Army, Navy, and random college football thoughts

[Sean Miller Fan]

- Army and Navy are probably going to play each other 2 weeks in a row. December 7 in the American Athletic Conference Championship and then December 14 in the Army/Navy game. I wonder if they'd just cancel the AAC Championship and make the Army/Navy game on December 14 the championship game. Playing 2 weeks in a row seems stupid. Both teams play ND and while everyone is penciling in Boise for the G5 slot, if Army or Navy goes unbeaten.....or finish with 1 loss and Boise loses another, I think Army or Navy go to the CFP and that would be awesome.

- Oklahoma: they are finished as a program. They are the new Nebraska. Both Oklahoma and Nebraska needed the Big 12 so they can recruit Texas. Neither school has a local recruiting base. With Texas becoming an SEC state, all of a sudden, OU has more competition to recruit there and I dont see them doing any better than Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, etc. I think OU is done.

- Somebody check on Stanford. They don't seem too interested in football. Need a new coach to reinvigorate that program. There werent 5000 people at their game vs SMU.

- Speaking of SMU, maybe its just me but I've always thought the SMU uniforms remind me of some fake team from a movie or TV show. Not sure what it is but the Mustang helmet kinda looks generic and maybe its because I've probably watched almost no SMU football in my life. They've always been in a league that I had no interest in and they never played those Tue/Wed night games which are great for TV. Watched a lot of UTEP this year because they are a Wednesday special.

- So much stadium constuction going on where almost entire sides of stadiums are being ripped out and replaced: Army, Vandy, SJSU, FSU, Oregon St, Memphis, etc. Some interesting visuals.

- With the shift to putting better games on ACCN and SECN, the ESPN2 and ESPNU games now are bad. Its like an AAC, Sun Belt, and FCS fiesta. I remember back in the day if we could get ESPN2, it was a big deal. Now North Dakota State is playing South Dakota State on ESPN2 primetime.

- What would possess Arch Manning to volunteer to ride the bench for 2 years? If his life's goal was to be QB1 @ Texas, why not go play for Arkansas or someone like that for 2 years and then transfer? It never ceases to amaze me how willing guys are to sit the bench.

 

[cashisking884]

Oklahoma wasn’t going to recruit Texas any better in a second rate Big 12.

Recruiting Texas with A&M and UT in the SEC and them not, would have been impossible.

The SEC was the best they were going to be able to do. But I agree. The landscape of college football is leaving them behind. To difficult to go as far away as they need to go to recruit, to maintain an elite program when those bases are dominated by local machines.

They also aren’t serious about truly winning. The stories that OU insiders talk about in terms of compliance enforcement is just not something you’d ever hear coming out of Ohio State or SEC schools. OU has always been the least dirty of the major schools, and it holds them back relative to the others.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Oklahoma wasn’t going to recruit Texas any better in a second rate Big 12.

Recruiting Texas with A&M and UT in the SEC and them not, would have been impossible.

The SEC was the best they were going to be able to do. But I agree. The landscape of college football is leaving them behind. To difficult to go as far away as they need to go to recruit, to maintain an elite program when those bases are dominated by local machines.

They also aren’t serious about truly winning. The stories that OU insiders talk about in terms of compliance enforcement is just not something you’d ever hear coming out of Ohio State or SEC schools. OU has always been the least dirty of the major schools, and it holds them back relative to the others.

I didn't mean to suggest they should have turned down an SEC invite. I just meant they needed the B12 to stay intact. They are just an also-ran in the SEC. Basically they will be Auburn. 8-4, 7-5. Maybe once a decade they can have a really good team. They remind me a little of when Syracuse hoops left the Big East. Syracuse lost that I95 corridor recruiting base and all of a sudden started losing recruits to Nova, Prov, SHU, PSU, Rut, etc. Surprised to hear they are strict with compliance. Not sure I believe that.

 

[Dointhatrag]

These were all pretty much rational and thoughtful out comments. I must commend smf

 

[ratking17]

Stanford needs Walt to come out of retirement again

 

[happjack]

- Army and Navy are probably going to play each other 2 weeks in a row. December 7 in the American Athletic Conference Championship and then December 14 in the Army/Navy game. I wonder if they'd just cancel the AAC Championship and make the Army/Navy game on December 14 the championship game. Playing 2 weeks in a row seems stupid. Both teams play ND and while everyone is penciling in Boise for the G5 slot, if Army or Navy goes unbeaten.....or finish with 1 loss and Boise loses another, I think Army or Navy go to the CFP and that would be awesome.

The AAC Championship Game is contracted to ESPN/ABC and the Army-Navy Game is contracted to CBS, so the chances of canceling the AAC Championship are zero.

 

[cashisking884]

Stanford needs Walt to come out of retirement again

They need the transfer portal to be ended.

 

[Upg bobcat]

The AAC Championship Game is contracted to ESPN/ABC and the Army-Navy Game is contracted to CBS, so the chances of canceling the AAC Championship are zero.

Well there is also the fact that top 5 ranked conference champions make the playoff. So a lot could be riding on that AAC Championship game. If anything, they would cancel the Dec. 14 game.

 

[MorningCoffee13]

Well there is also the fact that top 5 ranked conference champions make the playoff. So a lot could be riding on that AAC Championship game. If anything, they would cancel the Dec. 14 game.

There is not one single chance in the world the December 14 game would be canceled.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There is not one single chance in the world the December 14 game would be canceled.

There is no chance that either game is going to get canceled.

 

[12162022]

There is no chance that either game is going to get canceled.

Weak coffee. Noncaff?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Weak coffee. Noncaff?

I admit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I do, however, know that there is no chance that they are cancelling either the AAC championship game or the Army-Navy game.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I admit, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I do, however, know that there is no chance that they are cancelling either the AAC championship game or the Army-Navy game.

There is a 0% chance that the Army/Navy game gets canceled. However, there is a very small chance that an American Athletic Conference Championship game between Army and Navy gets canceled. The AAC did this in 2020 when Cincy and Tulsa would have played 2 in a row. Of course, that was the Covid year so it made more sense then but its not unprecedented. I get that Disney owns the rights to the AAC Championship and I'm sure they'd love to televise and Army/Navy Championship game. That said, everything has a price. If Army & Navy don't want to play 2 in a row, I'm sure those 2 programs plus the AAC office could reach a financial settlement with Disney to not play it.

 

[taylorpitt1]

- Army and Navy are probably going to play each other 2 weeks in a row. December 7 in the American Athletic Conference Championship and then December 14 in the Army/Navy game. I wonder if they'd just cancel the AAC Championship and make the Army/Navy game on December 14 the championship game. Playing 2 weeks in a row seems stupid. Both teams play ND and while everyone is penciling in Boise for the G5 slot, if Army or Navy goes unbeaten.....or finish with 1 loss and Boise loses another, I think Army or Navy go to the CFP and that would be awesome.

- Oklahoma: they are finished as a program. They are the new Nebraska. Both Oklahoma and Nebraska needed the Big 12 so they can recruit Texas. Neither school has a local recruiting base. With Texas becoming an SEC state, all of a sudden, OU has more competition to recruit there and I dont see them doing any better than Texas A&M, Arkansas, Mississippi, etc. I think OU is done.

- Somebody check on Stanford. They don't seem too interested in football. Need a new coach to reinvigorate that program. There werent 5000 people at their game vs SMU.

- Speaking of SMU, maybe its just me but I've always thought the SMU uniforms remind me of some fake team from a movie or TV show. Not sure what it is but the Mustang helmet kinda looks generic and maybe its because I've probably watched almost no SMU football in my life. They've always been in a league that I had no interest in and they never played those Tue/Wed night games which are great for TV. Watched a lot of UTEP this year because they are a Wednesday special.

- So much stadium constuction going on where almost entire sides of stadiums are being ripped out and replaced: Army, Vandy, SJSU, FSU, Oregon St, Memphis, etc. Some interesting visuals.

- With the shift to putting better games on ACCN and SECN, the ESPN2 and ESPNU games now are bad. Its like an AAC, Sun Belt, and FCS fiesta. I remember back in the day if we could get ESPN2, it was a big deal. Now North Dakota State is playing South Dakota State on ESPN2 primetime.

- What would possess Arch Manning to volunteer to ride the bench for 2 years? If his life's goal was to be QB1 @ Texas, why not go play for Arkansas or someone like that for 2 years and then transfer? It never ceases to amaze me how willing guys are to sit the bench.

I agree 100% with Oklahoma. Makes zero sense why their coach left to go to USC unless he knew about the SEC merger, only get to caught up in going from being one of 2-3 relevant teams to the Big Ten.
Same with Texas. Georgia has won more national titles in the last 3 years than Texas has since 1970.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There is a 0% chance that the Army/Navy game gets canceled. However, there is a very small chance that an American Athletic Conference Championship game between Army and Navy gets canceled. The AAC did this in 2020 when Cincy and Tulsa would have played 2 in a row. Of course, that was the Covid year so it made more sense then but its not unprecedented. I get that Disney owns the rights to the AAC Championship and I'm sure they'd love to televise and Army/Navy Championship game. That said, everything has a price. If Army & Navy don't want to play 2 in a row, I'm sure those 2 programs plus the AAC office could reach a financial settlement with Disney to not play it.

The only thing that Army would like better than beating Navy is beating Navy twice. The only thing that Navy would like better than to beat Army would be to beat Army twice.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I agree 100% with Oklahoma. Makes zero sense why their coach left to go to USC unless he knew about the SEC merger, only get to caught up in going from being one of 2-3 relevant teams to the Big Ten.
Same with Texas. Georgia has won more national titles in the last 3 years than Texas has since 1970.

Texas can be a top SEC program forever as long as they have the right coach. Everything is in place there. Just need a coach. Sark may or may not be the guy.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

The only thing that Army would like better than beating Navy is beating Navy twice. The only thing that Navy would like better than to beat Army would be to beat Army twice.

Its not that simple. Lets say both are 10-1 with a loss to ND and due to other happenings in the G5, a 1 loss Army/Navy team is all but assured of a CFP bid. Why play 2 so that Army wins in Week 1 and Navy wins in Week 2 and they knock each other out and send Boise/UNLV? Having Army or Navy in the CFP would be simply awesome and there'd be no reason to play 2 weeks in a row if doing so can ruin that.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Its not that simple. Lets say both are 10-1 with a loss to ND and due to other happenings in the G5, a 1 loss Army/Navy team is all but assured of a CFP bid. Why play 2 so that Army wins in Week 1 and Navy wins in Week 2 and they knock each other out and send Boise/UNLV? Having Army or Navy in the CFP would be simply awesome and there'd be no reason to play 2 weeks in a row if doing so can ruin that.

Because the college football playoff teams will be picked before the potential second Army - Navy game. So it will actually have absolutely nothing at all to do with either team making the playoff or not.

You'd think a "knowledgeable" poster such as yourself would know that. Guess not.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Because the college football playoff teams will be picked before the potential second Army - Navy game. So it will actually have absolutely nothing at all to do with either team making the playoff or not.

You'd think a "knowledgeable" poster such as yourself would know that. Guess not.

Actually, I heard an announcer say last week during a game I was watching that they'd wait until after the Dec 14 Army/Navy game to announce the field in the event that that game decided a bid. Like if Army would be in with a win but Boise in with an Army loss. Not sure if that's true. I kinda doubt it but that's what this guy said.

Also, even if the field has to be picked before that game, they could easily pick 2 brackets. If they feel that the Dec 14 winner gets in with a win, make a bracket for that contingency. If they feel that if a certain team loses on Dec 14, make a bracket for that. Its pretty likely that the G5 rep would be the 12 seed anyway so it would be pretty easy to set this up:

#5 Texas hosts #12 Army if they beat Navy on Dec 14. If Army loses to Navy, then Texas will host #12 Boise State.

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

On a side note, I though the service academies would struggle adjusting to the cut block rules but it seems like loosening up on the NFL/service commitment and BMI rules benefited more than that anyway.

 

[TD_6082]

Oklahoma wasn’t going to recruit Texas any better in a second rate Big 12.

Recruiting Texas with A&M and UT in the SEC and them not, would have been impossible.

The SEC was the best they were going to be able to do. But I agree. The landscape of college football is leaving them behind. To difficult to go as far away as they need to go to recruit, to maintain an elite program when those bases are dominated by local machines.

They also aren’t serious about truly winning. The stories that OU insiders talk about in terms of compliance enforcement is just not something you’d ever hear coming out of Ohio State or SEC schools. OU has always been the least dirty of the major schools, and it holds them back relative to the others.

Oklahoma? They are notorious cheaters. That's pretty much baked in their DNA, whether that's boosters & automobiles or Barry Switzer handing out spending cash. In fact, the Switzer era came crashing down with NCAA probation & a 2 year bowl ban. ...That doesn't even take into account the drugs, rape, and gunplay going on in Norman.

OU is currently 7th in recruiting rankings. 21 commitments. 13 of them are 4-star players from 3 states (Oklahoma, Texas, and Arkansas) They have a wealthy donor base that cares about winning. Norman is as close to Dallas/Ft Worth as UT Austin.

OU lost their OC, QB, entire OL, and they have had a rash of injuries at WR. That's the main reason they suck this year. They have the resources and there is nothing holding them back when it comes to signing the talent it takes to compete in the SEC.

 

[303vND]

If I said once, I'll say it again - EVERY SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY IS ONE BAD COACHING HIRE FROM BEING AN ALSO RAN!!!

 

[pittdan77]

On a side note, I though the service academies would struggle adjusting to the cut block rules but it seems like loosening up on the NFL/service commitment and BMI rules benefited more than that anyway.

I don't know that there was a BMI rule but the linemen for the service academies are pretty small compared to their D1 competition. And the NFL/service commitment actually got a little stricter this year. Have to do two years before they'll let you go, now, although some players are grandfathered. I think the military spends a pile of money on these kids and they depend on academy grads for essential leadership so they're going to be very reluctant to just let them go.

 

[Pitt79]

I'm sure people have already bought tickets and hotel; rooms and flights for the Army/Navy game, and the AACCG also wants to make money wherever that is. That's what matters most.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

I'm sure people have already bought tickets and hotel; rooms and flights for the Army/Navy game, and the AACCG also wants to make money wherever that is. That's what matters most.

The Army/Navy game isn't going to be canceled. And the AAC isnt going to make much off their championship as its sold as part of their TV package, not as a one-off game. The only thing they'd make money on are ticket sales, parking, and concessions for a small stadium. If they really wanted to, I'm sure they could reach an agreement with ESPN to compensate them for not playing it.

 

[happjack]

The Army/Navy game isn't going to be canceled. And the AAC isnt going to make much off their championship as its sold as part of their TV package, not as a one-off game. The only thing they'd make money on are ticket sales, parking, and concessions for a small stadium. If they really wanted to, I'm sure they could reach an agreement with ESPN to compensate them for not playing it.

ESPN isn’t going to give up an Army vs. Navy Conference Championship Game, they’ll be a ton of interest and will most likely be the third highest rated Conference Championship Game this year.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

ESPN isn’t going to give up an Army vs. Navy Conference Championship Game, they’ll be a ton of interest and will most likely be the third highest rated Conference Championship Game this year.

For the right price, they would. Its on a very crowded championship Saturday so its ratings arent going to be anywhere close to the game the week after. ESPN cares about money. Its in business to make money. As long as they are compensated for the lost revenue in ad sales from that game, they wouldn't care if they show it or not.

 

[Parkview57]

OU has always been the least dirty of the major schools,

Hahaha, Barry Switzer, hahaha. Don't get me wrong I loved ole' Barry at OU, but least dirty...hahahaha...how old are you?

 

[cashisking884]

Hahaha, Barry Switzer, hahaha. Don't get me wrong I loved ole' Barry at OU, but least dirty...hahahaha...how old are you?

Yeah I’m not talking about when Reagan was president.

 

[Parkview57]

I’m not talking about when Reagan was president.

You know, I realized after I posted that the joke was really on me....considering what OU has been recently, recent as in the last 30 years....oh well, win some lose some.

 

[12162022]

Yeah I’m not talking about when Reagan was president.

They were about as bad as possible....going back to the '60's.

 

[cashisking884]

They were about as bad as possible....going back to the '60's.

They sure were

 

[MarshallGoldberg]

I don't know that there was a BMI rule but the linemen for the service academies are pretty small compared to their D1 competition. And the NFL/service commitment actually got a little stricter this year. Have to do two years before they'll let you go, now, although some players are grandfathered. I think the military spends a pile of money on these kids and they depend on academy grads for essential leadership so they're going to be very reluctant to just let them go.

I think you played O Line at Air Force, right? Not sure if you had a rule then but their Army's line is definitely bigger now than it was five years ago and it does seem to make some difference.

 

[pittdan77]

I think you played O Line at Air Force, right? Not sure if you had a rule then but their Army's line is definitely bigger now than it was five years ago and it does seem to make some difference.

That's mostly because Army hasn't been recruiting very well. They haven't exactly been an attractive destination for players for the last 20 years.

 

[Pitt79]

ESPN isn’t going to give up an Army vs. Navy Conference Championship Game, they’ll be a ton of interest and will most likely be the third highest rated Conference Championship Game this year.

Fans will be more interested too, it's a chance to see an Army/Navy game.

 

[TD_6082]

Rhett Bomar & that whole scandal was in the Stoops era.