The ACC Sucks!!!! 1-8 in bowl games, disaster in the ACC/SEC Challenge....Disrespect everywhere!!!!

[thebadby2]

You are buying into the false narrative. As mentioned the ACC non conference schedule early in the season was good against other power conferences. Bowl season means nothing outside of the CFP because there are so many opt outs and players entering the portal. If a three loss alabama won the SEC conference championshop game they would not have been the 12 seed and asked to travel to Texas for a first round game. They would have received a bye or at the very least a 5 seed and a home game in first round. And they lost to two 6-6 teams that were terrible. SEC is great at moving the facts around to fit their narrative.

There’s a whole bunch of empirical data that establishes conclusively that the “narrative” about the ACC is far from false.

You’re citing 3 wins by bottom half ACC teams over bottom half B10 teams in August and September in support of your position. Do you think that’s a credible position to take?

And since you mentioned the SEC, you forgot to mention that they are 10-3 against the mighty ACC this season.

 

[ratking17]

I know.....I know but....still. Why isn't it Channel 847 or 848? 856? They are unassigned.

Here in central pa my 847 is nbc philly and 856 is nbc philly+. 848 used to be something but I forget.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Here in central pa my 847 is nbc philly and 856 is nbc philly+. 848 used to be something but I forget.

NBC Sports

 

[thebadby2]

Are people that dumb in 2024 that they can't find a channel on Comcast? My comcast remote has this cool little microphone button. I can say "acc network " and it automatically goes to the channel. Additionally all of my channels have multiple channels on comcast.

This thread is getting funnier as I go. Now posters are actually bitching that the is ACC relegated to a shit position in the Comcast Channel lineup. LMAO

 

[MJG-90]

This thread is getting funnier as I go. Now posters are actually bitching that the is ACC relegated to a shit position in the Comcast Channel lineup. LMAO

I think it’s a legitimate gripe. Not the biggest problem but it definitely points to the ACC being an afterthought. I often scroll through channels looking for something interesting. Guess what, I never stop on ACC network because it’s well outside of my typical scroll window. It’s disrespectful that ESPN has the SEC network positioned in a prime location while the ACC Network is buried up with the Magnolia Network.

 

[ratking17]

I think it’s a legitimate gripe. Not the biggest problem but it definitely points to the ACC being an afterthought. I often scroll through channels looking for something interesting. Guess what, I never stop on ACC network because it’s well outside of my typical scroll window. It’s disrespectful that ESPN has the SEC network positioned in a prime location while the ACC Network is buried up with the Magnolia Network.

How do you guys find pitt when they are on the CW network? That's 805 and really far away from the other sports stations.

 

[thebadby2]

I think it’s a legitimate gripe. Not the biggest problem but it definitely points to the ACC being an afterthought. I often scroll through channels looking for something interesting. Guess what, I never stop on ACC network because it’s well outside of my typical scroll window. It’s disrespectful that ESPN has the SEC network positioned in a prime location while the ACC Network is buried up with the Magnolia Network.

Maybe pictures will make this easier for you to understand:

 

[HailtoPitt]

The only thing that matters is delaying the inevitable, which Phillips seems to be doing pretty well.

 

[bobfree]

The ACC’s biggest mistake was not grabbing a few Big 12 teams right after Texas and Oklahoma bailed, doesn’t really matter which ones, they needed to destabilize the Big 12 to put themselves in the sole spot right below the B1G and SEC.

Really good point

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Biggest issue is ESPN. Especially on football side. The ACC is supposed to have such a great relationship with their main national network but ESPN doesn’t promote and support the conference as much as even the B10…who they don’t even have a TV contract with anymore! Don’t believe me? Go look and see how many times Game Day has been on an ACC campus. Or even on on a site that included an ACC team. It will shock you.

One time this year…ONE! And it was CAL!

And it wasn’t much better last year.

You seem to be misunderstanding the cause and the effect. You think that the cause is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough "love", and the effect of that is that the ACC isn't very good. In reality, it's the opposite. The cause is that the ACC isn't very good. The effect is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough love.

The reason why Game Day doesn't regular go to ACC games is because Game Day mostly goes to one of the biggest games of the day. And ACC teams aren't good enough to be playing in the biggest games of the day. If 9-0 and top 10 Pitt is playing one or two loss top 15 Clemson then ESPN is interested in bringing Game Day to town. When 7-2, unranked and just shit the bed Pitt is playing three loss Clemson, well then not so much.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

I think it’s a legitimate gripe. Not the biggest problem but it definitely points to the ACC being an afterthought. I often scroll through channels looking for something interesting. Guess what, I never stop on ACC network because it’s well outside of my typical scroll window. It’s disrespectful that ESPN has the SEC network positioned in a prime location while the ACC Network is buried up with the Magnolia Network.

That's my point. Alot of bartenders are women, or guys not interested much in sports. Seeing them fumble around my instructions to try and find the ACC Network is frustrating. I know, we are all super fans being on here, so we know where to go and access, but the casual viewer doesn't. Another point, some of the bars just default to certain channels, and again if they have Comcast, I can pretty much guarantee the ACC Network won't be one of them.

 

[ratking17]

That's my point. Alot of bartenders are women, or guys not interested much in sports. Seeing them fumble around my instructions to try and find the ACC Network is frustrating. I know, we are all super fans being on here, so we know where to go and access, but the casual viewer doesn't. Another point, some of the bars just default to certain channels, and again if they have Comcast, I can pretty much guarantee the ACC Network won't be one of them.

Goddamn women bartenders. They ruin it for all of us.

 

[thebadby2]

Goddamn women bartenders. They ruin it for all of us.

LMAO. Ol’ Thurgood’s weird rant just keeps getting weirder.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I thought most bars had DirecTV?

Maybe that's the problem. They're looking for the channel number on Comcast when they actually have DirecTV!

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

You seem to be misunderstanding the cause and the effect. You think that the cause is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough "love", and the effect of that is that the ACC isn't very good. In reality, it's the opposite. The cause is that the ACC isn't very good. The effect is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough love.

The reason why Game Day doesn't regular go to ACC games is because Game Day mostly goes to one of the biggest games of the day. And ACC teams aren't good enough to be playing in the biggest games of the day. If 9-0 and top 10 Pitt is playing one or two loss top 15 Clemson then ESPN is interested in bringing Game Day to town. When 7-2, unranked and just shit the bed Pitt is playing three loss Clemson, well then not so much.

I find it ironic than in the early 2000's pre raid the Big East hosted "Gamedays" as Miami was a perennial #1 and VT was always in the top 10 at least until their November swoons, Pitt, WVU, Syracuse and BC were usually 8 win type teams who were in and out of the top 20. IF.....the Big East went and say got FSU, Clemson and Maryland, what could have happened??

 

[cbpitt2]

Bowl games are exhibitions.

The Chicago Bears were 3-0 in exhibitions this year, playing games with QBs who weren’t their starters…just like plenty of teams playing in these bowls.

No more or less relevant than any bowl game played outside of the playoffs.

Then why do they count on your record? Losers say bowl games are exhibition. If the ACC was 9-1 in bowl games, if Pitt won bowl games, they would be bragging about winning them and not calling them exhibition.

 

[Fk_Pitt]

They count them in the record because that’s the way they’ve always done it. They used to matter. Then they added more and more and more until they were watered down and no one cares. Then players started opting out for the draft. Then players started hitting the portal. Then they added the playoff games that do matter. Coaches leaving, players leaving, players quitting at halftime, etc etc etc. if the games mattered, everyone would treat them like the playoff games. Are any teams playing shorthanded without players or coaches in those games?

Yeah they coach to win on game day. But the entire country treats them as exhibitions the rest of the time.

 

[PittMiamiRivalry]

I am sorry......you got to fire Jim Phillips, the ACC Commissioner. He has been an abject disaster. I know much of this is not directly his fault, but as we have seen in Presidential elections, sometimes the events and results cost elected officials their jobs. The ACC was an aggressor in the 2000's, with the Big East raid, then taking Pitt and Syracuse, but as we joined we got a chance to see behind the curtain a conference really run by hayseeds. The ACC hired Jim Phillips from the Big 10 (Northwestern) but he has almost acted like like a double knot spy for the Big 10/SEC in killing the ACC. Basketball has crashed and burned. Now football is doing the same.

As I said, yeah alot is not his fault but.....................he is the man in charge. You got to fire him and get someone else, just to change momentum, hell karma aka "juju" because Phillips seems to have the reverse Midas touch and everything he does turns to crap.

The ACC has to move on from this guy. It has become a complete embarrassment. And the networks and media and sycophants of the power 2 are preying on this.

Agreed. I didn't believe how bad ACC basketball was until I saw the results of the SEC/ACC challenge and Pitt's game against Mississippi State. What's the problem with the ACC and why, if it's so weak, aren't we walking away with it? Problems everywhere.

 

[jtownknowitall]

I find it ironic than in the early 2000's pre raid the Big East hosted "Gamedays" as Miami was a perennial #1 and VT was always in the top 10 at least until their November swoons, Pitt, WVU, Syracuse and BC were usually 8 win type teams who were in and out of the top 20. IF.....the Big East went and say got FSU, Clemson and Maryland, what could have happened??

The ACC would be called the Big East today? And Rutgers and West Virginia would still be in the Big East. Duke and Georgia Tech might be in the Big Ten.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Speaking of the meaningless exhibition games thing, have you guys caught any of these “Bowl Season” commercials promoting all bowls, specifically referencing the huge number of players that “opt in” and the bowls being “meaningful” to millions of fans, players, coaches etc etc?? Never seen anything like that before. That’s how you know with certainty that the networks are losing bowl viewers by the truckload.

That's the College Football Bowl Association "political action committe." The networks won't lose enough viewers. People will always watch live football.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I guess yes the bowls are exhibitions......1-9, that is 10% and that was Syracuse over a truly decimated Wazzou. I mean East Carolina with an interim coach beat NC State in a rivalry game. UNC lost and lost bad to UConn. We lost to Toledo. Put it another way, if the ACC was 9-1 in bowl games, we all would pounding our chests over it.

As for the Commissioner, no this is not directly his fault. But ACC basketball has never been more lowly regarded, and got bludgeoned by the SEC, and now this.......

You have to move on from Phillips. If anything, he is just bad luck, bad karma. Just awful.

Again, we had a winning record vs the B10 and B12 in the regular season and won some games vs SEC teams. Stop fretting over exhibition games. This isn't ACC Basketball, which truly sucks.

 

[Gep Dawg]

You seem to be misunderstanding the cause and the effect. You think that the cause is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough "love", and the effect of that is that the ACC isn't very good. In reality, it's the opposite. The cause is that the ACC isn't very good. The effect is that ESPN doesn't give the ACC enough love.

The reason why Game Day doesn't regular go to ACC games is because Game Day mostly goes to one of the biggest games of the day. And ACC teams aren't good enough to be playing in the biggest games of the day. If 9-0 and top 10 Pitt is playing one or two loss top 15 Clemson then ESPN is interested in bringing Game Day to town. When 7-2, unranked and just shit the bed Pitt is playing three loss Clemson, well then not so much.

Pitt was 7-0 playing 6-1 SMU. Both teams should have been top 15 but weren’t because media is entirely in back pocket of B2. That game should have been on GameDay but wasn’t. NBC or Fox would never do a pregame show from a conference site they don’t have a TV contract with. It’s hard to beat programs from conferences that get more money and media coverage and attract better players because of it. It’s hard to have better ratings when most of your games are not in the best time slots and on national networks. This false narrative has been going on for years going back to the old Big East in the 1990 and 2000s. People can recite it here all the time despite the plethora of talent and big bowl wins from that era. Doesn’t make it right regardless of the climate today where if everyone starts repeating a narrative enough everyone believes it regardless of how true it is.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Pitt was 7-0 playing 6-1 SMU. Both teams should have been top 15 but weren’t because media is entirely in back pocket of B2. That game should have been on GameDay but wasn’t. NBC or Fox would never do a pregame show from a conference site they don’t have a TV contract with. It’s hard to beat programs from conferences that get more money and media coverage and attract better players because of it. It’s hard to have better ratings when most of your games are not in the best time slots and on national networks. This false narrative has been going on for years going back to the old Big East in the 1990 and 2000s. People can recite it here all the time despite the plethora of talent and big bowl wins from that era. Doesn’t make it right regardless of the climate today where if everyone starts repeating a narrative enough everyone believes it regardless of how true it is.

The week that Pitt played SMU Gameday was at number 4 versus number 3. The fact that you can't figure out why Game Day was there rather than watching us crap the bed is pretty telling.

And the notion that the problem with the old Big East was a false narrative is just as dumb as thinking that the problem with the ACC today is a false narrative. I simply cannot imagine how someone could actually watch college football in 2024 (or in 2010 with the Big East) and think that the league is anywhere close to on par with the best leagues in the country. You really are betraying your ignorance if that's what you really think.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The week that Pitt played SMU Gameday was at number 4 versus number 3. The fact that you can't figure out why Game Day was there rather than watching us crap the bed is pretty telling.

And the notion that the problem with the old Big East was a false narrative is just as dumb as thinking that the problem with the ACC today is a false narrative. I simply cannot imagine how someone could actually watch college football in 2024 (or in 2010 with the Big East) and think that the league is anywhere close to on par with the best leagues in the country. You really are betraying your ignorance if that's what you really think.

3 vs 4 was a Fox game though. Can you imagine Fox's show going to an ESPN game?

 

[Gep Dawg]

The week that Pitt played SMU Gameday was at number 4 versus number 3. The fact that you can't figure out why Game Day was there rather than watching us crap the bed is pretty telling.

And the notion that the problem with the old Big East was a false narrative is just as dumb as thinking that the problem with the ACC today is a false narrative. I simply cannot imagine how someone could actually watch college football in 2024 (or in 2010 with the Big East) and think that the league is anywhere close to on par with the best leagues in the country. You really are betraying your ignorance if that's what you really think.

Sorry parroting the national narrative then or now doesn’t make me ignorant or you in the know. All I know is I would put the talent that came out of the Big East and went to the NFL against any other conference from 1990 to when we left in 2011.

 

[TD_6082]

Lol. The ACC is really weak.

Our champion, Clemson was 0-3 vs the SEC. They were destroyed by UGA & Texas. They also turned out to be the second best team in their state.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Lol. The ACC is really weak.

Our champion, Clemson was 0-3 vs the SEC. They were destroyed by UGA & Texas. They also turned out to be the second best team in their state.

They were down 7 with 10 min left at Texas.

 

[TD_6082]

I am sorry......you got to fire Jim Phillips, the ACC Commissioner. He has been an abject disaster. I know much of this is not directly his fault, but as we have seen in Presidential elections, sometimes the events and results cost elected officials their jobs. The ACC was an aggressor in the 2000's, with the Big East raid, then taking Pitt and Syracuse, but as we joined we got a chance to see behind the curtain a conference really run by hayseeds. The ACC hired Jim Phillips from the Big 10 (Northwestern) but he has almost acted like like a double knot spy for the Big 10/SEC in killing the ACC. Basketball has crashed and burned. Now football is doing the same.

As I said, yeah alot is not his fault but.....................he is the man in charge. You got to fire him and get someone else, just to change momentum, hell karma aka "juju" because Phillips seems to have the reverse Midas touch and everything he does turns to crap.

The ACC has to move on from this guy. It has become a complete embarrassment. And the networks and media and sycophants of the power 2 are preying on this.

The man literally has nothing to work with here.

The ACC literally has only a handful of brands the SEC or Big 10 would have a interest in and they will snatch those up as soon in due time.

Remember how people said the discrepancy in TV money wouldn't really be a factor in on field/court performance? 😂

 

[TD_6082]

They were down 7 with 10 min left at Texas.

They worked their way back from down 21. They couldn't make that 7 point deficit hold for a whole minute before it was back to 14.

Clemson sucks.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

The man literally has nothing to work with here.

The ACC literally has only a handful of brands the SEC or Big 10 would have a interest in and they will snatch those up as soon in due time.

Remember how people said the discrepancy in TV money wouldn't really be a factor in on field/court performance? 😂

I have said one of the biggest issues of the ACC that Wake, Duke, BC, Miami, and now SMU are 5 of the 7 smallest enrollment (size) schools in the P4 conference and Pitt, GT, Stanford and Miami again, are schools in not just NFL markets, but also with dominant state schools that limit fanbases.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

They worked their way back from down 21. They couldn't make that 7 point deficit hold for a whole minute before it was back to 14.

Clemson sucks.

Down 7 in the 4th, you are 1 play away from a tie game. It was a close, competitive game.

 

[cbpitt2]

They count them in the record because that’s the way they’ve always done it. They used to matter. Then they added more and more and more until they were watered down and no one cares. Then players started opting out for the draft. Then players started hitting the portal. Then they added the playoff games that do matter. Coaches leaving, players leaving, players quitting at halftime, etc etc etc. if the games mattered, everyone would treat them like the playoff games. Are any teams playing shorthanded without players or coaches in those games?

Yeah they coach to win on game day. But the entire country treats them as exhibitions the rest of the time.

Listen to yourself. "They count them in the record....." End of discussion.

Losers say they don't matter.

 

[cbpitt2]

I have said one of the biggest issues of the ACC that Wake, Duke, BC, Miami, and now SMU are 5 of the 7 smallest enrollment (size) schools in the P4 conference and Pitt, GT, Stanford and Miami again, are schools in not just NFL markets, but also with dominant state schools that limit fanbases.

How does Notre Dame's enrollment compare?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Sorry parroting the national narrative then or now doesn’t make me ignorant or you in the know. All I know is I would put the talent that came out of the Big East and went to the NFL against any other conference from 1990 to when we left in 2011.

I simply cannot imagine how someone so delusional can function in society.

As I pointed out the other day, in Wanny's last year as Pitt head coach not one team that Pitt played, Big East or non-conference, ended up in the top 25, Not one. But yeah, sure, that conference at that time had just as much talent as any other conference in the country. The only thing that kept one of those Big East team from winning the national championship was the media narrative.

Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

3 vs 4 was a Fox game though. Can you imagine Fox's show going to an ESPN game?

The difference is that Fox's show is nothing more than the pregame show for the game that they are showing at noon that day. ESPN has always held their show out as something different than that, even going back to before they did it on site.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

How does Notre Dame's enrollment compare?

That's purely a national brand. Like a city basically the size of Harrisburg (Green Bay) is one of the most iconic sports franchises and brands.

 

[happjack]

That's purely a national brand. Like a city basically the size of Harrisburg (Green Bay) is one of the most iconic sports franchises and brands.

Notre Dame is only a “national brand” to boomers, no one under 70 cares about them.

 

[ChiefJusticeMarshall]

Notre Dame is only a “national brand” to boomers, no one under 70 cares about them.

Yeah and they have their own TV Network deal. That's an idiotic take by you. Stupid, wrong and immature. You should be embarrassed.

 

[TD_6082]

Down 7 in the 4th, you are 1 play away from a tie game. It was a close, competitive game.

Turned out Clemson was 1 play away from being down 14 again.

Texas was up 18 at halftime.

The game was never in doubt. I guess it was close and competitive when you compare it to the other 3 playoff blowouts, but Clemson was clearly overmatched.

 

[kma0043]

Hopefully Louisville doesn’t pick up
Acc win #2. Most disliked conference opponent we have.