kind of big time players and athletes to do what everyone else is doing. What worked was physical and tough. That is what he CAN recruit for.

It is painful to say, but the simple reality of what exists now, this program is very much a bad program. The turnover, the scrambling to find any body to fill holes every off season, this is what a bad program looks like. And, it is exasperated because JD is not the kind of coach to get into the scums and sweet talk a bunch of thornes to come in and try to get a quick rebuild.

Part of this has a Walt Harris feel to it. Harris lost his heart for recruiting after that one class fell apart. He lasted a few more years, but when he left the program has a MAJOR talent void because he wasn't willing to fight in recruiting earlier.

Where I see this with JD is his staff. He USED to get some strong second chairs, Herrion, Rice ... Guys who were past HCs or soon to be HCs, with some gravitas for recruiting, but also experience to help develop players and also have a stronger presence on game day and in helping to manage the program.

JD has talked some of the turnover with his staff, and I get that has probably hurt in some situations. But, he just does not have enough help around him. BK and Smoke are OK, but they don't have the coaching chops or broader experience to support JD enough.

But, JD is going all in with them. They both need to make MAJOR strides. Again, obviously with recruiting, and this next class is VITAL to this program. Smoke has a decent start with the kid he got, but they need about four or five kids at that level or better in the 2016 class.

But, they both need to grow A LOT in taking on the role of developing the players as well as helping to stay on top of them to try to keep them on track, and get the JD approach of getting four year guys who come in play a bit role the first year or two, but kill it in practice, before taking over as a solid starter and then as a core guy their last year or two.

JD is in a really, REALLY bad spot here.

The roster is a mess - shallow in talent, big holes at center and sg.

He has two players to build around for the next two years (HOPEFULLY) in Young and Artis, a role guy in JROB, a fringe guy in Jones and two possible developmental guys in Luther and Cam Johnson ... Newkirk, who knows. Wilson looks like he COULD be a solid four year developmental guy.

That is about it ...

He HAS to find a way to fill in some spots and get some good vibes ON THE COURT this next season.

HAS to ...



This post was edited on 4/19 8:18 AM by Jeffburgh
 
Jamie and his staff need to take recruiting lessons from Narduzzi. He can be the greatest coach, etc, but if he and his staff can't recruit any great players then it is time for them to move on. He gets paid way too much $$$$ to have this crap going on at this stage of his career. If I am his boss, I would give him this year, 2015 to see if he can get it done and 2016. If they can't land a great, solid class by them, then it's time for a house cleaning.
 
What "great" players has Narduzzi recruited?

I see two 3 stars and a 2 star for 2016. If Jamie brought in that type of class it gets him killed. In 2015, the two four star players were Chryst recruits. I'm not saying I don't love Narduzzi, and he certainly is a swing for the fences type guy, but exactly who are the "great" players that he has recruited?

Jamie still has two 4 starts in the next 3 players coming into the program, that's a better group than anything on the football side, if we are going by star rankings.
 
Re: What "great" players has Narduzzi recruited?

Very good point Whirly.

Expectations in hoops are skewed more than anything else.

Dixon recruited more 4- and 5-stars in the two classes that he is getting blasted for than any basketball coach since Evans and Cal were buying guys and proportionately more than any Pitt football coach ever has. (Possible exception to Sherrill's first class after the national title but national rankings were much more rudimentary then.)

That doesn't mean we don't need a few good players, the sooner the better.

I was speaking with a Pitt fan who is VERY asute about sports and he made the point that Dixon used to recruit non-standard players, short shooting guards, 6-5 fat centers, two or three combo guards playing at the same time , etc and mold them into teams that beat Top 5 teams almost every time they ventured into the Pete. We need to find kids who can play and don't want to lose and worry a lot less about how many stats kid has or who else is recruiting him and whether they are a true center or a penetrating PG. We need guys who can play basketball, not look good in an AAU dunking contest.
 
The angst right now is over the top..

I get it. Its been a bad year, and this in particular has been a bad week. But...we have a lot of good players who have played a lot of minutes coming back. We have 4 starters coming back, and that's almost unheard of for Dixon. We still will add probably at least 2 pieces to next years group. Cam Johnson will be back. Manigault might be a top 50 player when the rankings are done.

I just think the criticism, the childishness right now on here is over the top. If Jamie does as bad as expected on here, he'll be gone in 2 seasons anyways. So why don't we all just sit back and see what happens. Instead of posting the 1,000,000,000th "why can't Jamie recruit" post. I get it, most on here think he can't recruit and he's a bad coach and we are going to go 9-20 next year. I don't agree...but we'll see
 
DT ..... I'm still rooting as hard as I can for Jamie Dixon to succeed and I'm 100% behind him ...... BUT, I don't agree with your statement that "only the Driver can tell how good his Pitt Crew is doing" ...... on race day, the Pitt Crew's performance is clearly visible to every fan ..... you can time how fast they refuel the car, change the tires, and repair flaws in the vehicle ...... it's pretty clear on race day how the Pitt Crew is performing ....... our Pitt Crew seems to be slow at putting the fuel in and may be using the wrong grade, they also aren't putting the tires on tight enough and that is why it looks like the wheels are coming off.

Seriously, DT, if we added an assistant coach the quality of Lombardi or Rice (not those two in particular but someone of their quality), and added a high quality ACC territory recruiter to the present assistants Knight along with maybe Richards and/or Smoke ...... don't you think that would be a better assistant staff .... a staff that likely would recruit better, develop players better, game plan better, and give more in game help to Jamie ..... DT, you have followed my hockey posts for many years and probably remember regarding MA Fleury that his performance seemed stagnant for several years and his performance in the playoffs poor ..... I often said that he needed a good, dedicated goalie coach to help him ..... Gilles Meloche was his goalie coach and I never attended a practice or know for sure what Meloche and Fleury were doing between games but I could tell by game day performance that Fleury worked on some things, not so much on others and that he was not improving as he should in several areas and suspected coaching was a problem ..... in comes Mike Bales as the Pens new goalie coach and the two years that Bales has been there, MAF has shown excellent improvement ..... it is the assistant coach (Bales) that has helped MAF develop not the head coach..... you are one of our well respected basketball experts on this board and I'm saying that as a compliment and because I believe it ...... are you telling me that you think our present assistant staff is as good as past staffs and that improving this staff wouldn't help ?? .... you hear things from insiders and you don't need to go to practice to form an opinion .... answer the questions please, you are the expert (at least in my eyes).... LOL ! ... and here is to hoping Jamie turns things around .... I trust he will !!!!!

This post was edited on 4/19 10:44 AM by goalieman
 
I love Nards

but, reality is, proof will be in the pudding come this fall and the next few ...
 
Re: The angst right now is over the top..

I'm not calling for JD's head, never have, but we are NOT in good shape for the next couple of years as you are suggesting, and there is ample reason for concern.

You talked about what we have coming back. What about what we don't have coming back or in next year--backcourt scoring and an impact big. We will have three actual guards on the roster next year, none of whom can be expected to provide any scoring. Maybe Wilson but he'll be a rookie and it's unlikely to happen next year. We have no 2 guard. We have 5-6 stretch 3-4 players, all of about the same skillset and ability level, competing for time at 2 of the 3 frontcourt spots. None of them are bangers, none of them are solid defenders, and none of them other than Artis are accomplished scorers. And we have a badly undersized post man, who really should be playing at the 4 where I think he could do great things IF he had a real center playing alongside him. Nix has "big stiff" written all over him. I don't care that he has worked hard to try to get into some kind of shape, he still has the look of a big, slow-footed, flat-footed, below the rim lummox who will have a lot of trouble playing at both ends of the court for more than a few minutes at a time. Even if he plays up to what some more optimistic posters view as his potential, it won;t be enough. He is not the answer to our deficit at the 5, hell, he's not even the question. If he can walk and chew gum he;s exceeded my expectations for him.

Like you said, we'll see what happens, but the smart money says keep your expectations very low for next year's group.

JD needs to get to fixing this mess, it isn't just going to work itself out by virtue of time if we keep doing what we have been doing as far as personnel.
 
What makes you say that? He hasn't coached a single game here yet!

He hasn't mouthed off about his recruiting prowess, if that's what your comment was directed at. He has promoted Pitt with social media in an effort to increase our profile, establish a brand, and reach more recruits, which it's about time someone did around here--but that isn't "sizzle".

He is trying to do exactly what he and Dantonio did at MSU. If he is able to successfully do so, I think you'll get a taste of that steak you reference. He built that defense into a beast with the scraps left for him by Michigan and OSU. He can and will do the same here.

He hasn't proven anything as a HC yet, but i certainly don't see him as a "sizzle" guy--like Graham was/is.
 
Re: What "great" players has Narduzzi recruited?

It is early in his game but they seem to be going after and in on a lot of recruits and casting a pretty good vibe in all of 4 months. Their glass at least appears to be filling up. Jamie's glass is getting lower and it seems he is incapable of creating any buzz for the 4-5 star impact players. Lets see where this plays out. As I clearly stated, he has TWO years to right his ship. That should be ample time. For all the SP lovers, I find it amazing how quickly things changed with the perception of FB and even actual things the AD dept did after his firing. Somehow I get the same feeling about Jamie's program. He needs to get his ass in gear and create some buzz before he to is fired. Two years is plenty of time. He is the highest paid employee in the Pitt system. He needs to figure this out. That's all I said.
 
Maybe they just need to use unleaded gas. Sometimes it's like they have lead in their feet and move too slow. especially on defense. If they played defense like they use to ... our record would have been better this year and we might not be having this conversation.
 
So, you couldn't name any players...that's what I thought

Vibes are great and all, but I'd prefer players.
 
I'm not saying that our assistants are valuable or not.

But if they stink ... that's on Jamie. He needs to make the changes
 
Originally posted by DT_PITT:

I'm not saying that our assistants are valuable or not.

But if they stink ... that's on Jamie. He needs to make the changes
DT .... from your response, I think you may have a place in politics .... LOL !

For the record, I never said that I thought the staff stinks, I said that I didn't think they were as strong as some previous staffs and that an upgrade may help us .... I also don't believe that the assistant coaches are the only problem with the program right now..... you must have an opinion on the staff though.

Yes, the bottom line is that it is up to Jamie to decide whether changes in his staff are needed at this point. Maybe he thinks the staff is really good and needs no change. However, when a new athletic director comes on board and if the team isn't doing better, Jamie may get some strong suggestions about his staff or maybe not ..... I still have faith that Jamie will right the ship and really hope he does .... time will tell.

This post was edited on 4/19 1:46 PM by goalieman
 
I may be wrong but suspect DT does know some things but is doing his best Kevin Bacon impersonation from the end of Animal House right now.
 
The post about the team losing their identity is particularly spot on, to me. Maybe something about the loss to Nova affected Dixon, but there was a lot of buzz on these boards in the following few recruiting classes about Dixon moving towards a team filled with 6'5"-ish wing players that were versatile. That's been a big bust and Dixon needs to answer for that.
 
Iam ... PLEASE answer this for me ...


How in the hell are you reading a "Kevin Bacon -- Animal House impersonation" from anything I have written? Seriously.






This post was edited on 4/19 2:20 PM by DT_PITT
 
I'm not even trying to be delicate with my response. I simply do not know or have any worthwhile information/facts to form an opinion.
 
Originally posted by DT_PITT:

I'm not even trying to be delicate with my response. I simply do not know or have any worthwhile information/facts to form an opinion.
Fair enough.
 
I knew what Iam was referring to ...

... but I cannot understand how he made this connection from what I have written.

Nothing in my comments resemble that notion.
 
Because if you are NOT apoplectic, or on suicide watch using only Velcro shoes and spoons for utensils...

To plenty you are branded a Pollyanna apologist cheerleader.

Their cups are perpetually bone dry .
 
At the end of the day, what does this all matter? Is anyone's lives be ruined or boosted by Jamie Dixon? I don't know why we spend time here.
 
Re: I knew what Iam was referring to ...

Yeah, I think this is the movie imagery DT is hoping for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK63eUyk-iM
 
I'll remind you of this thought the next time you go off the rails.
 
Who says he has 2 years?? YOU???

Pony up the loot to buy him out. NTAC.
 
I would say its more like Dixon is still a good driver but due to other factors, he has to drive oaround a junker which is causing him to get in more accidents.

Jamie is still a good coach but if he cant sell his nasketball program, thats kind of a problem.
 
Re: Iam ... PLEASE answer this for me ...


Originally posted by DT_PITT:

How in the hell are you reading a "Kevin Bacon -- Animal House impersonation" from anything I have written? Seriously.






This post was edited on 4/19 2:20 PM by DT_PITT
From your extraordinarily silly "driver" references. If you had a politician facing difficult times and his response to the situation was some bizarre analogy like you gave, people would be wondering what the hell the guy is covering up.

I like your stuff, but this has to be one of the poorest attempts you ever made. Sorry.
 
Re: Iam ... PLEASE answer this for me ...

he isn't a politician. he is a basketball fan, like you. How dare he try to add some levity to a bad situation. For shame! He should just drink the kool aid and go off the deep end like everyone else.
 
Reply to you Iam ...


Hey, if you found it extraordinarily silly, I certainly have no problem with that. I was just trying to find a way to say things a different way than most everyone has already said up to this point. Yes, it was a rough week. I know I was bummed. I hardly see any harm in trying to lighten it up a bit by talking about it something of a different way.

And despite how silly you found it, that didn't stop you from appropriately using the metaphor to make your reply. So you couldn't have found it TOO silly or TOO bizarre. Or even if you did -- it must have at least resonated with you somehow, now didn't it. Gotcha!
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But most importantly, I was questioning your use of the "All is Well" reference. I think it quite clear from the post that I too believe there is a problem. Even the title is "our problem with gas." And even if you found the use of the metaphor to be bizarre, I believe my point is honestly critical.

That's where I took issue with your reply.





This post was edited on 4/19 6:34 PM by DT_PITT
 
IMO the OP is counting angels dancing on a pin.
Admittedly it is only an opinion, but unless and until the free fall stops, I am more right than wrong.
The demise has been gradual but it has tangible results (or lack of) to back it up.
Whether I think JD can or can't do something is irrelevant.
He either will or won't. Right now, and for some time, the bloom has been off the rose.
 
Well, truth be told ...

... if you are going to use your metaphor correctly, then YOU TOO are counting angles dancing on a pin if you are even here on this message board spending time discussing the issue.

Additionally, it would seem like you are I have some similar opinion.

You said: "the demise has been gradual but it has tangible results (or lack of) to back it up."

I said: "But this fuel problem means that our Driver who used to finish in the top 15 of races is now finishing more than a noticeable amount below that."

And we also agree that JD will correct things or he won't.
 
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