Apologies to Mark Schmidt

[King Of All Message Boards]

Vader stop acting like the
know it all dickhead that
you sometimes do.

I took you on a few days
ago on here about Schmidt.
NOW you have numerous
posters who do know Bball,
attacking in the same vein.
"laymans terms?" Where the
F...do you get of on here
with that crap!? Some of
us have played, coached,
and been around and involved
with more Bball than you ever
have or will.

You are right about one thing.
The Bonnies have little to no
depth, and despite your pre Pitt
hype of Coulibaly, he too fits
in that depth problem. If they
lose one or two of those guards,
they'll go downhill fast. With
that said they're currently
ranked #16 in one poll and 18
in another. Doing that in Olean
N.Y. is iike a miracle. Do I want
to see Schmidt at Pitt?...No.
But your condescending rant
in this thread is off base.

That’s been his schtick since day 1. He wants everyone to think he’s some expert.

I don’t know much about all the efficiency stats so I don’t comment too much there. But the fact that he thinks he needs to explain to anyone that college hoops is a guards’ game is hysterical. And shows what a poser he is.

 

[Vader_Storm]

My God are you ….

I’m not putting him down by saying he would never see the court for Arkansas, I’m speaking the truth. But ok carry on with what a great player he is and his OCTRBGYOYR

Im not going there because his career is far from done. Im concerned about the Vanderbilt game next.


Ill go back to what I said yesterday however. If these 4 players-Femi, Will, Nate, and Big John, average 95-100+ in ORTG at seasons end, AND, we get Horton and Sibande another year, this team is going to be way better next year. I flat out guarantee it, and it is rare I use the word guarantee on anything.

And yes, I will most certainly stick with my advanced efficiency metrics, because they work.

 

[Drew1208]

Let the Hate flow though you Rivals board

 

[Chescat]

That’s been his schtick since day 1. He wants everyone to think he’s some expert.

I don’t know much about all the efficiency stats so I don’t comment too much there. But the fact that he thinks he needs to explain to anyone that college hoops is a guards’ game is hysterical. And shows what a poser he is.

He does do one thing very
well. He spends an inordinate
amount of time at h.s,
tourneys etc. His reports
on which players are leaning
to which colleges is great
info for this board.

His OVER use of ORTG type
stats is ridiculous. As you
said, you might not "know
much about efficiency stats"
but I've read your posts and
you do know what you're
looking at relative to Bball.

Don't get me started on his
OVER hype of players coming
to Pitt. Most on here need
to see them on the floor in
game time situations first.
For proof I give you Drumgoole,
Coulibaly, Payton, Collier, etc.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

Let the Hate flow though you Rivals board

No hate here. But when my bs meter is pinned and someone’s gonna be as condescending as he’s being it’s gonna be noted. And it’s not all bad related to him. He does bring some good info as far as who we’re after. But if you’re gonna be an expert and school us you gotta do better than telling us how important guards are in college hoops.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Let the Hate flow though you Rivals board

No hate, only love.

The numbers and stats don't lie, they are what they are as every game goes forward. Im not sugar coating any stats for any player or for Capel to put them in a positive or negative spotlight. The players have to improve on the court and sustain it over the course of the season.

And I think the 4 young guys ( Femi, Will, Big John, Nate) are going to be telling in terms of what ultimately happens with Capel. These 4 players are the future backbone and spine of this team. They either get it together and step up and improve or they don't. Its unfair pressure because this is really Johns first season, it certainly is Nates first season, and it should be Jeffress first season because he turned 18 not all that long ago. But the reset button for Capel is over. Its time to improve, now.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

He does do one thing very
well. He spends an inordinate
amount of time at h.s,
tourneys etc. His reports
on which players are leaning
to which colleges is great
info for this board.

His OVER use of ORTG type
stats is ridiculous. As you
said, you might not "know
much about efficiency stats"
but I've read your posts and
you do know what you're
looking at relative to Bball.

Don't get me started on his
OVER hype of players coming
to Pitt. Most on here need
to see them on the floor in
game time situations first.
For proof I give you Drumgoole,
Coulibaly, Payton, Collier, etc.

Meh. I likely know only a little but thanks. I’ve always loved college hoops so something’s gotta sink in. I doubt I know much beyond the very basics.

And I don’t dismiss the stats. I’m sure they’re valuable. But I do think there’s way more to it. I could be wrong but seems to me he places way too much emphasis on it even though analytics are prominent in just about any sport today.

 

[Vader_Storm]

Meh. I likely know only a little but thanks. I’ve always loved college hoops so something’s gotta sink in. I doubt I know much beyond the very basics.

And I don’t dismiss the stats. I’m sure they’re valuable. But I do think there’s way more to it. I could be wrong but seems to me he places way too much emphasis on it even though analytics are prominent in just about any sport today.

If the efficiency stats have any interest to you ( and I use a bunch of sites), you can go to a site like Torvik for example and start to follow along on our guys or any other team to see how we are progressing or failing.

Click on our team name. If you see something that is in green or dark green, a player is doing quite well with respect to the rest of the ncaa in a particular stat, like rebounding for example. If it is red or dark red, a player is doing very bad.

Its pretty easy to understand. For preseason purposes or early season purposes for offensive and defensive "team" efficiencies, there are weights from last season put in for adjustment. As more data is collected, these weights are ultimately removed after enough data is obtained, probably somewhere around 10-15 games worth of information.

For now, the individual efficiencies are far more important than the team efficiencies. There are no weights for individual efficiencies from start to finish.

A site like torvik will give you a real good idea of what is going on. And it is free.

 

[Chescat]

Meh. I likely know only a little but thanks. I’ve always loved college hoops so something’s gotta sink in. I doubt I know much beyond the very basics.

And I don’t dismiss the stats. I’m sure they’re valuable. But I do think there’s way more to it. I could be wrong but seems to me he places way too much emphasis on it even though analytics are prominent in just about any sport today.

For someone who says,
"I know a little"...IMO you
summed it up very well.

 

[Vader_Storm]

For someone who says,
"I know a little"...IMO you
summed it up very well.

For those that are interested,

T-Page for Pittsburgh - Customizable College Basketball Tempo Free Stats - T-Rank

T-Rank College Basketball Ratings and Rankings. And fun.

barttorvik.com

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

My God are you ….

I’m not putting him down by saying he would never see the court for Arkansas, I’m speaking the truth. But ok carry on with what a great player he is and his OCTRBGYOYR

Literally not see one second of the court. Horton gets the opportunities he gets because we stink. He should be a backup or 4th guard on a good team.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Im not going there because his career is far from done. Im concerned about the Vanderbilt game next.


Ill go back to what I said yesterday however. If these 4 players-Femi, Will, Nate, and Big John, average 95-100+ in ORTG at seasons end, AND, we get Horton and Sibande another year, this team is going to be way better next year. I flat out guarantee it, and it is rare I use the word guarantee on anything.

And yes, I will most certainly stick with my advanced efficiency metrics, because they work.

Femi isn’t gonna be at Pitt next year. This is his last Hurrah. Better make it a good one

 

[Vader_Storm]

Literally not see one second of the court. Horton gets the opportunities he gets because we stink. He should be a backup or 4th guard on a good team.

Horton's sophomore stats are almost identical to Ron Ramon's stats when Ramon was a senior. The only difference between the two were Ramon had more assists as a senior. The points, the shooting percentages across the board from 2, from 3, from the midrange, from the free throw line, the rebounding, the steals, everything was almost identical line for line across the entire board.

They are very close to being the same player. Ron as a senior had 2 more years of experience.

 

[Drew1208]

Femi isn’t gonna be at Pitt next year. This is his last Hurrah. Better make it a good one

What if he ends up having a successful season here?
More or less likely to leave??

 

[Vader_Storm]

What if he ends up having a successful season here?
More or less likely to leave??

This whole argument of players leaving or not leaving or improving or not improving after 4 games is silly.

We are only 4 games deep into the season. A players stats, like Femi or Nate, can quickly turn on a dime to the upside or the downside after another 4 games are played. The sample size is so small right now, things can change fast with more game stats accumulated. You cant make any premature conclusions either way after 4 games, there isn't enough sufficient data.

The only thing that should be considered is which players are trending to the positive or negative. For example, Oladapo has 4 games now in the positive and in the green. 4 games in a row is a trend. That is actual substance that he is consistently helping the team win.

 

[Drew1208]

This whole argument of players leaving or not leaving or improving or not improving after 4 games is silly.

We are only 4 games deep into the season. A players stats, like Femi or Nate, can quickly turn on a dime to the upside or the downside after another 4 games are played. The sample size is so small right now, things can change fast with more game stats accumulated. You cant make any premature conclusions either way after 4 games, there isn't enough sufficient data.

The only thing that should be considered is which players are trending to the positive or negative. For example, Oladapo has 4 games now in the positive and in the green. 4 games in a row is a trend. That is actual substance that he is consistently helping the team win.

I agree because people change their minds all the time.

However i do believe bball insider has heard things.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Horton's sophomore stats are almost identical to Ron Ramon's stats when Ramon was a senior. The only difference between the two were Ramon had more assists as a senior. The points, the shooting percentages across the board from 2, from 3, from the midrange, from the free throw line, the rebounding, the steals, everything was almost identical line for line across the entire board.

They are very close to being the same player. Ron as a senior had 2 more years of experience.

Horton is in his 4th year of college. He was a junior last year. You always try to present something as a fact while misrepresenting half of the situation.

And if Ramon was looked upon to be the leading scorer for any of the teams he played for instead of a sniper/backup PG, he would’ve been out of his element too.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I agree because people change their minds all the time.

However i do believe bball insider has heard things.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone at break. Heard similar things about Will, but not sure who would take him rn

 

[rockypanther]

Horton's sophomore stats are almost identical to Ron Ramon's stats when Ramon was a senior. The only difference between the two were Ramon had more assists as a senior. The points, the shooting percentages across the board from 2, from 3, from the midrange, from the free throw line, the rebounding, the steals, everything was almost identical line for line across the entire board.

They are very close to being the same player. Ron as a senior had 2 more years of experience.

Wasn’t that the year Ramon pretty much only played PG?

 

[Vader_Storm]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s gone at break. Heard similar things about Will, but not sure who would take him rn

Will's father is actively talking and supporting the team on social media on a daily basis in a positive manner. Daily.

When Will's father stops doing that, then maybe you have a guess on the table that could fly.


Actual words have more merit than rumors. There were a lot of people that said Horton was gone too and that had blew up in their face. If you want to go back to what I said regarding Horton transferring, I said I didnt know anything either way about Horton. It turned out it was one big misunderstanding that turned into a bad rumor that spread like a virus. It took Horton to address this issue publicly. Guessing doesn't count.

 

[rockypanther]

I agree because people change their minds all the time.

However i do believe bball insider has heard things.

I think it’s unrealistic now a days to think you won’t have at least one transfer from a place like Pitt to a better school. I don’t know who. But it would be very surprising if those 4 come back for next year. And with Capel, he has shown whoever he gets won’t be as good as Hugley or Femi right away.

 

[Vader_Storm]

I think it’s unrealistic now a days to think you won’t have at least one transfer from a place like Pitt to a better school. I don’t know who. But it would be very surprising if those 4 come back for next year. And with Capel, he has shown whoever he gets won’t be as good as Hugley or Femi right away.

There could be a lot of scenarios at seasons end. We don't even have a recruit coming in right now.

I think a lot will depend on how this team plays from here throughout the rest of the year. Either there is hope shown and a team competitiveness, or there is not. From my understanding, this group is far closer together than in past years.

Could that change, sure. For now, our guys are still together. And there are open videos from most of our key guys talking about the rest of the team.

Femi is very close friends with Champ. It would be strange for him not to trust in Capel like Champ did but if the wheels fully fall off this season, then maybe. Capel got Champ to the NBA. Femi isnt stupid.

 

[Vader_Storm]

There could be a lot of scenarios at seasons end. We don't even have a recruit coming in right now.

I think a lot will depend on how this team plays from here throughout the rest of the year. Either there is hope shown and a team competitiveness, or there is not. From my understanding, this group is far closer together than in past years.

Could that change, sure. For now, our guys are still together. And there are open videos from most of our key guys talking about the rest of the team.

Femi is very close friends with Champ. It would be strange for him not to trust in Capel like Champ did but if the wheels fully fall off this season, then maybe. Capel got Champ to the NBA. Femi isnt stupid.

I actually went back on Will's fathers profile just now. Its kind of ironic he sent out a tweet just yesterday to the "core" of Femi, Will, Nate, Big John and Noah to keep the fight and passion going at Pitt.

 

[JD1976]

Has anyone really looked at Schmidt's team this year with the Bonnies?

Honestly?



The Bonnies have 6 players total that produce on offense at any kind of respectable level, and that includes Karim Coulibaly as the 6th man, a player many people didn't even like at Pitt a year ago. They have zero depth at all.

If they have anywhere near the type of injuries, suspensions, or overall black cloud curse that Capel has had the last 2 years, this Bonnies team is going to start losing to everybody and have a complete collapse. They have nothing outside their top 6 players right now. Their depth players look like our walkon point guard and everyone should know the disaster that has been so far at Pitt.

Be careful what you wish for when hyping Schmidt and this Bonnie team. Because his team is 1 or 2 key injuries away this year from a major collapse.

Yeah, I have really looked at the Bonnies thank you. They are a 2nd weekend NCAA team and have the talent to make a Butler/Loyola-esque Final 4 run given they catch a break or get a little luck of the draw. Also, why do you need to play 10 guys when you have 5 sure-fire solid starters?

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Yeah, I have really looked at the Bonnies thank you. They are a 2nd weekend NCAA team and have the talent to make a Butler/Loyola-esque Final 4 run given they catch a break or get a little luck of the draw. Also, why do you need to play 10 guys when you have 5 sure-fire solid starters?

Remember that year BK averaged over 40 mins a game? Unreal we had no depth behind him. Would’ve loved to sit him.

 

[JD1976]

Remember that year BK averaged over 40 mins a game? Unreal we had no depth behind him. Would’ve loved to sit him.

Depth is overrated. When has Duke ever gone more than 7 deep after December?

 

[Vader_Storm]

Depth is overrated. When has Duke ever gone more than 7 deep after December?

Duke has had a minimum of 9 players over 95+ in ORTG every single year except 1 dating back to 2008 on Torvik which is the furthest the ranking system goes.


The Bonnies depth includes player ORTG's of 80, 47, and 3 players at 0. The very first time they get into foul trouble, they are done and will lose in the tournament.

 

[JD1976]

Duke has had a minimum of 9 players over 95+ in ORTG every single year except 1 dating back to 2008 on Torvik which is the furthest the ranking system goes.


The Bonnies depth includes player ORTG's of 80, 47, and 3 players at 0. The very first time they get into foul trouble, they are done and will lose in the tournament.

This means nothing. Duke absolutely has not been meaningfully deep for 14 straight seasons. This what drives me nuts about people who only look at analytics… you can come up numbers that support any conclusion you want, but you ignore what your eyeballs are seeing.

 

[Vader_Storm]

This means nothing. Duke absolutely has not been meaningfully deep for 14 straight seasons.

Well go ahead and pick the Bonnies then if you are so certain. But Im telling you, when they get into foul trouble or foul out, they are done. A team like that going up against Gonzaga or UCLA with depth players as bad as the Bonnies have and they will get blown out. Badly. Im talking a beating. Its your choice.

 

[rockypanther]

There could be a lot of scenarios at seasons end. We don't even have a recruit coming in right now.

I think a lot will depend on how this team plays from here throughout the rest of the year. Either there is hope shown and a team competitiveness, or there is not. From my understanding, this group is far closer together than in past years.

Could that change, sure. For now, our guys are still together. And there are open videos from most of our key guys talking about the rest of the team.

Femi is very close friends with Champ. It would be strange for him not to trust in Capel like Champ did but if the wheels fully fall off this season, then maybe. Capel got Champ to the NBA. Femi isnt stupid.

Champ got Champ to the NBA. Capel maybe helped some with his development. But he didn’t design special offenses are anything like that to help showcase Champ. If Capel got Champ to the NBA how do you account for all the others he failed to even be ACC level players. Femi knows that as well.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

Well go ahead and pick the Bonnies then if you are so certain. But Im telling you, when they get into foul trouble or foul out, they are done. A team like that going up against Gonzaga or UCLA with depth players as bad as the Bonnies have and they will get blown out. Badly. Im talking a beating. Its your choice.

Lol going against the #2 or 3 team in the country Schmidt’s A10 school is screwed if they get in foul trouble. Great examples.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

I was wrong about Schmidt. I’m impressed by the job he has done at St. Bonaventure. I thought he may have peaked when we were looking at him, but his program has actually ascended.

 

[pittjas]

Eh. Been plenty of problems but I think development is fine. Champ came in as a kid outside the Top 100 and left early for the NBA. Toney got way better. X got better. Hugley’s gotten better.

AKC got a lot better from Year 1 to Year 2.

 

[pittjas]

@BballinsiderfromPitt why hasn’t Schmidt gotten a P5 job yet? Gotta be something holding him back

 

[Vader_Storm]

Champ got Champ to the NBA. Capel maybe helped some with his development. But he didn’t design special offenses are anything like that to help showcase Champ. If Capel got Champ to the NBA how do you account for all the others he failed to even be ACC level players. Femi knows that as well.

Champ improved to get to the NBA.

Audiese Toney has improved every single year in college. He improved a ton under Capel and improved even more his senior year at Arkansas. He is turning into a terrific college player and was a borderline all conference performer last year at Pitt. Still maybe not the best teammate, but a great player.


Xavier Johnson improved from his freshmen year until now. He still isn't a great player, but he is respectable. X doesnt listen to anybody except his own outside influences hyping his ability. He still gets bench by other coaches besides Jeff Capel for turning the ball over and not listening. He is what he is. His efficiency metrics certainly improved.


AKC improved a lot from his freshmen season until now. His efficiency metrics speak for itself. He is playing on a ranked team currently in a backup role.


Mcgowens never improved, not under Capel and not at Nebraska. He is still the same straight line player that cant do anything outside of the dribble drive and in transition. He's never going to improve and no coach is going to help him.

Drumgoole is a bust. Terrell Brown is hopeless

There isnt enough data on anyone else yet. Although Hugley and Jeffress certainly look much better than last year.

 

[Drew1208]

Champ got Champ to the NBA. Capel maybe helped some with his development. But he didn’t design special offenses are anything like that to help showcase Champ. If Capel got Champ to the NBA how do you account for all the others he failed to even be ACC level players. Femi knows that as well.

Yeah he did.

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

@BballinsiderfromPitt why hasn’t Schmidt gotten a P5 job yet? Gotta be something holding him back

Probably same reason we didn’t give him the job? Middle aged white guy isn’t sexy or cool…. I think he would’ve been a better choice at BC than Earl Grant. Earl Grant had never recruited higher than Cof C and instantly got a better PG than weve recruited in 4 years… so thinking a guy can’t recruit because of the level is ridiculous. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had like 5 good years of 15. Instantly got a better staff at Oklahoma and is doing a great job recruiting. Not hard to figure out. Guys who are great at what they do figure it out. Did Brad Underwood fail because he ONLY had been at SFA and Oklahoma state for 1 year? That’s such a dumb argument. If you can coach, manage a program, manage talent and manage a staff of hungry recruiters, you can do it at any level.

 

[pittjas]

Probably same reason we didn’t give him the job? Middle aged white guy isn’t sexy or cool…. I think he would’ve been a better choice at BC than Earl Grant. Earl Grant had never recruited higher than Cof C and instantly got a better PG than weve recruited in 4 years… so thinking a guy can’t recruit because of the level is ridiculous. Look at Porter Moser at Loyola. He had like 5 good years of 15. Instantly got a better staff at Oklahoma and is doing a great job recruiting. Not hard to figure out. Guys who are great at what they do figure it out. Did Brad Underwood fail because he ONLY had been at SFA and Oklahoma state for 1 year? That’s such a dumb argument. If you can coach, manage a program, manage talent and manage a staff of hungry recruiters, you can do it at any level.

I completely agree with your post. But there’s clearly a reason he’s passed up year after year

 

[BballinsiderfromPitt]

I completely agree with your post. But there’s clearly a reason he’s passed up year after year

I don’t know how to say this without sounding a certain way but it seemed like every post was filled and every hot coach this year was African American.

 

[4upmc]

Lol going against the #2 or 3 team in the country Schmidt’s A10 school is screwed if they get in foul trouble. Great examples.

The #2 and #3 teams should be St Bona and almost everyone. Yep he’s really reaching with these dumb examples.