ACC crushing it so far
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I guess it really was the best DL in NCAA history. Clemson DL with 3 of the 1st 18 picks. That's pretty redick.
Definitely do not understand the love for that qb-
But perhaps I’m wrong
He’s essentially mason Rudolph but can’t throw an accurate deep or medium distance ball consistently.
And I wasn’t keen on Rudolph due to his average at best arm . Same with jones.
FIRST ROUND BY STARS (per 247Sports):
5-stars: 8
4-stars: 10
3-stars: 10
2-stars: 2
Not Rated: 2
FIRST ROUND BY HOME STATE:
Florida - 5
North Carolina, Texas - 3
Louisiana, New Jersey, Alabama, Mississippi, Washington - 2
Georgia, Virginia, Iowa, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Deleware, Arizona - 1
5-stars: 8
4-stars: 10
3-stars: 10
2-stars: 2
Not Rated: 2
FIRST ROUND BY HOME STATE:
Florida - 5
North Carolina, Texas - 3
Louisiana, New Jersey, Alabama, Mississippi, Washington - 2
Georgia, Virginia, Iowa, California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Deleware, Arizona - 1
SEC 9
ACC 8 (counting ND)
B1G 7
P12 4
B12 3
AAC 1
SWAC 1
Not much from B12 and P12 territory. The kid from California played at Bama.
In terms of production, I'd put the 1982 Pitt line (Maas, Pelusi, Puzzuoli, Doleman) up against last year's Clemson squad.
Rushing defense
Pitt (1982) 98.5 opponent YPG/2.8 yards per attempt
Clemson (2018): 101.9 YPG/2.7 yards per attempt
Passing defense
Pitt (1982): 146.1 opponent YPG/46% opponent completion rate
Clemson (2018): 189.6 opponent YPG/52.2% opponent completion rate
That year, we played 5 ranked teams -- including three of the Top 5. Last year, Clemson played 4 ranked teams, including #1 & #3.
In the days before ESPN and Internet hype, the Maas-Pelusi-Puzzuoli-Doleman front was a powerhouse.
Basically, if you aren’t located near the South, it’s an uphill battle for you.
Reason 148 why I'm glad Pitt is not in the Big 10.
7 of first 18 picks in 1st round from ACC. Bar is set high. But if you want success, that's the kind of standard you want to strive for.
Plus it's one more thing that helps with the timing for the launch of the ACCN: football NC; men's basketball NC; now loads of high draft picks indicative of the kind of top football talent viewers want to see. Sponsors and carriers LOVE that kind of thing.
guys, im not seeing any big conference advantage. first rd, I have
big 12 - 5
big 10 - 7
SEC - 8
ACC - 7
big 12 - 5
big 10 - 7
SEC - 8
ACC - 7
This is per CBS Sports. Maybe you miscounted?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...l-sec-again-dominates-first-round-selections/
2019 NFL Draft by conference
- SEC -- 9
- ACC -- 7
- Big Ten -- 7
- Big 12 -- 3
- Pac-12 -- 3
- Independent -- 1
- AAC -- 1
- FCS - 1
lol, yeah, i'd go ahead and use their numbers over mine.. how did I miss the big 12 by two?
So you are saying if Pitt were in the Big 10 their recruiting would be worse?The ACC is the reason for Narduzzi recruiting success.
I give Narduzzi credit for adjusting Pitt's recruiting focus and moving their efforts south. It's an uphill battle that hopefully pays dividends.
I think once you're lingering down in the 50's, it really doesn't matter.
Hey I wish Wvu wasn't in the Big 12 too.You think Narduzzi has a tough product to sell try selling the Big 12 to kids.Throw in Holgersen was a terrible HS recruiter I'm shocked our recruiting ratings were equal to Pitts and I'm not bragging about it.Hopefully Brown does a better job than Holgy in recruiting.
I’m probably in the minority here, but honestly, I wish West Virginia was in the ACC instead of Louisville as well. I’d love to have that rivalry in our current conference. It would make it perfect.
I'd love to play Pitt and VA Tech every year but our academics just didn't cut it for the ACC. Wvu does what it was supposed to do for the State of Wva which really hurts our academics.Plus Paco says Wvu has no fanbase,noone comes to the games and noone watches the Mounties on TV is the reason the ACC doesn't want Wvu.
I know you are being sarcastic but conferences don’t give an F about academics nor should they. Anyone that says a school didn’t get into a sports conference because of academic reputation is speaking out of their proverbial ass.
I don't think 9 versus 7 picks (by two conferences,) qualifies as "dominating".
Yeah, I actually like the Louisville fans a lot and it’s a great city. I’ve enjoyed my time there every time we’ve gone there. However, they cheat their balls off and I don’t love that about them.
I know that they are hardly alone in their cheating – even in the ACC. However, they seem especially brazen about it.
I agree. I was clarifying the earlier post comparing the ACC and the B12 as mentioned above.
Counting ND? Even though they’re not, never have been and never will be an ACC football participant?
LMAO. Ohhhhhhhkay there, Tex.
They play half their games against the ACC and are a partial member. Get a conference bowl slot. Weird thing to pick at.
Would you count ND as a B10 team for purposes of drafted players if they had that same arrangement with that league?
I think we both know the answer to that one.
Comparing those stats is ridiculous because the style of the game has changed so much particularly in the passing game.
ND is actually a full member of the ACC, with full exit penalties, voting privileges, and subject to conference by-laws. They just don't participate in football, although, obviously, they play a 5/8ths of a full conference schedule which is entirely controlled by the conference, participate in the ACC's non-Contract bowl selection process, will be fully covered by the ACC Network, and are contractually required to participate in ACC for football if they ever determine to give up football independence (per ACC contract and NCAA bylaws). I also believe ND uses ACC officials for all of their home games, whether or not they are playing an ACC team.
ND's arrangement with ACC football is interesting because all football-participating members of the ACC actually play ND twice as frequently (at least once every 3 years on average) than six of the ACC football-playing schools in the opposite division of the conference (once every 6 years on average). With that fortuitous scheduling arrangement in mind for most of the conference membership that would otherwise never see ND that often (Pitt excluded), particularly if placed in a different division, combined with the fact that there is no threat for ND to ursurp a spot in the conference championship game or an ACC Contract bowl, there isn't a whole lot of incentive for the ACC membership to actually want to change the status quo as long as ND's deal with NBC remains intact. For instance, consider a hypothetical future scenario where ND would be enticed or willing to play a full 8-game ACC conference slate. In such a scenario, you are talking about the conference gaining media rights to, at most, 1 to 2 extra ND games if NBC still controlled ND home game rights (retaining the NBC contract would probably be a required condition of ND hypothetically adding 3 more conference games, assuming the ACC would stay at an 8-game schedule). The extra media cash from including one or two more ND home games in the conference's broadcast package doesn't likely outweigh the disadvantages of having half the number of ND games for marketing ticket sales, at least for half the conference membership that wouldn't get them in their division. Perhaps there would be a prestige incentive for the conference, but there would be a lot of scheduling issues to work out, including the necessity of possibly another non-ND mouth to feed for #16. Perhaps there would be an odd pod arrangement. Regardless, things are working out very well for everyone currently, and there just isn't much incentive for change at this point.
With all that, it is still inaccurate to refer to ND as a "partial member." More accurate would be to refer to them as a "non-football member", although I think an argument could be made they more of an ACC football member than an independent since they play 63% of a full schedule.
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You don't like ND included with the ACC? I mean, that's fine. We can count it however you like if it helps you get through the day.
While all of that about ND is true, I suspect the majority of the country still thinks of ND as being an independent. And more importantly, I suspect ND still thinks of themselves as being independent. They are in a conference only because it is occasionally useful for them. But anybody who thinks that they have their collective heart and soul in the ACC is kidding themselves. ND is using the ACC, nothing more, nothing less.
That said, it seems reasonable to count them as being ACC when tallying up draft picks.
That said, it seems reasonable to count them as being ACC when tallying up draft picks.
They are in a conference for all sports other than football because it is impossible for them not to be in a conference for these other sports. It is also very much a mutually beneficial arrangement.
They are technically and correctly a football independent. Their alumni certainly cling to the idea of football independence as a point of pride (something they used to do for basketball years ago until it no longer was realistically possible). Practically, they are more like a football half-independent. Traditionally, independents had full control over their schedules.
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