Any recruiting whispers?

[lilspainishflea]

I think they use a combination of free throws, form, volume, and 3 point %. But i believe it's a stew of analytics

I agree with that. Clearly we both agree that the NBA cares about your shooting numbers, including your 3P% (especially when you're projecting as a wing!).

I'm only a lawyer and I don't talk to NBA scouts weekly like some of our genius posters here but I knew that was baloney.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I agree with that. Clearly we both agree that the NBA cares about your shooting numbers, including your 3P% (especially when you're projecting as a wing!).

I'm only a lawyer and I don't talk to NBA scouts weekly like some of our genius posters here but I knew that was baloney.

Lol ok.

hes shooting 32 percent on a little under 4 a game. Literally no NBA person is gOnna pass on him if they think they can bump that up to 36 percent or higher.

 

[BargeDog]

Random ballclubs in Turkey and Tel Aviv have produced more top 10 picks than Pitt.

Maccabi Tel Aviv is not a "random" ballclub.

 

[BargeDog]

Pretty clearly gonna have to replace Champ at this point.

So sez you.

 

[lilspainishflea]

If a guy shoots 27 percent from 3 in a college season but 85 percent from the line and has good form, they’ll project him as a good 3 point shooter and blame a variety of facts involved which explains away their percentage. This is what I was trying to convey. Oftentimes the 3 pt percent is based on an extremely low volume in college which can be good or bad for the shooter.

Thanks for the additional color. I agree with that, but we're getting to the same place: Justin HAS to be considered a good 3P shooter to be drafted. Whether that's through looking at the numbers or making assumptions about what the numbers truly should be, it makes no difference. Being a good shooter is necessary for him to get drafted.

 

[lilspainishflea]

Maccabi Tel Aviv is not a "random" ballclub.

I might be the only person on this board that's been to Maccabi. Very familiar with them. My point is that the NBA will send someone 10,000 miles to find the best possible players. They're not just taking the top 3-4 guys from Duke every year. So Justin's spot in the NBA has extremely little to do which team he plays for (or doesn't play for).

 

[President Stache]

I might be the only person on this board that's been to Maccabi. Very familiar with them. My point is that the NBA will send someone 10,000 miles to find the best possible players. They're not just taking the top 3-4 guys from Duke every year. So Justin's spot in the NBA has extremely little to do which team he plays for (or doesn't play for).

I went to 3 maccabi Haifa games in 2017.

 

[NCanton Panther]

He's a great college basketball player without the physical gifts to make him a 1st round NBA pick.

I personally think we rating him far higher than NBA scouts will because he's our guy. To me, there are guys like this every year. People like Jordan Nwora and Admiral Schofield come to mind. Great players, but the NBA is a different animal. I think he's a second round type and will be back next year.

You’re rating him lower because of his physical limitations/tweener size, etc.

That tweeter size/physical limitation isn’tgoing to go away. He may never be a lottery pick because of it, but if his on-the-court performance stays at the level it is now, his draft stock will never be higher. He’ll be gone after this year if he keeps performing over the remainder of the year the way he is now.

 

[Pittx9]

Champ would not be any more than a 2nd round pick after this season. Pitt could be really good next season and I’m sure he would think he could greatly improve his stock. I’d be absolutely shocked if he left after this season. But I’d also almost guarantee he leaves after his junior season.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Champ would not be any more than a 2nd round pick after this season. Pitt could be really good next season and I’m sure he would think he could greatly improve his stock. I’d be absolutely shocked if he left after this season. But I’d also almost guarantee he leaves after his junior season.

Lol what could he possibly do to boost his stock further? He’s averaging 22/13 lol. Wishful thinking. This is the last season he will play at Pitt provided he continues.

 

[Ronnyp91]

Lol what could he possibly do to boost his stock further? He’s averaging 22/13 lol. Wishful thinking. This is the last season he will play at Pitt provided he continues.

He has to leave when his stock is at its peak, whatever that peak may be. Is it worth coming back for say a 10% chance of improving his draft position?

Side note: think a lot of us aren’t used to guys leaving early, just hasn’t happened very often for Pitt guys.

 

[PittPoker]

Wishful thinking. He gone. Most likely a 2nd rounder or I drafted but this is gonna be his last season with Pitt.

No it isn't.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

No it isn't.

Then he’s getting bad advice. He has nothing more to prove at Pitt.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

He has to leave when his stock is at its peak, whatever that peak may be. Is it worth coming back for say a 10% chance of improving his draft position?

Side note: think a lot of us aren’t used to guys leaving early, just hasn’t happened very often for Pitt guys.

This is correct. What’s he gonna do next year to improve his stock? Average 1 more PPG?

 

[Franb]

This is correct. What’s he gonna do next year to improve his stock? Average 1 more PPG?

Maybe he will have a late-onset growth spurt and turn into Kevin Durant.

 

[joeydavid]

Lol what could he possibly do to boost his stock further? He’s averaging 22/13 lol. Wishful thinking. This is the last season he will play at Pitt provided he continues.

This has been an entertaining thread. Like I said, the other day - enjoy his play at Pitt this season.

Becoming an elite shooter would be the only thing that could boost his stock but like you said- why not work on that while getting paid.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

This has been an entertaining thread. Like I said, the other day - enjoy his play at Pitt this season.

Becoming an elite shooter would be the only thing that could boost his stock but like you said- why not work on that while getting paid.

Correct. And the main point is, even if he does increase his shooting will he have enough volume to boost his stock next year and what if it isn’t boosted enough to help Pitt next year and he stops doing what he’s great at? All moving parts obviously

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Then he’s getting bad advice. He has nothing more to prove at Pitt.

While he might not have anything to prove he personally needs to improve to play in the NBA . Most second round picks don’t make rosters and only first rounders get guaranteed money stay and improve is his best course of action . He’d be foolish to leave early unless he starts knocking down NBA 3’s at > 40% .

 

[vikings1980]

So, recruiting whispers?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

While he might not have anything to prove he personally needs to improve to play in the NBA . Most second round picks don’t make rosters and only first rounders get guaranteed money stay and improve is his best course of action . He’d be foolish to leave early unless he starts knocking down NBA 3’s at > 40% .

Lol this is more terrible advice. Should Draymond Green go back to school until he makes 40 percent of his 3’s too? They’re the same size and Champagnie is much more athletic. He fits today’s game perfectly.

 

[Vader_Storm]

While he might not have anything to prove he personally needs to improve to play in the NBA . Most second round picks don’t make rosters and only first rounders get guaranteed money stay and improve is his best course of action . He’d be foolish to leave early unless he starts knocking down NBA 3’s at > 40% .

I think Justin has considerable more upside to his game as I pointed out in my own thread. I also think he can climb significantly higher on an NBA draft board with another year and has legit 1st round potential by rounding out his game with development.

Im going to say one other thing about Justin. Last year as the season progressed Justin's conditioning killed him on the defensive side of the basketball the 2nd half of the season. He was a major liability on defense the 2nd half of his freshmen season greatly because his stamina was terrible. Champ actually openly admitted this on camera although it was blatantly obvious he was taking a lot of plays off on defense the 2nd half of last season.

Im not playing devils advocate here, but you could see Justin breathing extremely heavy in that Duke game. I have concerns that as this season continues Justin's stamina is going to be a problem and he is going to be lazy on defense because he doesnt have the stamina to sustain playing anywhere near 40 minutes a game as the season continues. The stamina difference between Toney and Champ is like comparing the sun with the moon right now. There is no comparison.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Lol this is more terrible advice. Should Draymond Green go back to school until he makes 40 percent of his 3’s too? They’re the same size and Champagnie is much more athletic. He fits today’s game perfectly.

He’s an undersized 3 in the pros who isn’t a very good defender or long range shooter at the collegiate level at this point in time let alone in the NBA. Move him to the 2 he’ll never be able to defend an NBA 2 and he’s nowhere near the shooter that an NBA guard needs to be . He simply doesn’t possess the physical skills to dominate the boards in the pros as he’s doing at Pitt . His best bet is stay and improve upon his weaknesses until he’s ready .

He’s had two minor knee injuries that haven’t required anything but rest to return to the lineup , this isn’t similar to Blair’s situation. His career hasn’t been shortened by these injuries.

 

[Gunga_Galunga]

So, recruiting whispers?

 

[4Mark_Marty]

Lol this is more terrible advice. Should Draymond Green go back to school until he makes 40 percent of his 3’s too? They’re the same size and Champagnie is much more athletic. He fits today’s game perfectly.

Green plays a lot bigger than 6’6” like Justin. Good comparison.

 

[Pitt2006]

Green plays a lot bigger than 6’6” like Justin. Good comparison.

He was a second round pick after 4 years of college though...

 

[sonofabit]

Maybe little bro’ joining him overseas as a default or one of the primer leagues. Don’t think they’ve planned that far ahead.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Green plays a lot bigger than 6’6” like Justin. Good comparison.

And he’s auditioning for a similar type junkyard do it all role.

im not suggesting he’s a finished product, far from it. But to think he wouldn’t find a role in the NBA assuming he embraces whatever team took him is asinine. He isn’t auditioning for the same part as Jalen Johnson or any of those dudes and basically understanding your role makes a kid like JC stick when a guy who maybe has “more natural ability” but thinks he should be a 25 PPG scorer and take the ball out of Steph Curry’s hands.

As one nba role player said earlier this year you don’t go into an interview for a janitor position like you’re going for CEO.

 

[pittzap]

He was a second round pick after 4 years of college though...

And he weighs 30 pounds more than Penny.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

And he’s auditioning for a similar type junkyard do it all role.

im not suggesting he’s a finished product, far from it. But to think he wouldn’t find a role in the NBA assuming he embraces whatever team took him is asinine. He isn’t auditioning for the same part as Jalen Johnson or any of those dudes and basically understanding your role makes a kid like JC stick when a guy who maybe has “more natural ability” but thinks he should be a 25 PPG scorer and take the ball out of Steph Curry’s hands.

As one nba role player said earlier this year you don’t go into an interview for a janitor position like you’re going for CEO.

So you think there’s not 25 guys in the D League that don’t fit that role ? Plus another 25 already sitting on benches in the NBA . Or as a matter of fact already playing over seas waiting for their chance . NBA = special , maybe as he develops , but at that level he’s not special right now .

 

[Pitt2006]

Another year would gain him national exposure. Look at the home page of ESPN college basketball. PITT is not in headlines except for Hugley. He is appearing more in tweets here and there, but another year where he could dominate would help him get drafted in 2022.

 

[FireballZ]

Another year would gain him national exposure. Look at the home page of ESPN college basketball. PITT is not in headlines except for Hugley. He is appearing more in tweets here and there, but another year where he could dominate would help him get drafted in 2022.

National Pub for Champagnie

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Another year would gain him national exposure. Look at the home page of ESPN college basketball. PITT is not in headlines except for Hugley. He is appearing more in tweets here and there, but another year where he could dominate would help him get drafted in 2022.

Actually his three dunks against Syracuse was prominently featured on ESPN's web site, not just the basketball page, the full home page, until the following day.

And in any event, the NBA doesn't draft on national exposure. If you are good enough they know about you. It might be different this year with the virus, but in past seasons there were at least one or two NBA scouts at almost every game Pitt played, even when Pitt didn't have anyone who was remotely close to being drafted. And frequently a lot more than one or two.

 

[caleco's]

You're smoking crack about shooting percentages. It's absolutely predictive, especially with undersized/slow players where you need something beyond their burst and size for them to play in the league. You think scrawny Ty Jerome is getting drafted if he's not a career 40% guy? Or Cam Johnson? How do you think NBA scouts evaluate shooting then?

Most players don't get significantly taller in college. He wasn't born with it so he just has to improve his basketball skills even further. Believe it or not but there are a ton of 6'6" guys that can hit on a backdoor cut or shoot 32% from 3. That's not special at the next level, and if he declares this year, I doubt he's a 1st round pick.

in college working under the hoop is a lot of "right time right place"
JC doesn't have tape measure eyeball looks to play there but man is he incredible at understanding how to get himself in the right place at the right time
and he finishes.

that is his biggest quality imo and cant be taught. that alone makes him 6'9"

 

[joeydavid]

And he’s auditioning for a similar type junkyard do it all role.

im not suggesting he’s a finished product, far from it. But to think he wouldn’t find a role in the NBA assuming he embraces whatever team took him is asinine. He isn’t auditioning for the same part as Jalen Johnson or any of those dudes and basically understanding your role makes a kid like JC stick when a guy who maybe has “more natural ability” but thinks he should be a 25 PPG scorer and take the ball out of Steph Curry’s hands.

As one nba role player said earlier this year you don’t go into an interview for a janitor position like you’re going for CEO.

He would fit in well with the Heat, imo.

 

[GomerTV]

Could he go to G League Select? get 500k and then move on?

 

[Millerton24]

in college working under the hoop is a lot of "right time right place"
JC doesn't have tape measure eyeball looks to play there but man is he incredible at understanding how to get himself in the right place at the right time
and he finishes.

that is his biggest quality imo and cant be taught. that alone makes him 6'9"

I agree with that. I noticed that fairly quickly. He knows where the ball is probably going off the rim. Good insticts

 

[VincePITT]

2021 3-star 6'1" PG Khalil Brantley, rivals has him as 100% Fan Future Cast! His twitter page doesn't show Pitt as his choices!

 

[LeftCoastPanther]

2021 3-star 6'1" PG Khalil Brantley, rivals has him as 100% Fan Future Cast! His twitter page doesn't show Pitt as his choices!

Same with 2022 prospect, Matthew Filipowski.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Same with 2022 prospect, Matthew Filipowski.

2021 3-star 6'1" PG Khalil Brantley, rivals has him as 100% Fan Future Cast! His twitter page doesn't show Pitt as his choices!

im not sure how good of a job rivals keeps up with on rivals offers. I think 247 is much more accurate in their database, no disrespect to this site.

 

[VincePITT]

im not sure how good of a job rivals keeps up with on rivals offers. I think 247 is much more accurate in their database, no disrespect to this site.

247 doesn't have him with an offer from Pitt!