According to ESPN's Andrea Adelson, Orlando is already making a pitch
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Good, after seeing the recent renovations, that's the most sensible spot. I like it. The capacity, just over 60K, is reasonable. The location is good. I like it.
the one place my wife might let me go if we make it. send her and the brats to whatever place they want to go that charges you 200 bucks to stand in lines.
"People trap built by a mouse" ...best definition I've ever seen to describe Disney.
according to the FSU board
Saw that report that the ACC reached out already to Orlando, but high school football championships are already there that weekend.
Saw that report that the ACC reached out already to Orlando, but high school football championships are already there that weekend.
No it's not. The attendance at the game for both Jacksonville and Tampa was horrible. Charlotte is clearly the best place for the game.
FYI they are not having the game in Charlotte. You probably should have received a "Breaking News" text/alert of some sort.
Florida is too far away from most of the league. I guess if they wait a couple weeks to see if Louisville loses to FSU and Clemson, they can assure themselves of Clem or FSU being in the game and traveling many fans but it sure would not be fair for a team like Pitt and its fans to make a championship game and an easy 7 hour drive turns into a plane ride which most fans arent going to do.
There is never going to be a "perfect" location. One school or another will feel "slighted" somehow. Orlando would be a reasonable location considering the supply of accommodations, ease of travel from all points around the ACC, and the ancillary attractions that could entice fans from all ACC members to attend.
Let's just hope we Pitt fans are in the enviable position of complaining about the location to see our Panthers in the ACCCG. Until then...let's focus on Oklahoma St.
It would be a nice middle finger to Maryland and the Fat 10 if they held it in DC and there was a big turnout.
No one wants to fly to Orlando three weeks before Christmas when that money is needed for other things when DC can be done in a day by the fanbases of Pitt, UNC, VT, and probably Clemson.
That may be true. But DC in December isn't going to thrill the corporate sponsors.
DC lobbying offices in December and a 4 day weekend Orlando vacation in December are two totally different things. If you want to continue the argument be my guest. But there is a reason why Bowl games, Super Bowls, major industry conferences, and other events of the like populate sunbelt cities.
I think a lot of people would prefer Orlando. And people that worried about budget probably aren't going no matter where it is.
Outside of Disney, Orlando is a dump. And the point is moot because Camping World Stadium is already taken that weekend.
Brett McMurphy just tweeted that Orlando is the favorite to host the ACC Championship game and is meeting with ACC officials this week.
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 18h18 hours ago
ACC football title game leaving North Carolina, most likely headed to Orlandohttp://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17547270/acc-moving-neutral-site-championship-games-north-carolina-due-hb2…
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Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN 19h19 hours ago
Orlando is prohibitive favorite as new host of ACC title game, sources told @ESPN. They will meet w/ACC officials on Thursday
Actually, it's not moot as the Citrus Bowl Authority (or whatever in the heck it is called these days) has the ability to amend the contract with the Florida HS Athletic Association.
Orlando is the only viable option.
Process of elimination:
Miami: No way. They hate sports and its not driveable from anywhere
Tampa/Jax: terrible attendance though they didn't get great matchups
Atlanta: SEC
DC: RFK sucks
Maryland: sorry but no way is the ACC going to contribute the MD economy by having a championship game in Landover. Better chance of the Wolvarena hosting the game.
Philly, NYC: too cold, too far from Clem/FSU
So, Orlando it is.
Process of elimination:
Miami: No way. They hate sports and its not driveable from anywhere
Tampa/Jax: terrible attendance though they didn't get great matchups
Atlanta: SEC
DC: RFK sucks
Maryland: sorry but no way is the ACC going to contribute the MD economy by having a championship game in Landover. Better chance of the Wolvarena hosting the game.
Philly, NYC: too cold, too far from Clem/FSU
So, Orlando it is.
I will be at an ACC Championship game no matter where its played. My point is that for the "average Pitt fan," they arent going to spend $200 per ticket for a family of 4 plus a couple hundred bucks to rent a car. You're over a grand right there for a weekend trip. If in Charlotte, the entire league can drive to the game. That's a huge deal.
Yeah, I know that. What I'm telling you is, Florida is a horrible location for the CCG. That has already been proven. The only good place for the game is Charlotte. That's what it's such a stupid idea to move it. Moving the CCG will just be a detriment to the game, nothing more.
Orlando doesn't have any kind of ease of travel around the ACC. Putting the game anywhere in Florida will be horrible for the game, unless Florida St makes it.
That's utterly ridiculous. I doubt you've ever had to spend much time traveling. Orlando is serviced by one of the easier airports for inbound/outbound traffic. If ground transportation is your preference, plenty of people drive to Orlando from Pittsburgh. I'm quite certain driving it from the more southern areas of the conference is hardly an impossible task. To say that Orlando isn't easy to get to is really silly.
Orlando is not Tampa or Jacksonville though.
Orlando is a city that has airports with service from --- well --- basically everywhere.
Shoot, just for cities in and literally right next door to the Commonwealth of Kentucky (the Louisville fanbase): you can fly non-stop to Orlando from Cincinnati, Evansville, Louisville, Lexington, Huntington, Owensboro, and Paducah. 7 cities. Even Washington DC only covers 3 of those 7.
If FSU, Miami, GT or Clemson makes it to the ACC title game, those fans will drive to Orlando. For everyone else, Orlando is a longer (but not impossible) car drive, but if it is to be done by air, hardly inconvenient.
Charlotte was the best location since it was drivable for most. But since North Carolina wanted to appease the fundamentalists.....
Orlando likely is the next best option. If you're stuck having to fly there, it is rather accessible.
Orlando likely is the next best option. If you're stuck having to fly there, it is rather accessible.
It should be played at one of the School's that make the ACC Championship Game and exempt any School in North Carolina, only if two North Carolina Schools should get in should it be moved to another Venue.
This way you have way bigger Attendance in most cases. The ACC Champ Game has not been a big sell out no matter where it is played. FSU, Clemson and ULou Fans will come out but if plays at one of the Schools that makes the Champ Game it should go to the School that has not been there last time.
This way you have way bigger Attendance in most cases. The ACC Champ Game has not been a big sell out no matter where it is played. FSU, Clemson and ULou Fans will come out but if plays at one of the Schools that makes the Champ Game it should go to the School that has not been there last time.
Prove your point you idiot! I live in the heart of the city and it's the cleanest big city you'll ever see in your life! Great jobs, great weather, paved roads, every type of activity possible, beautiful women, no state tax, beaches 35 minutes away....should I keep going? Not to mention more amusement parks per capita than any city in the world. Oh and it's nicknamed the City Beautiful for a reason! So let me hear your rebuttal.
The only thing utterly ridiculous is your post. The ease of travel that you are referring to is not what is at issue here. Orlando is at the far end of the conference footprint. Whether you fly or drive, it's going to be more expensive and time-consuming than if you made the same trip to a more centralized location. That is the issue here. The reason Charlotte was such a good location for the ACC was that is was more centralized for most of the schools. Most possible matchups in the CCG offered both participants a fairly short trip. That's why the attendance improved dramatically when the game was moved to Charlotte.
You are also overlooking another issue. The ACC doesn't exactly have the most rabid fan bases in the world. Getting fans from Virginia or Louisville (much less Pittsburgh or Boston College) to travel in droves to Orlando for the CCG is a tall order. Charlotte and the surrounding area also had the advantage of being home to a lot of local fans/alumni of other schools, like UVA, Clemson, VT, Georgia Tech (not to mention the in-state schools). You had more local interest in the game than in Orlando.
It doesn't matter if Orlando is not Tampa or Jacksonville. You guys keep making an issue of the airport, and that's simply not the compelling factor. When Jacksonville and Tampa had poor attendance, it wasn't because of the "airport." It was because those locations were on the outer edge of the conference footprint, and there wasn't as large a group of local fans as there are in a more central location (i.e. Charlotte). The reason Jacksonville and Tampa had such problems is that you had teams like Virginia Tech and Boston College playing a game in Florida. No local interest in those teams, and a long trip for the fans of the teams.
Really, only Florida St (and maybe Miami) are good draws in Florida, yes even Orlando. Georgia Tech and Clemson actually both played in the 2009 CCG, and only drew 44,000. That wasn't horrendous (compared to the BC/VT games), but it wasn't great either. By comparison, just 2 years before, Clemson drew 40,000 in Charlotte for a regular season game against Temple. It wasn't because of the airport that the game didn't draw well. It's because the ACC made the mistake of putting the game on the ass end of the conference footprint.
Not trying to knock your school, but you won't. The numbers simply don't add up. If Clemson and Georgia Tech can't get a good crowd in Florida, Pitt won't either.
Part of the reason Clemson & Georgia Tech got a crummy attendance that one year in Tampa is that neither one was even close to being elite. It was #10 vs. #25, and both teams had crapped the bed in their regular season-ending rivalry against an SEC team the week before.
Neither fan base was energized for the game. That was the primary factor, NOT Tampa.
There are A LOT of factors that go into attendance. Shoot, even for the 6 Charlotte games, attendance has not been steady: it has ranged anywhere from 64K to 74K. Not coincidentally, for the Charlotte game with the highest attendance (last year), that game featured a team that was ranked #1. Not coincidentally either, for the Charlotte game with the lowest attendance (2012), that game had no team ranked higher than #12 (every other Charlotte game had a higher-ranked team).
If the ACC Championship Game is #1 Louisville vs. #2 Pittsburgh, that game will sell out if it is played in Orlando, Jacksonville, Washington DC, Philadelphia or Laramie, Wyoming. Likewise, if the ACC Championship Game is #16 Florida State vs. #19 Virginia --- well, attendance simply isn't going to be good.
1) other than the Florida Gators for the NCAA tournament game in Orlando. Pitt had the most fans I think Pitt if they make it will have a decent showing.
2) the high school championship games will be moved to Daytona or ucf stadium it's already been discussed. AAC championship is played at the top teams stadium so not sure if ucf will put up its stadium and forfeit their season by doing this. Unless they lose soon.
3) Orlando is a great place for all kinds of people from those who want to go to Disney universal sea world etc or head east or west to the beach. Airport easy in and out hell even Sanford just north of Orlando has non top flights to Harrisburg. I could go on but will wait for an announcement etc to talk more about Orlando.
2) the high school championship games will be moved to Daytona or ucf stadium it's already been discussed. AAC championship is played at the top teams stadium so not sure if ucf will put up its stadium and forfeit their season by doing this. Unless they lose soon.
3) Orlando is a great place for all kinds of people from those who want to go to Disney universal sea world etc or head east or west to the beach. Airport easy in and out hell even Sanford just north of Orlando has non top flights to Harrisburg. I could go on but will wait for an announcement etc to talk more about Orlando.
