APR

[poconopanther]

I believe this is the academic progress rate which measures the retention levels of players that enter a school and finish their degree according to the NCAA. Well if the meaning of this benchmark is what I understand it to be than -not only Pitt but a majority of teams will suffer dramatically because of the transfer portal and the free one year transfer rule about to be official soon. This is especially so in hoops because of the smaller rosters as opposed to football. For example In Capels two classes McGOWENS, Johnson, Toney, Murphyand Drumgogle have transferred out so Pitt,s APR will take a dramatic hit.Add that to the Stallings era and we may be towards the bottom tier of schools. Meanwhile Pitt.
Meanwhile Pitt is in much better shape for football with few transfers over the past few years. However I do expect several transfers at the end of spring ball and the semester among those that don’t appear to factor into plans of the staff for next season. One Quarterback is likely if a backup is established after spring ball.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Apr only measures how many students on scholarship and who’s eligible- to ensure athletes are staying academically eligible .

the graduation rate is different and transfers don’t count in that number at either their new or old institution

 

[PittMan 72]

I believe this is the academic progress rate which measures the retention levels of players that enter a school and finish their degree according to the NCAA. Well if the meaning of this benchmark is what I understand it to be than -not only Pitt but a majority of teams will suffer dramatically because of the transfer portal and the free one year transfer rule about to be official soon. This is especially so in hoops because of the smaller rosters as opposed to football. For example In Capels two classes McGOWENS, Johnson, Toney, Murphyand Drumgogle have transferred out so Pitt,s APR will take a dramatic hit.Add that to the Stallings era and we may be towards the bottom tier of schools. Meanwhile Pitt.
Meanwhile Pitt is in much better shape for football with few transfers over the past few years. However I do expect several transfers at the end of spring ball and the semester among those that don’t appear to factor into plans of the staff for next season. One Quarterback is likely if a backup is established after spring ball.

Pitt’s APR? If it’s affected by transfers, almost everybody’s. will take a hit. There are staggering numbers already in the Portal, with likely many more to come when the CBB season is officially over after the tournaments.

Reason says there has to be some cause and effect associated with the APR and the Transfer Portal that would result in some changes in that regard to accommodate the new freedom of movement. Of course, this IS the NCAA so . . . . .

 

[poconopanther]

Apr only measures how many students on scholarship and who’s eligible- to ensure athletes are staying academically eligible .

the graduation rate is different and transfers don’t count in that number at either their new or old institution

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Thanks for the clarification.

I had to look up the ncaa definitions
As usual clear as mud

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

It's a complete joke. What a stupid attempt to try and make it seem like academics matter.

 

[poconopanther]

Pitt’s APR? If it’s affected by transfers, almost everybody’s. will take a hit. There are staggering numbers already in the Portal, with likely many more to come when the CBB season is officially over after the tournaments.

Reason says there has to be some cause and effect associated with the APR and the Transfer Portal that would result in some changes in that regard to accommodate the new freedom of movement. Of course, this IS the NCAA so . . . . .

you are right about that last statement - who knows about their decisions and the many inconsistencies.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

It's a complete joke. What a stupid attempt to try and make it seem like academics matter.

Correct
It’s always a house of cards only for appearances
It’s also primarily toothless since the it only limits some practice time

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Correct
It’s always a house of cards only for appearances
It’s also primarily toothless since the it only limits some practice time

I mean, UNC had make believe classes and because they offered it so some of the general student population they skated by......

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

It’s also primarily toothless since the it only limits some practice time

That is not correct. If your APR drops low enough you get postseason bans. For instance several years ago UConn was banned from the men's basketball tournament one year because their APR was too low.

One year with a score too low causes a warning. The second time it's a loss of scholarships. UConn lost two one year. Then if you still can't meet the number you get a tournament ban. UConn made it all the way to a tournament ban.

And let's be honest. Your APR should NEVER be low enough to get penalized. You almost have to be trying, or, well, I guess not trying to be that bad.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

That is not correct. If your APR drops low enough you get postseason bans. For instance several years ago UConn was banned from the men's basketball tournament one year because their APR was too low.

One year with a score too low causes a warning. The second time it's a loss of scholarships. UConn lost two one year. Then if you still can't meet the number you get a tournament ban. UConn made it all the way to a tournament ban.

And let's be honest. Your APR should NEVER be low enough to get penalized. You almost have to be trying, or, well, I guess not trying to be that bad.

I think they also adjusted the definition to not punish programs - essentially to limit the harm of athletes going pro-
Which is was was killing uconn - a bunch of ineligible second semester dudes because they left school leaving in bad academic standing
So the 2011 players were punished for the 2007 players. I know the intent is to hurt the coach - but it’s always been a silly metric and a charade

 

[Pitt_Boss]

It used to be that any transfer hurt your ratings, but they changed it a few years ago that is the transfer is in good academic standing when they leave, then it doesn't hurt the rating.

 

[levance2]

Which is was was killing uconn - a bunch of ineligible second semester dudes because they left school leaving in bad academic standing
So the 2011 players were punished for the 2007 players. I know the intent is to hurt the coach - but it’s always been a silly metric and a charade

What impacts the APR is if a guy going pro or transferring out just aborts his academics in the second semester and leaves in poor standing. When people complain about one-and-dones at UK or Duke not needing to stay eligible, this is disingenuous because it would very quickly catch up with the program and get them sanctions. These schools, and all schools, have figured out what credits should be taken when so these kids can manage to skate by with minimal effort.

I don't agree with the premise of this thread, but it is possible that our APR will take a hit based on having guys leave the program in the middle of the season. With that said, as long as it is a one-time blip, it shouldn't really affect us. Hell, we aren't making the postseason anyway, so who cares?