Seems about right. I question Iowa and Nebraska over Pitt.
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Good Pitt is now 24th in AP , now it is time to win the Bowl Game and Climb Higher finishing in both Polls in 2016, that will be progress from 2015?
Johnny Majors said it in 1973....first rebuilding a Top 25 Football Team and Program starts with crawling towards Winning Seasons......then Walking like seen in 1975 being in the Top 25 Rankings at 8-4........then Running in 1976 Winning the National Championship.
Pitt went on 1975-1983 to be in the Top 25 for 6 of 7 (Missed 1978) more years and being in the Top 5 three years in a row and going 33-3!
It has been, it can be, and it shall be done!
Agreed! Although I would have been pissed if we weren't ranked after this week.
I disagree with due respect, I don't see it that way, Iowa was great last year going 12-2 (Pitt Lost By A Double Kick), with MSU and it is expected they would both drop, but Iowa after being badly beaten only by Penn State 41-14 came back and beat Michigan 14-13 and Nebraska 40-10 and lost to North Dakota State 23-21, Wisconsin 17-9, and Northwestern 38-31 by less than 2, 7, and 8 points, much like Pitt this year!
Iowa is usually well coached and only got bushwhacked by Penn State this year, that Pitt did beat! If Iowa had not beaten Michigan the only lost they would have had was to to Ohio State that lost to Penn State, and Ohio State or Michigan would be going to the Big Ten Champ Game.
Iowa and Pitt are indeed near each other except Pitt beat Penn State and Iowa lost to Penn State! In addition, I don't think there is much separation between Pitt and Penn State and West Virginia in 2016, all could end up at 10-4 PSU, 10-3-WVU, or 9-4-WVU & PITT!
So far, Pitt has had the Tougher Schedule looking at Today's in playing
#3 Clemson Won by 1
#8 Penn State Won by 3
#11 Oklahoma State Lost by 7
#19 Virginia Tech Lost by 3
#17 Stanford Possible projection Bowl Game Pending
However, Penn State can equal or pass it:
#2 Ohio State Won by 3
#5 Michigan Lost by 39
#6 Wisconsin Pending
#22 Iowa Won by 27
#24 Pitt Lost by 3
#13 Western Michigan Possible Projection Bowl game Pending
WVU is farther behind both Pitt & Penn State Schedules
#6 Oklahoma Lost by 28
#11 Oklahoma State by 17
#19 Virginia Tech Possible Projection Bowl Game Pending
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True, although I would say 4 losses with only 1 being a "blowout" (Miami), should have catapulted us past Iowa. But it seems the Big gets a pass, as though their conference is really tough...lol.
The Champ Game and Bowl Games will determine how tough the Conferences end up:
Right now Big Ten:
#2 Ohio State
#5 Michigan
#6 Wisconsin
#8 Penn State
#22 Iowa
#23 Nebraska
ACC:
#3 Clemson
#12 FSU
#18 ULou
#19 VT
#24 PITT
GOOD LINK AT COMPARISONS:
ACC 6-3 SEC
ACC 3-1 BIG TEN
ACC 0-1 BIG-12
ACC 0-2 PAC-12
BIG TEN:
B10 3-1 PAC-12
B10 2-0 BIG-12
B10 1-0 SEC
B10 1-3 ACC
LINK:
http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html
The big 10 is a joke... But they always are that's why their bowl record is always so crap.
It will be again this year
It will be again this year
Win our bowl game, and we'll be in the teens.
I gotcha, Captain! But, seriously, can you say with a straight face that friikken Penn State deserves to be in the top 10??? They bet OSU and it was like instantly, they were ranked! We beat Clemson, in their place no less, and Nada!! Oh, we got some pats on the back, but that was it until this week...lol. The rankings are a joke for real. IMHO.
exactly cap, being in the top 25 is very significant and carries some prestige. Notice most of the scrolls always show "Top 25" scores first, then other games. So I say this upcoming bowl is not an "exhibition" and carries some weight as a win solidifies our standing in top 25 and perhaps lands us there in preseason.
Right with you, and I fear Pitt's PN does not take Thanksgiving or the Bowl Games that serious, treats they more as a reward, this is just a feeling, not by any means a fact or truth I can prove. he said they ate too much turkey when Pitt barely lost to Miami, this year they were not ready again for Miami, and I know PN is learning. The NAVY Game was just awful. this time, Pitt better be ready if they want to win 9 games and be in the Top 25?
Also, when one plays a lesser team, they often want to play and prepare better to prove they belong there. So, there is that challenge too? I hate it when Pitt Teams take it lightly, My Bad Pitt Bowl Games:
#3 Foge Fazio 3-7 Lost to SMU in 1983!
#6 Sherrill 1978 NCS Lost!
#4 Harris not putting Fitz in on Goal Line lost to UVA last 4 plays 2003?
#1 Wannstedt Horrible 0-3 Loss to Oregon State couldn't see Pitt QB stunk 2008?
#2 Chryst Houston Special Team Collapse 2015?
#5 Narduzi Navy 2015 Disaster!
I credit PATERNO, he always took the Bowl Games very serious, always prepared for them and let his Players have some fun, but Days before all Practice No Parties, Only Bama, USC Georgia and OU did the same thing. Why they lead in Wins!
Team Records - Most Bowl Wins
1. BAMA
2. USC
3. UGA
4. OU
5. PSU
LINK:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/bowls/team_records_most_wins.php
Team Records - Best Winning Percentage
1. OLE MISS
2. USC
3. PSU
4. CUSE
5. OU
LINK:
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/bowls/team_records_best_winpct.php
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Of course they belong in the Top 10.
Pitt's win against Clemson came only a week after the Miami loss, which was our 4th of the year. Once you lose 4 games, you aren't going to making any big jumps in the polls, regardless of who you beat. Had PSU lost a game after their tOSU win, they would have been hammered in the polls as well.
If Pitt wins its bowl game and Penn St loses the Big10 Championship game and their bowl game, they will be ranked very closely, with Pitt being 9-4 and PSU going 10-4...we could even end up ahead of them in the rankings if they get smashed in both games...seems about right...
C,mon TD, PoSU won the games they were supposed to,(Cupcake schedule), lost to Pitt, which didn't seem to matter because it was played early in the season when both were unranked, won 1 game they were supposed to lose, which at the time was early enough in the season to somehow get them in the rankings and because they did what they were "supposed" to do they get in the top 10? I call Bull**** on them deserving to be in there!
Okay, name the teams more deserving.
BTW, the fact that you think they were "supposed" to win all but 2 or 3 games on their schedule indicates you think they are pretty good. And they haven't been just winning, they have been dominating lately.
I think we are a bit lucky given that we gave up 61 points to Syracuse...and the other games we gave up a sh!t ton of points too. If we win our bowl game we should be in the in 20-25 range.
Yeah, they dominated three win Michigan State and two win Rutgers (the worst P5 team by far) and then before that they had that scintillating two touchdown win against a bad Indiana team when they were actually losing in the fourth quarter.
I think you could make some argument that the worst team is Purdue... and what do you know they played them too.
They dominated Iowa, who defeated Michigan and bent Nebraska over this week. tOSU beat Michigan State 17-16 just last week.
Nope. Thats fair game. 42-39 and 49-10 are probably going to keep the Nits out of the playoffs. tOSU & Michigan both have better overall resumes. However, PSU is definitely worthy of their Top 10 ranking going into the B10 Championship game.
I think it all comes down to how you think that teams should be ranked. If you look strictly at resumes then you can certainly make the case for Penn State at the bottom of the top ten. If you look at the actual strength of the team then they are almost certainly more than ten teams better than them right now.
As an example of what I am talking about, USC is better than the nitters right now but you might be able to make a "resume case" for the nitters to be ranked higher.
Right, but look at other ranked teams' resumes. There's blemishes. At least we haven't lost to any team we shouldn't have lost to.
PSU is definitely a top 10 team by resume, which is what you have to go on at this point in the season. If you don't, then why play the games. After all, if you wanted to look at actual strength of a team right now, then you would have teams like Louisville dropping 25 spots, which would be insane.
If you want actual strength of team, I think they would fall somewhere between 8 and 13.
If you want actual strength of team, I think they would fall somewhere between 8 and 13.
You're wasting your time arguing with TD. He's a long time PSU troll on this board. He'll defend all things PSU until his dying breath.
Ok nitwit and by the same logic, Pitt should by ahead of them because we were favored against them and we won every game we were favored to win
Sure they have blemishes too, but I don't feel that they are quite as outstanding as our complete lack of defense. It is astonishing how many points any team can put up against us. Average receivers can have great games. I also feel that we lost to teams that we should not have lost too, namely UNC and Miami...if we should have lost to them, well, then we don't belong top 25 since they are not in there.
The worst thing for Pitt is being ranked, because then we lose to a team we "should have beaten".
Good to see Pitt in the polls, but the polls are BS especially in reference to the CFP.
Someone please tell me how a team can be #3 in their own conference but #2 in the country and are 1-1 versus the two teams in their championship game . So no they don't belong in the CFP. if they do then what their saying is the big ten should have 3 teams in. Its not about playing on the field its about paying in the stands and tv ratings.
Someone please tell me how a team can be #3 in their own conference but #2 in the country and are 1-1 versus the two teams in their championship game . So no they don't belong in the CFP. if they do then what their saying is the big ten should have 3 teams in. Its not about playing on the field its about paying in the stands and tv ratings.
uh, because they are a better team than anyone else you may want to put ahead of them...do you disagree with that? their championship game is a geographical (not merit based--lest it would be OSU vs PSU) one else you would have mentioned Wisconsin's losses to TWO of the teams left out of it... .
The college championship committee is tasked with coming up with the four best teams... I think OSU is one of them.
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No Sidney your vision is off and incorrect. there IS A BIG differnce between Pit and PSU, its called strength of schedule.
Iowa and Pitt both just joined the top #25 .And Pitt played (and lost to ) Miami who was top 25 for most of the first half of the season and I believe top 10 and Carolina who was in the top 25 until their lost this week as well as Villanova who is currently ranked #11 in the FCS.an every team but three on Pitt's schedule has at least 8 wins, PSU has 4 teams with losing records and 2 with 6 wins, so no they are not equal or near each other.
"oldpantherfan, post: 1685492, member: 4960"]No Sidney your vision is off and incorrect. there IS A BIG differnce between Pit and PSU, its called strength of schedule.
I can accept that view too without complaint!
Iowa and Pitt both just joined the top #25 .And Pitt played (and lost to ) Miami who was top 25 for most of the first half of the season and I believe top 10 and Carolina who was in the top 25 until their lost this week as well as Villanova who is currently ranked #11 in the FCS.an every team but three on Pitt's schedule has at least 8 wins, PSU has 4 teams with losing records and 2 with 6 wins, so no they are not equal or near each other.
You make good point, and no question Pitt SOS is better, but the Big Ten Playoff Criteria, and CFB Playoff Criteria, just look at WINS & LOSSES.
I can accept you views too and stand corrected!
I can accept that view too without complaint!
Iowa and Pitt both just joined the top #25 .And Pitt played (and lost to ) Miami who was top 25 for most of the first half of the season and I believe top 10 and Carolina who was in the top 25 until their lost this week as well as Villanova who is currently ranked #11 in the FCS.an every team but three on Pitt's schedule has at least 8 wins, PSU has 4 teams with losing records and 2 with 6 wins, so no they are not equal or near each other.
You make good point, and no question Pitt SOS is better, but the Big Ten Playoff Criteria, and CFB Playoff Criteria, just look at WINS & LOSSES.
I can accept you views too and stand corrected!
I see that! Everything seems to be a "defense" in PoSU's favor. Yet, he has a picture of Tony Dorsett when he won the heisman in '76. Maybe that's when he was a Pitt fan last? LOL
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