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Absent from all the Pitt excitement. ...

"I judge recruiting classes in 4 years"
well that makes sense but the problem is, no one looks back. In 4 years, we will be worried about the class of '20. But your point remains, I have yet to see a fanbase not celebrating their recruiting class. Its like in fantasy football, everyone loves their draft the night of their picks, obviously things change once the games start...

The class looks deep (ON PAPER) though. Not a huge dropoff in talent from the top players to the mid range players. A couple reaches but a lot of players with a lot of offers..

If in 3 years from today, Feb 3rd 2019, if 12 of these players are still on the roster, I would consider that a big success..
 
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Honestly that is not a bad way to look at it....I tend to do that as well....but I am fired up to see what these kids will bring to the table


It isn't a "bad way". But it isn't the only way. And it isn't about being pragmatic he and others almost chide people about getting excited on a recruiting message board.

I'd say this because of the depth and high end talent is the best class Pitt has brought in for over 20 years.
 
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oddly enough, espn's acc blog had an article about the ACC's 2013 recruiting classes; they considered pitt's #2 behind Clemson.
Pretty mediocre at the time. James Conner far exceeding his 3 star ranking sure made it look a lot better a couple years later though. Also a handful of other guys who have lived up to or exceeded their rankings.
 
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Actually, save for the win total, he is correct.

We were just as excited with Wannstedts first full class. And we looked to be the same way with Grahams had he stuck around.
Chryst just set the bar low for you guys.

The key now is not to take a step back on the field next year to keep things going.
That, and hope most of these guys are players. Wannstedt had some guys who did real well, but he also had a lot of busts.
 
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Actually, save for the win total, he is correct.

We were just as excited with Wannstedts first full class. And we looked to be the same way with Grahams had he stuck around.
Chryst just set the bar low for you guys.

The key now is not to take a step back on the field next year to keep things going.
That, and hope most of these guys are players. Wannstedt had some guys who did real well, but he also had a lot of busts.
Todd Graham may have had the worst recruiting class in college football history. He pretty much brought in the same type of kids that he was getting at Tulsa. The month or so he spent recruiting almost completely destroyed Pitt football. I consider us lucky that we even got a few recruits that year that ended up being contributors.
 
Todd Graham may have had the worst recruiting class in college football history. He pretty much brought in the same type of kids that he was getting at Tulsa. The month or so he spent recruiting almost completely destroyed Pitt football. I consider us lucky that we even got a few recruits that year that ended up being contributors.

His class in early December was not rated high. Just like this one.
The consensus was that he was going get his recruits in the following months to get a top 25 class.

Obviously, his leaving changed everything, which was the main problem.
 
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His class in early December was not rated high. Just like this one.
The consensus was that he was going get his recruits in the following months to get a top 25 class.

Obviously, his leaving changed everything, which was the main problem.
Oh gotcha. I was referring to the '11 class before his season as coach. That class was pitiful. I was also in that same boat though that thought the '12 class would be a lot better.
 
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well that makes sense but the problem is, no one looks back. In 4 years, we will be worried about the class of '20. But your point remains, I have yet to see a fanbase not celebrating their recruiting class. Its like in fantasy football, everyone loves their draft the night of their picks, obviously things change once the games start...

The class looks deep (ON PAPER) though. Not a huge dropoff in talent from the top players to the mid range players. A couple reaches but a lot of players with a lot of offers..

If in 3 years from today, Feb 3rd 2019, if 12 of these players are still on the roster, I would consider that a big success..
12 of 23 last 2.5 years? That would be absolutely terrible. Would be an unbelievable flop of a class. That will not happen. IF it does, it would absolutely mean that CPN left after 16 or 17.
 
12 of 23 last 2.5 years? That would be absolutely terrible. Would be an unbelievable flop of a class. That will not happen. IF it does, it would absolutely mean that CPN left after 16 or 17.
JRip, a 50% attrition rate would be a huge improvement. Even our '06 class, which has been our best in a long time, had 13 people leave the program before year 4.

But I might need to retract my statement or expectations to hope that 12 of the 23 are in the two deep..
 
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Is Souf....telling us "nothing has changed"

Perhaps he is changing his handle to ...oh.....I don't know.......maybe........

The Invisible Man??
I had to deal with Southy's defense of Steve Pederson's great job at Pitt with him using Steve's Resume Bio Highlights that were bigger than any Coach or Players on Pitt Athletic Website? Southy made great claims that Pederson was fired at NU for firing Solich??? Yet, when I put up Links to Think to verify my own and countered why Pederson was fired in 5 minutes...Southy just blinked and then just slinked away.

As he did in defending Paul Chryst not needing a Special Teams Coach. Coach Narduzzi proved that Pitt did need a Great ST Coach and it paid off in 2015 unlike in 2012-13-14?
Southy's silence is not so loud on that truth?

When Chancellor Gallagher making Pederson announce bringing back the Pitt Script before the Media, Southy took the Pederson Line, it won't make Pitt win any better? When A.D. Barnes stated he has yet to meet anyone that said they hated the Pitt Script, guess he never talked to Southy?

When another Poster put up how A.D. Barnes is setting up a Pitt Advisory Fan Committee, Southy panned Pederson did that too? When I posted a Link verifying A.D. Barnes brought this Barnes Innovative Fan Plan that Barnes created, once again, a lie posted South of Oakland, was corrected by the Barnes Quote and Link?

Yet, lately I have enjoyed Southy's brief insights and just goes to show everyone has a Divine Light in them, and can change their views and opinions?

Finally, some of the Grand Doubters on Pitt Football have slowly come around becoming Supporters and see the light in Chancellor Gallagher's Vision for Pitt Football and hiring Coach Narduzzi's and later A.D. Barnes.

I am dealing with another Southy now. After I posted how much Pitt can be proud of Pitt's Former Players and the Program Honors them, to help Recruit. The Poster posted Recruits don't care about it, then went into tangents about me instead of defending his content? Sorry, but Pitt history & Former Player are important part of Pitt Football History, someones thinks otherwise, so be it, but I think they are wrong and I will point it out.

A Southy Clone Clown, but Southy is learning and finally realizing what Southy did not know or defend is only on him, proven wrong, and running away, is only on him. Instead of admitting his opinion might not have been not as right as he once thought.

No shame in learning and nothing wrong when a Poster does change one's opinion or proves you were wrong and I thank them.

But for the Posters that often think they are smart and can't show it within their posts, are just lame, and it takes time to tame them into be better for themselves not Pitt?

"Pitt Is It" again, with the Right People in the Right Places and ripping on Pitt South of Oakland or Bama, won't make them better Posters?
 
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"OriginalEther, post: 909012, member: 2036"]Actually, save for the win total, he is correct. We were just as excited with Wannstedts first full class.
Agree great point, but it took Coach Dave 3 years to show results in winning, and Coach Pat & Staff have shown changes in Attitude, Special Teams, Defense, Game Plans and Half Time Adjustments in one year?

And we looked to be the same way with Grahams had he stuck around.
Agree again, but Coach GraHAM left ASAP, while Coach Pat waited and wanted to come to Pitt and stayed in Dorms to get to know his Players, and promised Hamlin he would be at Pitt a Long Time? Coaching Character Matter & Actions to Recruits too!

Chryst just set the bar low for you guys.
Chryst couldn't get a Head Job on his own, so sent here by NU Grad Alvarez to bail out NY Grad Pederson to train Chryst into becoming an Head Coach until he his return to Wisky? Chryst left a pretty group guys around to his credit, but Coach pat made Special Teams and Defense way better.

The key now is not to take a step back on the field next year to keep things going. That, and hope most of these guys are players. Wannstedt had some guys who did real well, but he also had a lot of busts.
Spot on, and far tougher Schedule in 2016 against far Tougher Coaches and New Coaches and Programs. But coach Pat & Staff are confident and see m to live off of challenges and love it.
 
There's a new miserable poster on TOS with a suspiciously familiar terse style, sentence structure, misplaced commas, compulsive posting frequency, tendency to start any argument possible, and faux intellectual schtick. Pretty funny.
10-15 years of this.
Seems normal lol.
 
JRip, a 50% attrition rate would be a huge improvement. Even our '06 class, which has been our best in a long time, had 13 people leave the program before year 4.

But I might need to retract my statement or expectations to hope that 12 of the 23 are in the two deep..
1.That would be very bad for a coach's first class.
2. You said after these guys have 2.5 years on campus.

12 of 23 in the two deep before their JR season? That would be a much different thing and would certainly be a sign of a successful class.
 
1.That would be very bad for a coach's first class.
2. You said after these guys have 2.5 years on campus.

12 of 23 in the two deep before their JR season? That would be a much different thing and would certainly be a sign of a successful class.
Yeah JRip, I changed it on you there.. It's just crazy, looking at all these classes in past, even with Walt and Wanny, how many of these kids truly stay with the program. I know coaching changes added to the attrition lately but even with that 06 class under Wanny, a class that was very good, almost 1/2 left.. Walt's classes were way worse. If we ever get to the point where 50% or more continuously stay 4 or 5 years with programs, we will be set.. Attrition will always happen but if we can limit it 5 or 6 in a high teen class, that would be incredible.
 
Oh gotcha. I was referring to the '11 class before his season as coach. That class was pitiful. I was also in that same boat though that thought the '12 class would be a lot better.

I guess you don't remember that pitt had like 4 or 5 guys committed by the time Graham was hired. Believe it or not, firing a liked coach, hiring an unlikable coach, then firing the unlikable coach because he punched a female, then hiring another coach with a totally different philosophy has a tendency to wreak havoc on a recruiting class. What I'm trying to say is that Graham should get a free pass for that crudball class
 
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I guess you don't remember that pitt had like 4 or 5 guys committed by the time Graham was hired. Believe it or not, firing a liked coach, hiring an unlikable coach, then firing the unlikable coach because he punched a female, then hiring another coach with a totally different philosophy has a tendency to wreak havoc on a recruiting class. What I'm trying to say is that Graham should get a free pass for that crudball class
One other point if I may, Graham just went 6-7 with his 4 year of classes at ASU, and is Ranked 28th-Cbs, 36th-Scout & Rivals this year?

 
Captain you said you had some psu insider stuff to post after signing... Are you still going to post it?

No complaints on this class from me...I'm happy!
 
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Captain you said you had some psu insider stuff to post after signing... Are you still going to post it?

No complaints on this class from me...I'm happy!
Oh, yeah, just as soon I hear more from a very close friend and that should be by next week. He asked me to keep it quiet until after Signing Day, and then he would call with more info, and we have great menschkeit together on many things.

Some have figure some of it out from what I have read in their Postings, by talking about reading the faces of some Penn State Coaches, others on BWI & Scout Boards and coming over to the Lair have alluded to it too. They are more glum as many that love PSU.

Franklin has a Plan but so do others if his Plan does not work, will know more as soon as recruiting results settle?
 
Do you honestly think GridIron Sage has any inside information except in the wild imagination of his own head?
Yeah, like you have anything to offer except 4,000+ one line whines and then cry about them? We are what we post and you post mostly nothing, and that may be the best compliment about you???LOL!

I'll include a link to my first post with time and date and shows the info was ahead of the media reports that caused Franklin to hold Press Conferences.

I am sure "QUITWHININGWANNY" will run to his corner and cry again!
 
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