Duke 2
Va Tech 7
UNC 8/9
Miami 8/9
ND 10
if Wake should happen to get a bid they’ll be an 11 seed play-in team/@ Dayton
Va Tech 7
UNC 8/9
Miami 8/9
ND 10
if Wake should happen to get a bid they’ll be an 11 seed play-in team/@ Dayton
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I can’t imagine VT gets that type of seed. I’m a little more bearish than you on the other ones.
I’ll guess:
Duke - 2
UNC - 9
Miami - 10/11
VT - 10/11
ND - 12 (Dayton)
Miami’s NET ranking is actually really terrible. Wouldn’t completely surprise if one of ND/Miami is in Dayton and the other is out. I don’t think Wake is even in the first 4 out right now.
You way overseeded VT
Duke 3
UNC 9
Miami 11
VT 11
ND 12 Dayton
Wake 1 (NIT)
Worst year ever for ACC....by far
I won’t argue about Wake; they’re a stretch. And we aren’t far off on the others.
My thought about VT’s seed is based on:
1) their dominant win tonight over Duke
2) their record over the last 15 games
3) ACC champs, although this year that doesn’t count as much. Still, Duke beat both Gonzaga and KY this year, and VT beat Duke handily
Regardless, VT is not a team you’d want to play in the first or second round. As another poster mentioned, only an ice cold shooting night could seal their early fate
Split the difference: VT a 9 seed. Their record since being 2-7 in conference is 13-2
Miami’s NET ranking is in the mid 60s. Everyone has them in though. Sometimes that happens…a team that doesn’t totally fit the metrics but is the committee gonna leave out a team that 98% of people will have in the field?
I could definitely see 1 of Miami or ND getting left out. The league was really bad.
I can also see Indiana or Michigan getting left out. I'd have IU in but I think Michigan is out.
I think Indiana and Michigan are probably both in, Rutgers has a net ranking like 35 spots worse than both of them. They probably miss.
Xavier and Iowa st are the two teams I don’t know what to do with. Both have good net rankings. But they’ve both lost so many games down the stretch. If either of them get in I’m taking their opponent I don’t care who it mid
Play in games will be, just for fun and guessing:
Michigan v Notre Dame (talk about a Marquee matchup)
SMU v Wyoming
I would have Wyoming as my last team in. I think Xavier is out. I think Rutgers first team out. If Texas AM wins tomorrow, move Wyoming out, and move a 2nd ACC team (Miami) to Dayton.
Don’t forget cross country (men and women), volleyball, and wrestling
There’s no way VT is a double-digit seed after their last 2 wins. They have a better profile than Georgia Tech last year and they got a 9 seed.
I’m going to say VT is an 8… 9 at worst.
I’m going to say VT is an 8… 9 at worst.
You dont go from Dayton to an 8 seed based on beating Duke. Had VT lost, they either dont make the NCAAT or are in Dayton. 1 win doesn't catapult them 3-4 lines. No way. They won't be higher than 11.
They blew out UNC and Duke on consecutive nights and it happens every year that the major conference tourney winners get a decent seed bump.
Right. #2 is a very important point that the committee looks at. They’re hot.
The Colley Rankings have the ACC behind the Mountain West and jusssst ahead of the AAC. This is why I still reject the "P6" concept in college hoops. Its not a permanent caste system like it de facto is in football.
Uh UNC is a tourney team and it’s a Quad 1 win. It certainly will help them improve their seed.
Pretty sure they claim to have completely removed all recency elements from the selection and seeding criteria. So they say...
If Sagarin's computer was used for selection and seeding--I Know They Are Not--(results including yesterday's games) here is what it might look like for the ACC:
BASED ON FULL SEASON'S RATINGS
11-- Duke---------------------3 seed
26--North Carolina---------7 seed
27--Virginia Tech------------7 seed
47--Wake Forest------------12 seed
55--Notre Dame------------14 seed
64--Miami-Florida---------16 seed
BASED ON "RECENT" RATINGS
8--Virginia Tech-----------2 seed
27--Duke---------------------7 seed
29--North Carolina-------8 seed
47--Miami------------------12 seed
62--Notre Dame----------16 seed
106--Wake Forest---------Not selected
Might the committee add extra weight to Virginia Tech's 2nd half of season and ACC tourney results and make them a perhaps a 5-seed? Might they make Duke lower than a 3-seed? Any chance Wake gets in?
BASED ON FULL SEASON'S RATINGS
11-- Duke---------------------3 seed
26--North Carolina---------7 seed
27--Virginia Tech------------7 seed
47--Wake Forest------------12 seed
55--Notre Dame------------14 seed
64--Miami-Florida---------16 seed
BASED ON "RECENT" RATINGS
8--Virginia Tech-----------2 seed
27--Duke---------------------7 seed
29--North Carolina-------8 seed
47--Miami------------------12 seed
62--Notre Dame----------16 seed
106--Wake Forest---------Not selected
Might the committee add extra weight to Virginia Tech's 2nd half of season and ACC tourney results and make them a perhaps a 5-seed? Might they make Duke lower than a 3-seed? Any chance Wake gets in?
If Virginia Tech ends up an 11 seed, like some are speculating here, and they get the right draw, we could see the first time ever in an NCAA tournament that an 11 seed is the favorite in their first round game.
As an example, ESPN has Virginia Tech as a ten seed playing seven seed Ohio State in the first round. If that happens, don't be surprised when Virginia Tech is the favorite.
And after they defeat the #6 seed, they might also be favored - or a push - against the #3 in the second round
I agree, would make Va Tech around a 1.5 point favorite.
Some were still dissing Virginia Tech today. Jerry Palm commented that Virginia Tech stole a bid from some other team (e.g. SMU) and that they wouldn’t even be in the NCAA tournament if they hadn’t beaten Duke yesterday.
Maybe he comes to that conclusion solely based on Tech's full season body of work without giving them any extra boost based on their second half of season level of performance? We do know that the NCAA uses late season performance to discriminate between teams with similar W-L season records.
Does anyone else think Virginia Tech wouldn't have an NCAA bid had they lost to Duke in the ACCT final? Didn't they do enough 2nd part od season and just making the ACC final?
Maybe he comes to that conclusion solely based on Tech's full season body of work without giving them any extra boost based on their second half of season level of performance? We do know that the NCAA uses late season performance to discriminate between teams with similar W-L season records.
Does anyone else think Virginia Tech wouldn't have an NCAA bid had they lost to Duke in the ACCT final? Didn't they do enough 2nd part od season and just making the ACC final?
We’ll know in a few short hours whether the Committee feels the same
I wondered that, too; I almost started a post before last night’s final to ask “if VT loses do they get a bid?” My thought was yes; probably an 11/12 maybe a play-in.
I may have been too generous with a 7 seed, but compared to other teams they certainly deserve it. I’m guessing 7 is the highest spot; 9 more likely. Based on who they’d play in Round 2 (assuming a first round win), VT should hope for a 7 or an 11. The winner of 8/9 has to play a 1 in the 2nd round …
As it turns out, I had VT over-seeded. As stated on the selection show, if VT hadn’t won vs Duke they’d have been in the NIT (guessing).
I did hit the others pretty spot on, but that wasn’t as tough. Still, a poor showing for the ACC. A 2, an 8, a 10, and 2 11’s with one of the 11’s (ND) a play-in game
Despite the seed, VT got a good draw. They could do well in their bracket as both Texas and Purdue are beatable. Plus, the venue doesn’t favor either Texas or Purdue
Kansas looked like they got a favorable bracket
Let the madness begin!
I did hit the others pretty spot on, but that wasn’t as tough. Still, a poor showing for the ACC. A 2, an 8, a 10, and 2 11’s with one of the 11’s (ND) a play-in game
Despite the seed, VT got a good draw. They could do well in their bracket as both Texas and Purdue are beatable. Plus, the venue doesn’t favor either Texas or Purdue
Kansas looked like they got a favorable bracket
Let the madness begin!
Texas will be playing an 11 seed that may actually be closer in strength to that of a 2-3 seed in terms of 2nd half of season performance. They can’t be very happy.
Yea, I was right. You dont jump 3-4 lines based on winning 1 neutral court game. I wouldn't want to play VT though.
Six seed Texas is a one point favorite over 11 seed Virginia Tech. Which tells you all you need to know about whether or not Virginia Tech is seeded properly.
Where would you have seeded them? I agree they are a Top 25 type so they are about as good as 5,6,7 seeds but their resume doesn't say that. They have to take into account the entire season.
BTW, I believe there were a few 11s favored over 6s in the past. And I swear there was a 12 favored over a 5 about 10-15 years ago.
If they are as good as a 5,6,7 seed then they should be seeded like a 5,6,7 seed. There should NEVER be a time (other than because of injury) that a lower seed should be favored over a higher seed. Maybe an 8-9 game, because those teams are all the same anyway, and it makes no difference if you are an 8 or a 9 other than your jersey color. But the whole idea of seeding a tournament is that the better teams get the higher seeds. If that isn't what you are doing then you aren't really seeding a tournament, you are manipulating the tournament.
BTW, 4 seed Providence is only a 2-1/2 point favorite over 13 seed South Dakota State. Another failure on the part of the committee. Number 11 Michigan is a 2-1/2 point favorite over number 6 Colorado State. Failure. Number 7 Ohio State is a one point underdog against number 10 Loyola. Failure. This really isn't as hard as some of these people would like the average fan to believe.
If you want to have Vegas seed the tournament, I can live with that. You take resume completely out of it and let them determine who the best teams are. I don't think that's as fun or maybe as fair as a team's resume but in some ways it works better. Those old Pitt teams which weren't "sexy" may have been seeded as a 5 or 6 instead of a 2 or 3 if Vegas did it. Fair? You say so. I don't know.
I did pick South Dakota State but didn't realize they were only a 2.5 point dog.
Again, what makes this scary is that Sagarin’s computer predicts anywhere from Texas by about 2 (0verall rating) to Virginia Tech by 7 (Recent rating). If I were a gambler I wouldn’t bet on this game.
So to summarize the historically down acc got 5 teams and the smf juggernaut sec got 6.
Cool cool
Cool cool
SEC: 43% of teams
ACC: 33% of teams
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