We are in deep trouble if we have to keep going back to the Wanny discussions. I sat in the stands when he lost to Bowling freakin Green, when he got stomped by Rutgers, and when he made Randy Etsell look like Nick Saban. Wanny is gone, and if Narduzzi doesn't get better fast he will be to.
Are we back to Majors II?
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You people are ridiculous? Do you think Wanny's players were any worse than any other teams? Of course not, if a player gets into a bar fight at PSU, Alabama, Auburn, or Miss St, the State College PD, Tuscaloosa PD, Auburn PD, Starkville PD, etc call the coach and let them handle the "punishment." A big city PD like Pittsburgh isn't going to do that.
I wish that were true my friend but even if Pitt finishes 4-8 Narduzzi isn't going anywhere. I do think his seat will start to get pretty warm though and the following year will be the key. Another losing season in 2019 and I believe Narduzzi will be out. But I disagree with you when you said that's what AD's do, extend him because she was forced to do it in big time football. Narduzzi finished with a losing record. There was no reason for her to extend him at that time. The extension should have been made after this season if Pitt was on the right track.
Unfortunately I think beating a vastly overrated Miami team clouded her and lots of other's judgement.
Which speaks volumes to the lack of recruiting. Contrary to popular opinion coaches play their best players. Unfortunately if guys don’t show it in practice they are going to play on saturdays. If those 5th year players are all you have then it means you are not getting the job done on the recruiting trail.
I said when they extended him there was just as much risk extending him as not extending him. They really needed one more data point to make a decision on whether the program was headed up, down or staying the same. I personally would have waited a year and then made a decision. She chose to offer him and hope that success followed. It was a risk either way, they could have had to pay more or had him leave if they waited. But if he falters badly this season they will have to stick with him, even if it looks like a lost cause or eat a huge amount of the contract which will hinder the efforts to hire a new guy.
They should stick with him strictly on the admittedly flawed George Costanza reasoning that it would be the opposite of everything we've done since 1982 ... mainly, keep changing the guy every few years. It absolutely doesn't mean it would work. It means the other way was proven not to work so perhaps the opposite will.
Otherwise known as the Frank Beamer Wishful Thinking strategy, in that you keep a moderately competent guy in place long enough, maybe he has some successful season merely via law of averages, and with enough of those, transcends into a 'legend'.
What the heck else do we have, really?
Otherwise known as the Frank Beamer Wishful Thinking strategy, in that you keep a moderately competent guy in place long enough, maybe he has some successful season merely via law of averages, and with enough of those, transcends into a 'legend'.
What the heck else do we have, really?
yeah, he sounds like Hillgrove or Bostick who throw that one out every single season...the young team excuse.
5-7 finish he is safe, but the seat will be warm especially with a blow out to PSU and potential one against ND and UCF.
But 3-9, 4-8.....who knows. All bets off at that point. Although 4-8 is probably safe and it would have to be a big collapse like a 3-9 finish to move the needle.
UNC is kind of the barometer. They are historically bad this year. But we have never beaten them in the ACC. A loss this year and I'm thinking we see a 3-9 season and something may happen.
That's an interesting hot take after the Bookser incident. The guy fled the police and damaged other vehicles. Missed one game against a nobody. Sounds like something right out of the SEC playbook. But please tell us more how Pitt is the only school that cracks down on their players
After that weekend where like 15 players signed up at once, a couple of people called me like miserable or insufferable because I wasn't necessarily that impressed in recruiting overall and I didn't understand the excitement about so many 3 star guys. Like we've been getting 3 star guys for a long time and unless it's a James Conner diamond-in-the-rough scenario, most of them end up being marginal P5 players that then lose about half their games.
I am not one of those sky is falling miserable Pitt fans. If the other board went back far enough you could see I was very pro Walt, maybe overly pro Wanny, pro Chryst, and have been moderately pro Narduzzi. Graham is the only hire I was really upset at and I thought he deserved a chance despite like lying as early as his opening press conference (I pretend Haywood never happened.)
Narduzzi will probably get a chance to fill up the whole damn roster with his own players next year. I hope he succeeds because I am tired of the turnover. But the absurd levels of optimism some felt going into this year seemed really out of line with experts from Vegas (5.5 or so wins) to pre-season pollsters, other coaches in our conference, and the scouting books that had most of our offensive and defensive units ranked between 5th and 12th in the conference. There is no single part of our team that is dominant and no transcendent player who has emerged yet.
The correct optimistic-yet-realistic approach to this year is to show up and cross your fingers. We have regressed to our four decade spot of mediocrity with a team that didn't seem to easily out-athlete even Albany.
I am not one of those sky is falling miserable Pitt fans. If the other board went back far enough you could see I was very pro Walt, maybe overly pro Wanny, pro Chryst, and have been moderately pro Narduzzi. Graham is the only hire I was really upset at and I thought he deserved a chance despite like lying as early as his opening press conference (I pretend Haywood never happened.)
Narduzzi will probably get a chance to fill up the whole damn roster with his own players next year. I hope he succeeds because I am tired of the turnover. But the absurd levels of optimism some felt going into this year seemed really out of line with experts from Vegas (5.5 or so wins) to pre-season pollsters, other coaches in our conference, and the scouting books that had most of our offensive and defensive units ranked between 5th and 12th in the conference. There is no single part of our team that is dominant and no transcendent player who has emerged yet.
The correct optimistic-yet-realistic approach to this year is to show up and cross your fingers. We have regressed to our four decade spot of mediocrity with a team that didn't seem to easily out-athlete even Albany.
1 game is what he should have gotten. Same with Tyler Boyd for getting pulled over after not even being legally drunk (if he was a couple months older).
It is just common sense. Small Hick Town PD is not going to charge athletes for the stuff Wanny's kids did. Heck, they dont even charge players for raping women. Do you really think State College PD, all of whom are diehard PSU fans are going to arrest a PSU player because he got into a fight locally? Riiiiiiight.
all true, but just once, maybe we could over-achieve? Yeah we are picked to win 5.5, but why not surprise and win 9? No one had the nits ranked to start 2016 and they won more than predicted.
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I wasn't posting at the time but would have supported that. First, I truly appreciate any player who commits to Pitt and normally trust the coach who thought enough to extend a bonafide offer; it's his funeral if things don't work out (though the blow of failure is typically softened by a sweet buyout).
But the single day thing seemed like a cheap stunt, where they wanted to make a splash with volume and not quality. It simply has to be suspected, given the context of how the rest of recruiting went before and has gone since. Some are decent prospects no doubt, but for others it appeared they were offering and taking anyone with a pulse that day to try to get numbers and pub.
And given the silence that mostly followed for weeks after, i had the vision they turned off the phones after that day, and all went to beach.
I feel bad assuming the worst and not the best, because these coaches do have incredibly tough tasks kissing tails of 16 and 17 year olds with stage parents and handlers who demand payola and perks; and the kids are human beings and not stars on paper.
But as things have gone since, my doubts have definitely not lessened.
I sat through every minute of Majors 2.0 in person and, no, not even close to that. In fact, it's an asinine question.
WTH does a bar fight have to do with reckless driving? He should have been in jail and the majority of your board knows it. That was not his first issue with alcohol. Your post makes no sense as usual. The point was he deserved way more than one game and it proved Pitt is not tough on the FB players even though you would like to think so.
JMII gave up on recruiting after the first year and basically the program was a mess to the level that goes well beyond where we are now.
But the schedules were way harder than what Wanny, Graham, Chryst, or even Narduzzi faced. In 1993, 7 of our 11 opponents were ranked. We decided playing series with Texas and Ohio State would be a great idea in addition to the Notre Dame rivalry and yearly match ups against national title contender Miami teams. Like I get complaining about the bad luck of the UCF game, but at least it wasn't "oh let's take on Ohio State and Texas with our borderline I-AA level team. In the same year."
My point is maybe he would have had some 5-6 type seasons instead of 3-8 if they were more regular schedules and the gap wouldn't seem as extreme as our more regular down years.
But the schedules were way harder than what Wanny, Graham, Chryst, or even Narduzzi faced. In 1993, 7 of our 11 opponents were ranked. We decided playing series with Texas and Ohio State would be a great idea in addition to the Notre Dame rivalry and yearly match ups against national title contender Miami teams. Like I get complaining about the bad luck of the UCF game, but at least it wasn't "oh let's take on Ohio State and Texas with our borderline I-AA level team. In the same year."
My point is maybe he would have had some 5-6 type seasons instead of 3-8 if they were more regular schedules and the gap wouldn't seem as extreme as our more regular down years.
Why did Bookser deserve any games? Drunk driving is not related to football. This country has laws in place to deal with drunk drivers.
uh, ya, uh, driving drunk on the sidewalk and endangering fellow students at the University that puts out 130 grand + to you such that you can play a game is why....pretty much the same way as punching a prof is also not related to football but might garner some time off...geez...
Not football related. No games.
I wouldn't suspend anybody for anything. If you kill, rape, hit women, or commit armed robbery, you are off the team. Anything other than that, I would let the law deal with them and they suit up
my goodness I did not think you could dumb down this post anymore, but alas here you are...hahahaha. good to know Bookster can kick Narduzzi in the head with an iron boot and still start in your bizarre world...
keep going, I need to laugh off that game and this is great therapy...
Honestly as it applies to football discipline, the sole dispute I have is the inconsistency. Pitt is maddeningly inconsistent in applying it. If it were based on depth chart justice like others, maybe i would or wouldn't be proud of it, but i'd grudgingly respect in on "ends justify means" basis. But then we see others ... important players and recruits at that... get what appears to be extreme discipline for offenses that other schools chortle about.
I absolutely completely totally understand the need, nay, legal requirement even, for confidentiality (wink wink) ... but it would be smart business, and it is a big business, for the school to use surreptitious fourth or fifth parties to 'leak' at least high level details to mollify the paying customers (I'm trusting they're at least smart enough to make sure important sponsors and donors are informed).
Geez. 99% it is weed, booze, missing class, a fight, or some variation. Not exactly state secrets.
get what appears to be extreme discipline for offenses that other schools chortle about....the player in question was involved in a high speed chase with police while drunk and road his vehicle onto a sidewalk on campus...caught on film...not sure any other schools out there that would "laugh in a breathy, gleeful way; chuckle" (yep I had to look up chortle) about.
ok,. ok...here go...Punch Narduzzi, suspension....Punch a boy scout selling popcorn, wait for the courts to handle it, play ball!...hahahahaha
odd, why the hit women exemption?..last time I checked and as a wise man once said...not football related...,
dude, seriously you made this silly circular point...
I wouldn't suspend anybody for anything. If you kill, rape, hit women, or commit armed robbery, you are off the team.
See there's the maddening inconsistency. That sounded totally worthy of a freaking YEAR if not outright expulsion. It looked like the encyclopedia, or at least wikipedia, description of Depth Chart Justice ... whether you dig that or hate it. Yet it occurred in the midst of other situations... one can only assume apocalyptic atrocities when discipline was compared ... that saw Pitt's best (only?) defensive star get 3 freaking games, against two of our toughest opponents. That's the polar opposite of depth chart justice.
OK, if you punch a little kid, you are kicked off the team not suspended. If you punch a random guy, no suspension
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