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Alabama ZERO OPT OUTS for meaningless Non-Playoff, Bowl Game

Seems to me there’s a big difference between opting out to transfer as opposed to opting out to move onto to the NGL or other life’s work.


How so? Guys who opt out to transfer aren't playing. Guys who opt out for the NFL aren't playing. It's different from the perspective of the players, but from the perspective of the schools and the fans and the people watching the games it's exactly the same. Players who could be playing are not.

What difference does it make why Abanikanda or Slovis wasn't playing yesterday? Their reasons were different, but the effect was exactly the same.
 
How so? Guys who opt out to transfer aren't playing. Guys who opt out for the NFL aren't playing. It's different from the perspective of the players, but from the perspective of the schools and the fans and the people watching the games it's exactly the same. Players who could be playing are not.

What difference does it make why Abanikanda or Slovis wasn't playing yesterday? Their reasons were different, but the effect was exactly the same.
You’re conceding that it’s different from the perspective of the players.

From the perspective of the coaches and fans I’ll offer up the generalization that players opting out to prepare for the NFL were likely successful and key players on their team. Players opting out because they’re transferring to another school are more likely to not be happy with their current school and that’s often because they weren’t as successful at their current school, or were not key players like the guys preparing for the NFL.
 
You’re conceding that it’s different from the perspective of the players.


Sure, and if you are one of them you get a pass.

What's that? You're just a fan like myself and everyone else here? Oh. Well then to you (and I, and everyone else) there really isn't any difference at all. A guy who could be playing, is not.
 
Sure, and if you are one of them you get a pass.

What's that? You're just a fan like myself and everyone else here? Oh. Well then to you (and I, and everyone else) there really isn't any difference at all. A guy who could be playing, is not.
I don’t understand your reply. I gave a reason why it makes a difference to coaches and fans. My supposition…Players opting out because they’re preparing for the NFL represent a bigger loss to their team than players opting out because they want to transfer to another school.
 
I don’t understand your reply. I gave a reason why it makes a difference to coaches and fans. My supposition…Players opting out because they’re preparing for the NFL represent a bigger loss to their team than players opting out because they want to transfer to another school.


So if Slovis opted out for the draft and Izzy opted out to transfer to BYU, how would that have been different from a Pitt fan perspective? Is it OK that Slovis opted out because he's transferring and not OK that Izzy opted out because he's going to the NFL, or is it the other way around?
 
I guess they have nobody on their roster who will be a high NFL draft pick that should not play to avoid risk of injury.
Did anybody who opted out actually say it was due to the risk of injury?

Every Pitt player I saw quoted said they were preparing for the NFL combine. It makes sense for all of them as a good combine performance will improve their draft position.
 
If players are transferring, coaches really do not want to train them or play them. Totally different from players who quit on their team like Pitt players do.
Stupid. College students are preparing for their next step in life. Making the best decision for that step is not quitting. It is smart.
 
So if Slovis opted out for the draft and Izzy opted out to transfer to BYU, how would that have been different from a Pitt fan perspective? Is it OK that Slovis opted out because he's transferring and not OK that Izzy opted out because he's going to the NFL, or is it the other way around?
I was waiting for you to come up with that very specific example. But like I said in my first reply, I offered up the ‘generalization’ of the difference in quality levels of the 2 different player opt-out types. I’ll stand by that generalization being very appropriate.
 
I was waiting for you to come up with that very specific example. But like I said in my first reply, I offered up the ‘generalization’ of the difference in quality levels of the 2 different player opt-out types. I’ll stand by that generalization being very appropriate.


Well then answer the question. Which one of those is OK and which one is the problem? Some people seem to think that one is OK and the other is not. I'm asking what you think. Is what Slovis did OK and what Abanikanda did not, or is what Slovis did not OK but what Izzy did just fine?
 
So y'all just make stuff up to fit your narrative. Got it.


Or, just hear me out here, it is possible, just possible mind you, that sometimes people don't make public every reason for every decision that they make. Especially if there is a reason to not do so.

Nah, you're right, it can't be that. Every player who has ever left any school has always publicly stated exactly why they were doing what they were doing. Yeah, that's it.
 
Or, just hear me out here, it is possible, just possible mind you, that sometimes people don't make public every reason for every decision that they make. Especially if there is a reason to not do so.

Nah, you're right, it can't be that. Every player who has ever left any school has always publicly stated exactly why they were doing what they were doing. Yeah, that's it.
Is it possible, just possible, that the absence of any facts about the motivation of the players who opt causes stupid reactions from stupid people?

Oh wait, there are facts. The players actually made statements that contradict the stupid people. So the stupid people just made up their own narrative.
 
Is it possible, just possible, that the absence of any facts about the motivation of the players who opt causes stupid reactions from stupid people?

Oh wait, there are facts. The players actually made statements that contradict the stupid people. So the stupid people just made up their own narrative.


So you think that every time anyone makes a decision that they publicly state every reason for exactly why they made that decision? Seriously?

Yeah, there certainly is someone stupid here. If you look in the mirror you'll get a real good look at him.
 
I guess they have nobody on their roster who will be a high NFL draft pick that should not play to avoid risk of injury.
OR, they have a bunch of young men who are fulfilling the commitment they made to Alabama, Nick Saban and each other.
 
Is it possible, just possible, that the absence of any facts about the motivation of the players who opt causes stupid reactions from stupid people?

Oh wait, there are facts. The players actually made statements that contradict the stupid people. So the stupid people just made up their own narrative.
My personal favorite is making room for the younger guys.
 
Alabama gets them huge insurance policies and many of their players are paid more than the NFL minimum. Let’s just say that they have incentive to play and it is not for the love of the university.
Doesn’t change the fact they can still opt out but chose to play instead.
 
So you think that every time anyone makes a decision that they publicly state every reason for exactly why they made that decision? Seriously?

Yeah, there certainly is someone stupid here. If you look in the mirror you'll get a real good look at him.
I choose to make my judgments on known facts and not on something I think a person may be hiding.

It seems you choose to disbelieve known facts and make up your own.

So be it.
 
How so? Guys who opt out to transfer aren't playing. Guys who opt out for the NFL aren't playing. It's different from the perspective of the players, but from the perspective of the schools and the fans and the people watching the games it's exactly the same. Players who could be playing are not.

What difference does it make why Abanikanda or Slovis wasn't playing yesterday? Their reasons were different, but the effect was exactly the same.
Nonsense response. Players transferring are either nonstarters or or bad teammates. They are leaving for a reason and they are not wanted or needed for these games. Slovis was not wanted by the coaches and not needed. Abanikanka was wanted by his teammates/coaches and needed, but he quit on his team just like Kenny did last year. A big difference between the two.
 
Nonsense response. Players transferring are either nonstarters or or bad teammates. They are leaving for a reason and they are not wanted or needed for these games. Slovis was not wanted by the coaches and not needed. Abanikanka was wanted by his teammates/coaches and needed, but he quit on his team just like Kenny did last year. A big difference between the two.
Sam Hartman is a nonstarter or bad teammate?
 
Get the eff out of here. They played because they either had to or had massive insurance policies. There players like money the same as everyone else.
No one has to play. Alabama players chose to be part of their team and played while others just quit on their teammates, coaches, and fans. Last year Kenny was offered a huge insurance policy. He still quit on his team. UCLA players played. Why was that?
 
Sam Hartman played. That totally goes against your argument. His coaches wanted him to play and he wanted to play and not be a quitter.
I’m not arguing anything, you were the one that said players transferring were either non starters or bad teammates, those were your exact words.
 
Not understanding your reply here, Sam Hartman played?
He did, but the posters comment was players transferring are nonstarters or bad teammates. As it turned out Hartman was decent, but had he played poorly people would say he didnt care because he was leaving anyway.
 
He did, but the posters comment was players transferring are nonstarters or bad teammates. As it turned out Hartman was decent, but had he played poorly people would say he didnt care because he was leaving anyway.
We were talking about transferring players who do not play, not those that do play!
 
Few opt outs.

Not sure if he opted out or was asked to not play since he was transferring.
Lol. Not at you, but Duzz practically spits while uttering anything relating to the QB and/or his leadership this season.
 
I choose to make my judgments on known facts and not on something I think a person may be hiding.

It seems you choose to disbelieve known facts and make up your own.

So be it.


People like you are a PR flack's wet dream.

"Well it was in a statement that someone released, so it must be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I mean they put those people under oath before they put those statements out, don't they?"
 
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People like you are a PR flack's wet dream.

"Well it was in a statement that someone released, so it must be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I mean they put those people under oath before they put those statements out, don't they?"
People like you are misinformation in human form, someone who makes stuff up from thin air that contradicts the direct statements of the subjects.

FYI, I don't believe a single Pitt player opted out due to fear of injury. Seemingly, you think they all did.
 
FYI, I don't believe a single Pitt player opted out due to fear of injury. Seemingly, you think they all did.


Another thing that you are just making up in your mind to justify your ignorance. I never said any such thing as all the Pitt players opted out due to fear of injury. What I said, and I'll repeat it for you again so that maybe you can get it this time (this seems to be a recurring theme) is that players opt out for various reasons, and sometimes fear of injury is a part of that. Sometimes a big part and sometimes a small part.

But just because someone doesn't come out and say that they are opting out because they don't want to get injured before they start their draft preparations doesn't mean that that isn't a part of their thinking. You can't seriously believe that it isn't at least a part of some players thought process. You can't really be that dumb.
 
All I said was that the Bama players played the game, Bryce Young a projected #1 pick was out there when they where leading by 30 in the 4th quarter. I like that. But most of you take it as a direct criticism of Pitt players that didn't play. And that's what bother you right? Am I not allowed to say that I PREFER WHAT YOUNG AND BAMA PLAYERS DID? I do. Was it smart? Maybe not. But yeah, I PREFER IT. So, what, Kenny and the Panthers can sit out, it was their choice, it's not my business, but am I not allowed to have a preference?
 
Another thing that you are just making up in your mind to justify your ignorance. I never said any such thing as all the Pitt players opted out due to fear of injury. What I said, and I'll repeat it for you again so that maybe you can get it this time (this seems to be a recurring theme) is that players opt out for various reasons, and sometimes fear of injury is a part of that. Sometimes a big part and sometimes a small part.

But just because someone doesn't come out and say that they are opting out because they don't want to get injured before they start their draft preparations doesn't mean that that isn't a part of their thinking. You can't seriously believe that it isn't at least a part of some players thought process. You can't really be that dumb.
Let me repeat what I said since you seem to ignore it.

You're making it up. You have zero proof of your allegation.

I'm that dumb - because I don't think a fb player worries about the risk of injury ... or he wouldn't play football at all.
 
All I said was that the Bama players played the game, Bryce Young a projected #1 pick was out there when they where leading by 30 in the 4th quarter. I like that. But most of you take it as a direct criticism of Pitt players that didn't play. And that's what bother you right? Am I not allowed to say that I PREFER WHAT YOUNG AND BAMA PLAYERS DID? I do. Was it smart? Maybe not. But yeah, I PREFER IT. So, what, Kenny and the Panthers can sit out, it was their choice, it's not my business, but am I not allowed to have a preference?
Have all the preferences you want. Just don't cast disparaging remarks at players without basis.
 
Bowls need to pay the players. If you are a player on the winning team, then you get 10k and a player on the losing team gets 2k. Lesser bowls could pay a little less and bigger bowls a little more.
 
Let me repeat what I said since you seem to ignore it.

You're making it up. You have zero proof of your allegation.

I'm that dumb - because I don't think a fb player worries about the risk of injury ... or he wouldn't play football at all.
Joe’s looking like a fool trying to make his case based solely on his speculations.
 
I gotta laugh at these idiots saying that they need another 2 weeks to prep for the combine. I'm picturing Rocky Balboa traveling to the frozen hinterlands of the old Soviet Union ala Ricky IV to work himself half to death to prepare for a 40-yard sprint that every American child grows up doing from kindergarten, then the even more challenging "jump up in the air" test (that my 2-year-old niece seems to really enjoy) and of course last but not least, the mental gymnastics of the Wunderlich.

I'm sure these morons are paying tens of thousands of dollars for this "training" that I'm sure isn't being kicked back to the NFL in any way because we all know that its what these fools do in their underwear over a couple days that helps their stock not what they've done between the whistles for years.
 
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