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It did and we'll find out in the courts. Much of what has been done recently in violation of Article II has never been challenged in the courts. It is now and the SC will have to ultimately rule.
A few questions:
1. Do you really mean the Founders, or do you mean the Framers?
2. Do you know the difference?
3. Do you realize the majority of both would ridicule Reagan for his free trade fetish?
And virtually every single one of them would likely challenge a faux conservative poser like Brooks to a duel. Where's Aaron Burr when you need him?
What cop killer's?
Citizens from like 100 different nations crossed the border.
1. I mean essentially both because there are substantial cross over between both. And their opinions evolved from the early Articles of Confederation to the Constitution and Amendments.
2. See #1
3. I do. Do you realize the majority of both would ridicule us all for allowing everyone to vote, not just African Americans and women but all white men?
While I mostly disagree with Brooks, he's an actually a classic conservative not faux right wing populist. That's why you don't like him.
You have an activist ideological conservative court, who's philosophy has long been viewed outside the realm on mainstream. The Court, like the other branches of government, go back and forth between ideology over time. Guess we will.
The "activists" are the liberals. The conservatives adhere to the Constitution, overturning rulings made by previous activist liberal courts.
Mainstream is an irrelevant term when discussing the courts.
You're an ideologue. You subjective opinion is just that. And actually, mainstream is totally relevant when discussing the courts.
So, Per the AI oracle, only six individuals who signed the Declaration of Independence also signed the United States Constitution. That does not evidence an evolving opinion, but rather that new delegates appeared with new opinions.
Few of any of the First continental Congress attended the convention. But, about two thirds of the members of the convention previously served in the continental Congress. So you get some good marks there. But they ratified the Articles which was much different than the Constitution.
So I think it's obvious that the original ideas for government held by the time of ratification are much different than the views of Reagan or our current views. Tariffs were preferred then. Now tariff is the globalists' swear word.
Brooks posed as a conservative until it paid to switch to being a lineral. And his speech is a lament for everything the liberal elite has inflicted upon this country. Don't even get me started on his non biblical definition of Judeo Christian faith, Thanks to COVID, young folk no longer trust the legacy media. There is hope.
So, you agree Fauci is a charlatan who hates democracy, right? At least I will admit both parties are parasites.
No, I do not. I think a lot of the hate on him is due too the botch response to the pandemic on both sides.
But will agree with you both political parties and politicians in general are parasites. Trump being the worst, IMO. But I can't ever imagine liking or worshiping a politician even if I agree with them in some regards.
Well lots to unpack here but here's my thoughts/opinions-The Declaration is just one of several events you can say are part of our "founding documents", but clearly the biggest/most important. I'd go back to the Stamp/Sugar Acts of the mid-60's all the way to the Intolerable Acts and the responses to the Crown as the founding of our country. There was high agreement across the board on opposing this Acts. And things like the Olive Branch Petition, etc. Committees of Correspondence and Safety are all part of the "founders" ideology.
You have to remember that there are good reasons why many who attended the first and latter Congresses didn't attend. Some where trying to hold the country together after Shay's Rebellion, or more focused on their state, or were on a diplomatic mission overseas, or just frigging old. There's a ton of disagreement going back to the opening shots in April 1775 to even Washington's first administration (the Whiskey Rebellion and does gov have the right to raise those taxes).
The Federalist Papers are arguably as important or even greater than the Declaration and many who wrote these and pushed for the passage of the Constitution also are Founders as well, IMO.
Tariffs understood by the founders/framers were not anywhere near unanimous and it's a moot point: the economy today no way resembles 1787 in any way shape and form. Tariffs and protectionism are a dirty word because they've shown time and again to be taxes on the consumer and decreases trade. Read Smoot-Hawley and how that turned out and why economists hate tariffs.
I'm secular/atheist so I am unconcerned about his take on anything Judeo/Christian other than historically. And your side is definitely believing that Joe Rogan and Catturd are going to forever be relevant in the media sphere. Good luck. Just look at who over took Rogan as the top podcast last month (I'll give you a hint-they're young and left of center.).
And PS-I just hate irrationality they pervades our society today-both left and right. I mostly argue with the far left losers who think "ACAB" and "Queers for Hamas" and the far left believing Hamas is a freedom fighting group. I get called a shitlib conservative all the time.
Or anti-vaxxers on both sides, or maga who have zero coherent ideology other than agreeing no matter what trump does he's correct and to question him is blasphemy. I saw you're interested in apologetics-as a Christian of whatever group (I'm guessing Protestant)-don't you think the worshipping of trump is like the Golden Calf? Or some of the prophecy of the New Testament in Matthew or Revelation?
The federalist papers are illuminating but are just propaganda (a term I'm using here loosely here) by the federalists. A book titled the antifederalist papers is available too. As usual, the big government side makes sure its version is the publicized one. 😉
Tariffs were the agreed method. Direct taxes had to be apportioned. The sales tax, wage tax, property taxes were nothing new. Tariffs didn't suffice to feed the appetite of the new corporate/socialist/Keynesian behemoth that arose after the civil war mangled our Republic. Yep, I went there. 😄
Do you refer to Call Her Daddy? I did hear Rogan dropped down. We'll see how long that lasts, seeing as most every other liberal platform is bending the knee post inauguration. 🤔
I brought up the Christian stuff only to document how inaccurate Brooks' speech was. He opined on how much culture matters.
Yes, there are some MAGA folks that act like disciples. I saw this phenomenon with some Obama people. Irrationality is never a good look.
It happens with religious followers too obviously, I am a big follower of the theories of ancient languages scholar named Michael Heiser. Hed often say that the first class he'd require at seminaries is a logic course.
As for vaccines, I researched the mRNA platform when COVID started. I picked up some immunology textbooks and read the initial vaccine studies by phizer and Moderna. Fauci misrepresented the data and findings. Doctors became obedient government servants instead of advocating for their patients individually. At least it woke people up. Some took it to extremes, but there's always some that do that. I realized eventually you'll rarely get people with non science degrees to take the time to learn technical processes. They will just default to appealing to authority. Such is life.
Well of course the federalist papers (and anti-federalist papers) are propaganda. That word has negative connotations in our language today, but they are arguments used to convince people that the Constitution solved the problems of the Confederal government, AND and much better system of stronger government than the disorganized, self-contradictory small government.
Tariffs were not agreed upon as the "big government" Federalists loved tariffs to protect manufacturing, while the small government anti-federalists wanted cheap, imported goods. The tension existed then as it does now and I believe that a "big government" as you call it, is essential in making our system function AND stopping the corporate/oligarchy that the right loves. Yes, I went there as well
The MediasTouch podcast is the one I was referencing. I think you all believe that this current moment in history is going to continue with the current trends, which I believe, just like the Obama folks in 2008, believed the realignment was permanent. It's not but the Dem's are always their worst enemy and you guys now own the state media/propaganda complex by a lot so we shall see. Lot's of current similarities to how Orban and Hungry became entrenched in authoritarianism.
Maybe it's a function of where I live and the people I interact with across Western pa, WVA, and Ohio, but I'd say it's way more with the maga people than Obama folks. But you're correct that Obama had that as well, but IMO, Bernie Sanders followers are/were way more like maga than Obama. To me that's the better example and yes just as pathetic, IMO. And it's not just religious followers, all true believers, whether politics, religion or even sports (look at us as Pitt fans) follow the same mindset.
I am not familiar with Michael Heiser so I'll check him out. But I completely, wholeheartedly endorse EVERYONE in our public schools to colleges to take logic courses. People in our society generally speaking, on all sides, have ZERO understanding in how logic of real arguments work.
While I am always telling people to question authority and not just appeal to authority, that doesn't mean authority is not correct. So here is my question to you on what you wrote about Fauci and your belief in everything in your world view (this applies to me as well)-is it possible that some, all of your/my belief systems/worldview are wrong, and how would we tell if we were/are?
Good post. Tariffs were accepted then based upon the zeitgeist. Neue Zeit, neue Geist, I guess. That's all I'm really saying.Well of course the federalist papers (and anti-federalist papers) are propaganda. That word has negative connotations in our language today, but they are arguments used to convince people that the Constitution solved the problems of the Confederal government, AND and much better system of stronger government than the disorganized, self-contradictory small government.
Tariffs were not agreed upon as the "big government" Federalists loved tariffs to protect manufacturing, while the small government anti-federalists wanted cheap, imported goods. The tension existed then as it does now and I believe that a "big government" as you call it, is essential in making our system function AND stopping the corporate/oligarchy that the right loves. Yes, I went there as well
The MediasTouch podcast is the one I was referencing. I think you all believe that this current moment in history is going to continue with the current trends, which I believe, just like the Obama folks in 2008, believed the realignment was permanent. It's not but the Dem's are always their worst enemy and you guys now own the state media/propaganda complex by a lot so we shall see. Lot's of current similarities to how Orban and Hungry became entrenched in authoritarianism.
I don't think the trend will be constant. I think this is a watershed moment in history and we're headed for the proverbial "interesting times".
I'll check out MediasTouch
You're way more a sensible classical liberal than a nutball woke leftist. I'm etremely disappointed. LOL
Caveat....Heiser basically took random early scholarly works and then correlated the mythology of Near Eastern societies with the Genesis Biblical accounts. He revolutionized the theology of the entire Bible. His work is given respect by scholarly communities but was not welcomed by the denominations of organized Churches. You'll think he's nuts if you view gods as figments of the imagination, but the historian in you might instead find the narrative fascinating from a literary perspective. Probably depends on your level of interest in ancient civilizations. Just wanted to warn you.
You're third paragraph is something I absolutely hold to. My personal schtick is "It a waste of time asking someone what they believe. All that matters is why they believe it". It's the whole what is truth thing and epistemology or whatever. I can only try to be as honest and thorough in my research as possible. One new info dump and everything can change.
Well, if I agree with you to too much my rep with many will go down the sh!tter. 😉
Glad now to have met you
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a stroke victim and 4 suicides https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
thread has good content, and some worth skipping
Yeah…what contributed to that? Being hit in the head with clubs and sprayed with bear pepper spray. All fn thugs!
lots of thugs and idiots, not killers or cop killers
pepper spray, even bear and hitting with clubs leading the victims to suicide is also idiocy
the stroke connection is questionable so maybe not idiocy
these are police officers, not sissy regular dudes/cats
it's an ugly world and that was an ugly day and the trauma is not NOTHING, but go ahead and convict them all for murder then I guess
smdh
I think this is and watershed moment as well, and there's a lot of bumpy times ahead for sure.
I'm definitely not a woke leftist, lol, and I am a capitalist as well. I stopped long ago thinking that I had to pick "left or right" like it's team sports and judge everything in politics, culture on it's merits. Or at least I try because like everyone, I have my biases as well. When I'm not doing my main job I have a business I put all my extra time and effort into. Probably too much into to be honest hence why I don't always respond right away.
I suspect most of us, despite the rhetoric would agree on more basic things than people would surmise. Our system and media make money in getting each other to dislike one another. Division and outrage sells. And yes, I am more interested in epistemology and how intelligent people like yourself see the world different than me, or whoever. To me that's the most interesting question. I think when you think about 'truth", being honest and open minded is the only thing anyone can ask.
I am really interested in reading Heiser now because I am open minded and love reading about ancient civilizations.
Glad to have met you as well and this is actually my preferred mode of interacting with people! We can learn a lot from each other by just conversing.
Please feel no pressure to ever respond in some timely manner. Life is to short. I'm essentially retired so I have nowhere to go. Tens to your business and engage whenever. We get notifications after all.
PS I clicked on the meidas YT channel for a few minutes earlier today. I'll follow up this week to see more.
Wow. Whodathunkit. The Unseen Realm is his more technical long form book. Supernatural is more geared for laypersons like me. But You Tube carries his 6 hour seminar also titled The Unseen Realm. Enjoy. Let me know your thoughts.just got a few Heiser books sent, now need down time to read them
Police officering is a hard job. Incredibly hard. These guys go to work every day not knowing if they’re going to live through their shift.
So what the deal with the officers who committed suicide? Riots that accelerate and get out of control is tame compared to the stuff some guys are exposed to every day in our cites.
Not trying to be coy here. ^^^
Maybe I’m ignorant I’ll admit. So someone here help me to understand.
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