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anyone watching what's happening at the "U''.....

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new transfer at QB,OL,etc. new director of operations, new OC. do you think this will help ?

losses to FAU,and La.Tech,make me think that there are serious underlying problems-starting with HFC. i think he lost the squad. i don't see any candidates on the horizon to affect a change. i think the powers to be think that you just put more talent on the field, and that guarantees a win.
 
Oh, right, he’s the latest savior. I think the King kid from Houston will have a lot more of an impact on their success or failure than their play caller.

So the two of them together, with all the hours of practice, film study means zero......

It's only King, who will save Miami with his talents. Just like the last few qbs were supposed to?

They finally got it right this time with Lashlee. Miami runs away with the Coastal.
 
Is Miami being picked to win the Coastal by anybody? I know Steele hasn’t come out yet, and Connelly’s S&P+ projects them to be somewhere in the Top 25 I think when it comes out.
But I don’t get what inspired the odd original question or people clowning the “Miami’s back” meme? Did I miss something that recently dropped?
 
Oh, right, he’s the latest savior. I think the King kid from Houston will have a lot more of an impact on their success or failure than their play caller.

Maybe this season, but long term the right offensive system is invaluable.

Leach isn’t putting up those offensive numbers every year because he always hits with the QB.

Look at USCw. They finally ditched the pro-style and went to an Air Raid and the offense exploded.
LSU brought in modern passing concepts and Joe Burrow went from maybe a 7th rounder to having arguably the greatest season in college football history and the 1st pick.
 
Yeah, but I think people tend to rig that argument.

I think the differences in offenses nowadays are largely grossly overstated. Almost everyone is trying to do the same things.

This is not 15 years ago whenever Rich Rodriguez and Chip Kelly were blowing through everyone with their offenses while other teams were still trying to pretend it was 1986. You are not seeing many 250 pound linebackers trying to cover slot receivers anymore.

Why do you think the shine has come off the stars of those guys? Because everyone else has adjusted and adapted.

Mike Leach is legitimately different than most others. He really is a guy who believes that you can throw your way to a championship. However, he’s never actually done that. Pat Narduzzi has more divisional championships than Mike Leach.

Now, in fairness, as many have pointed out, Leach has had to toil in college football backwaters like Lubbock, the Paloose and now Starkville. However, ask yourself this: if Leach was such an amazing coach, wouldn’t one of the big boys have taken a shot of him by now?

Are you really telling me that they don’t want to win in Ann Arbor or Tallahassee or Gainesville or Austin? Why is he always forced to take the worst job in every major conference?

He has wanted that Miami job forever and has been very open about it. And yet, they’ve never even sniffed him. Don’t you ever wonder why?

As for LSU, they did actually win something but their offense isn’t that different than Alabama’s or Clemson’s or many other teams’ offenses.

The difference was that last year they finally had a really accurate quarterback to make the plays that were there. That’s why Burrow went first overall. He may have been slated to go in the seventh round the year before. However, had that happened, he probably would’ve just ended up being like Tom Brady because he is extremely poised and extremely accurate. Those traits translate to any system.

So, no, I’m not exactly quaking in my boots because the Miami Hurricanes hired Rhett Lashlee as their OC. He may well do a great job there, who knows?

However, people have been prematurely handing Miami the keys to the Coastal for decades now and it has never really worked out like that. Speaking only for myself, I’m going to need to see some receipts this time.
 
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Most predictions I've seen have VT or UNC at the top and Miami, Pitt and UVA in some order at 3, 4 and 5. Pitt plays UNC, Miami and UVA all on the road.

I also saw Miami plays at Michigan State the week before hosting Pitt. With a new coach, MSU is tough to predict, but that is still a decent test for Miami. If they win, we both could be undefeated going into the game in Miami. Of course the Pitt fan in me is inclined to think that Miami probably tanks in East Lansing and then comes out ready to knock the snot out of us the next week.
 
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So the two of them together, with all the hours of practice, film study means zero......

It's only King, who will save Miami with his talents. Just like the last few qbs were supposed to?

They finally got it right this time with Lashlee. Miami runs away with the Coastal.

Seeing is believing, I think this is another doomed failure by luring away the coach from Temple who never even coached a game yet! But it is a nice upgrade I'll give you that. But Sumlin and that QB in Arizona weren't enough to make an impact there. It is more than just a couple players/coaches.
 
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Yeah, but I think people tend to rig that argument.

I think the differences in offenses nowadays are largely grossly overstated. Almost everyone is trying to do the same things.

This is not 15 years ago whenever Rich Rodriguez and Chip Kelly were blowing through everyone with their offenses while other teams were still trying to pretend it was 1986. You are not seeing many 250 pound linebackers trying to cover slot receivers anymore.

Why do you think the shine has come off the stars of those guys? Because everyone else has adjusted and adapted.

Mike Leach is legitimately different than most others. He really is a guy who believes that you can throw your way to a championship. However, he’s never actually done that. Pat Narduzzi has more divisional championships than Mike Leach.

Now, in fairness, as many have pointed out, Leach has had to toil in college football backwaters like Lubbock, the Paloose and now Starkville. However, ask yourself this: if Leach was such an amazing coach, wouldn’t one of the big boys have taken a shot of him by now?

Are you really telling me that they don’t want to win in Ann Arbor or Tallahassee or Gainesville or Austin? Why is he always forced to take the worst job in every major conference?

He has wanted that Miami job forever and has been very open about it. And yet, they’ve never even sniffed him. Don’t you ever wonder why?

As for LSU, they did actually win something but their offense isn’t that different than Alabama’s or Clemson’s or many other teams’ offenses.

The difference was that last year they finally had a really accurate quarterback to make the plays that were there. That’s why Burrow went first overall. He may have been slated to go in the seventh round the year before. However, had that happened, he probably would’ve just ended up being like Tom Brady because he is extremely poised and extremely accurate. Those traits translate to any system.

So, no, I’m not exactly quaking in my boots because the Miami Hurricanes hired Rhett Lashlee as their OC. He may well do a great job there, who knows?

However, people have been prematurely handing Miami the keys to the Coastal for decades now and it has never really worked out like that. Speaking only for myself, I’m going to need to see some receipts this time.

I agree that among many offenses, the concepts aren’t different. You have a very innovators, and then the disciples of those innovators putting their unique touches on it.

But that’s irrelevant to my point, in that teams like LSU and Miami and USCw *weren’t* in any of those groups. USCw joined it last year when they went Air Raid. Miami is going to join it this year. There is a world’s of difference between what Miami and USCw have been running over the last 20 years, and what college football has been moving towards. And switching to those modern offenses does make a huge difference as it relates to Miami and USCw.

LSU is the same. They ran an outdated offense in 2018, and Burrow, with all his talent, still produced average results. They bring in an innovate passing mind, and the offense becomes a juggernaut. Would the offense be *that great* with another talent at QB? Probably not. But Burrow wouldn’t be that good without that innovation either. and the same OC in 2018.
 
Most predictions I've seen have VT or UNC at the top and Miami, Pitt and UVA in some order at 3, 4 and 5. Pitt plays UNC, Miami and UVA all on the road.

Yeah, this is what I’m seeing too. I think some of the analytic models are going to like Miami, but not all (ESPN’s hates them).

That’s why I’m not sure what is inspiring the, “I need to see the receipts this year” type takes? They aren’t getting much hype.

If the question is whether Miami getting two grad transfers everybody has ranked in the Top 50 players in all of college football, and one of the more highly regarded young offense minds that is a complete 180 from the dinosaur offenses they have been running, will help them be better? I’m not sure that’s actually a question. It seems impossible to argue those things will make them worse.
 
Seeing is believing, I think this is another doomed failure by luring away the coach from Temple who never even coached a game yet! But it is a nice upgrade I'll give you that. But Sumlin and that QB in Arizona weren't enough to make an impact there. It is more than just a couple players/coaches.

To be fair, Sumlin sucked as an offensive mind anyway (has he actually ever called plays before in his career?). And when he got to Arizona, he tried running a more traditional offense rather than Rich Rod’s spread, read-option system that Tate was lighting up college football in the previous year.
Which kinda goes to my point above: systems matter.
 
LSU is the same. They ran an outdated offense in 2018, and Burrow, with all his talent, still produced average results. They bring in an innovate passing mind, and the offense becomes a juggernaut. Would the offense be *that great* with another talent at QB? Probably not. But Burrow wouldn’t be that good without that innovation either. and the same OC in 2018.

that's one of the more interesting stories for this year....what happens to LSU with out Brady as the OC and losing Burrows and many others? I think there will be a step down, but is this like Chizik/Auburn and Coach O crashes and burns the next few seasons after having it all come together for one great year?

Personally I don't think so. Coach O comes across as one of those "dumb as a fox" types. Everyone under-estimates him and I think he learned alot from his failed stint at ole Miss plus being interim at USC. Their behind the scenes sports staff and facilities put the NFL to shame. And of course they recruit like crazy with bagmen galore so it is pretty hard to replicate what happened with Chizik at Auburn imho.
 
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Seeing is believing, I think this is another doomed failure by luring away the coach from Temple who never even coached a game yet! But it is a nice upgrade I'll give you that. But Sumlin and that QB in Arizona weren't enough to make an impact there. It is more than just a couple players/coaches.

Fair enough.

I have always admired Lashlee. And there is material there

I guess I try not to fall into the hole of " it hasn't worked for so long why will it work now"

I'm guessing fans of other schools may think that of Pitt, who those closer to the program see things differently this year.
 
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that's one of the more interesting stories for this year....what happens to LSU with out Brady as the OC and losing Burrows and many others? I think there will be a step down, but is this like Chizik/Auburn and Coach O crashes and burns the next few seasons after having it all come together for one great year?

Personally I don't think so. Coach O comes across as one of those "dumb as a fox" types. Everyone under-estimates him and I think he learned alot from his failed stint at ole Miss plus being interim at USC. Their behind the scenes sports staff and facilities put the NFL to shame. And of course they recruit like crazy with bagmen galore so it is pretty hard to replicate what happened with Chizik at Auburn imho.

LSU is willing to spend so much money that they can almost save Coach O from himself. Do I think Coach O is special? No. Do I think he needs to be when LSU brings in a Top 10 class every year and buys him the best position coaches money can buy? Probably not.
 
Fair enough.

I have always admired Lashlee. And there is material there

I guess I try not to fall into the hole of " it hasn't worked for so long why will it work now"

I'm guessing fans of other schools may think that of Pitt, who those closer to the program see things differently this year.

I’m a big Lashlee fan. I love the idea of the Air Raid meets read-option pace and space.

It’s also not correct to say this is the same thing we have heard from Miami the last 15 years. Because it isn’t. Miami has refused to join the modern world’s offense over this time. They and USCw were “Pro Set U.”

South Florida lends itself to twitchy, slot athletes and athletic, space and pace QBs. It’s insane that Miami wasn’t the first team to jump on board this train, but instead is one of the last.
 
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