Among the civilized....

[cabanis]

A couple years ago, we discussed how police in Iceland killed a man for the first time in history and compared that remarkable record to our own level of police shootings. This week we have another stark contrast out of Norway where police fired only two shots in 2014. They brandished firearms on just 42 occasions in 2014. Their highest rate was only 75 such incidents in 2005 and 2010.


In 2011 when the country was faced with the Utøya terror attacks,the Norwegian police only fired one shot.

Clearly, there are major differences in population and crime rates, but the United States has been criticized for a greater use of lethal force in some circumstances. Even for a small state, the firing of just two shots in a year would be considered astonishing in the United States.

- Jonathanturley.org

 

[paulbl99]

A couple years ago, we discussed how police in Iceland killed a man for the first time in history and compared that remarkable record to our own level of police shootings. This week we have another stark contrast out of Norway where police fired only two shots in 2014. They brandished firearms on just 42 occasions in 2014. Their highest rate was only 75 such incidents in 2005 and 2010.


In 2011 when the country was faced with the Utøya terror attacks,the Norwegian police only fired one shot.

Clearly, there are major differences in population and crime rates, but the United States has been criticized for a greater use of lethal force in some circumstances. Even for a small state, the firing of just two shots in a year would be considered astonishing in the United States.

- Jonathanturley.org

would be nice to live in the Coke commercial of perfect harmony....

But with our culture it ain't gonna happen...

This has always been a somewhat violent country.....even before democrats made it worse

 

[NTOP]

A couple years ago, we discussed how police in Iceland killed a man for the first time in history and compared that remarkable record to our own level of police shootings. This week we have another stark contrast out of Norway where police fired only two shots in 2014. They brandished firearms on just 42 occasions in 2014. Their highest rate was only 75 such incidents in 2005 and 2010.


In 2011 when the country was faced with the Utøya terror attacks,the Norwegian police only fired one shot.

Clearly, there are major differences in population and crime rates, but the United States has been criticized for a greater use of lethal force in some circumstances. Even for a small state, the firing of just two shots in a year would be considered astonishing in the United States.

- Jonathanturley.org

No Muslims there. No Crips, Bloods, Hell's Angels or Pagans. No illegals. Thanks for posting more evidence of your hatred of America.

 

[deepelemblues]

Ah yes, the paradise of Norway, where the population is 99.8% vampire white and it's cold as f*ck for 8 months out of the year with the other 4 not exactly being sunny southern California either. Ethnic diversity and weather have nothing to do with crime of course. That's why Chicago has no violent crime in August.

It's kind of weird how the Turleys of the world keep pointing to the countries that are living examples of the volkisch ideal as models for the most diverse country on the planet to emulate. Norway is also nominally 80%+ Lutheran, with the Germanic cultural heritage of obedience to authority that goes back to the pre-Christian days when everyone got to vote for the Chief but then were expected to render him total obedience.

Weird how Norway's only significant non-white population are about 40,000 Somali immigrants, who have rioted several times way worse than any riots seen in the US since Crown Heights and Rodney King. I wonder why they do that in a country 99.8% white... maybe Turley should look into that.

Also nothing to be proud of that only one shot was fired against Anders Brievik. He killed 77 people. Nice one there Turley, it's a good thing the mass murderer only had one bullet come his way while he killed 77 people. The US should look into that fine example of Norwegian police use of force.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Not sure I buy the diversity creates violence meme..
Since most murder their own race, overwhelmingly.

Though that seems to be missing the actual point regarding police Using lethal force either way.

 

[HailtoPitt]

But we have FREEDOM.

 

[NCPitt]

But we have FREEDOM.

And gun freedom grows by the day. It's the lone beacon in a dark world of less freedom.

 

[HailtoPitt]

And gun freedom grows by the day. It's the lone beacon in a dark world of less freedom.

Right on! Thousands of gun deaths each year is much better than 1 or 2 because of... FREEDOM!

 

[NCPitt]

Right on! Thousands of gun deaths each year is much better than 1 or 2 because of... FREEDOM!

Yep. Better get on board before you become a victim. After all, its those crazy right wing gun-toters that kill people, right?

 

[NCPitt]

Yep. Better get on board before you become a victim. After all, its those crazy right wing gun-toters that kill people, right?

Don't you think that 1 million casualties in the war of northern aggression is acceptable because of...FREEDOM?

 

[HailtoPitt]

Don't you think that 1 million casualties in the war of northern aggression is acceptable because of...FREEDOM?

I don't equate tougher gun laws with slavery. Only a moron would do that.

 

[NCPitt]

I don't equate tougher gun laws with slavery. Only a moron would do that.

The issue was freedom, goofy. Stay focused here.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The issue was freedom, goofy. Stay focused here.

Right, and you are suggesting that enacting tougher gun laws is a comparable lack of freedom to that of a slave.

 

[NCPitt]

Right, and you are suggesting that enacting tougher gun laws is a comparable lack of freedom to that of a slave.

The issue is freedom is lost without the ability to defend it with guns.

That's very analogous to gaining freedom through war using guns.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The issue is freedom is lost without the ability to defend it with guns.

So they aren't free in Norway?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

The issue is freedom is lost without the ability to defend it with guns.

That's very analogous to gaining freedom through war using guns.

I think it's cute that you think you'd actually have any chance to defend your freedoms if the government REALLY wanted to come and take them away.

this is how I envision the situation:
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[NCPitt]

So they aren't free in Norway?

Not unless you like socialism and the lack of aspiration for achievement that exists in Norway.

Sure, lots of stuff is free and that creates some degree of freedom from worry. Just don't aspire to improve your lot in life.

 

[NCPitt]

I think it's cute that you think you'd actually have any chance to defend your freedoms if the government REALLY wanted to come and take them away.

this is how I envision the situation:
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We've had this discussion. Such a reaction by the government would be unconstitutional.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

We've had this discussion. Such a reaction by the government would be unconstitutional.

So would removing your freedoms.

Clearly, you don't feel the Consitutiton is enough to protect your freedom's from the government...which is why you're concerned about the issue in the first place.

Hint, if the government wants to stop you...they will...and no number of guns will stop them.

 

[NCPitt]

So would removing your freedoms.

Clearly, you don't feel the Consitutiton is enough to protect your freedom's from the government...which is why you're concerned about the issue in the first place.

Hint, if the government wants to stop you...they will...and no number of guns will stop them.

The Constitution gives us a right to guns.

You seem to forget that.

Guns are not used to protect our freedoms against only governments, by the way.

You also forget that.