As expected the Three Muskateers get off on a legal technicality

[pittbb80]

Im sure the JOEBOTs will now proclaim their innocence...just like OJ is innocent


http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/9845102-74/former-charges-curley#axzz3xpquGVyU

 

[quip]

Pathetic. But not unexpected.

 

[fnihost]

Im sure the JOEBOTs will now proclaim their innocence...just like OJ is innocent


http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/9845102-74/former-charges-curley#axzz3xpquGVyU

The most serious charge against them is still there, and I think they'll all stand trial for it.

 

[rpost3]

So it's not that they're innocent, it's that the wrong person ratted them out.
And this took how long?
LOL

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Cowards

 

[michnittlion]

The most serious charge against them is still there, and I think they'll all stand trial for it.

I think you're right.

As for the other charges --- the defendants have their rights and they were violated in this case, and the charges were correctly thrown out. Doesn't mean "innocence" of course. But I think the decision was correct.

 

[rpost3]

Cowards

If this Baldwin lady compromised attorney-client privilege then maybe it's the correct decision.
I'm just thinking out loud. I haven't followed it lately and the article is pretty vague,

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

So it's not that they're innocent, it's that the wrong person ratted them out.

My first thought.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

So it's not that they're innocent, it's that the wrong person ratted them out.

My first thought.

This is exactly the point. Innocence or guilt no longer has nothing to do with it. It's all about legal loopholes.

Maybe, if Jerry gets the right attorney(s) he, too, will find a legal loophole and find his way out of prison and back onto the streets of State College, PA. Maybe that's what they need up there to complete the healing.

 

[wicker]

Kane owes her career to the cult. She won't be in a hurry to reopen these charges

 

[michnittlion]

ack double post

 

[michnittlion]

This is exactly the point. Innocence or guilt no longer has nothing to do with it. It's all about legal loopholes.

Maybe, if Jerry gets the right attorney(s) he, too, will find a legal loophole and find his way out of prison and back onto the streets of State College, PA. Maybe that's what they need up there to complete the healing.

Let's say I'm charged with a crime and I know, 100%, absolutely, I did not do it.

Of course, I don't want to go to jail. That is the desired outcome.

Do I not maximize my chances of not going to jail by trying to derail the trial from ever happening?

To be fair, I don't think "looking for a legal loophole" implies anything regarding one's guilt or innocence. The "game theory" logical answer is this ---- regardless of innocence or guilt, it's the correct play to try to find a legal loophole before a trial.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Let's say I'm charged with a crime and I know, 100%, absolutely, I did not do it.

Of course, I don't want to go to jail. That is the desired outcome.

Do I not maximize my chances of not going to jail by trying to derail the trial from ever happening?

To be fair, I don't think "looking for a legal loophole" implies anything regarding one's guilt or innocence. The "game theory" logical answer is this ---- regardless of innocence or guilt, it's the correct play to try to find a legal loophole before a trial.

So much for seeking "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth". I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself, but if I was innocent of something that I was accused of, I'd be going for the quickest trial possible - whatever it took to put it behind me. In my experience, it's the guilty who don't want a trial to go forward.

 

[Saboteur]

If this Baldwin lady compromised attorney-client privilege then maybe it's the correct decision.
I'm just thinking out loud. I haven't followed it lately and the article is pretty vague,

Baldwin is a dumb ass. Corporate Counsel 101, day one, minute one is that you have one client and one client only. That is the corporation...in this case the 501 c whatever entity known as The Pennsylvania State University. This clowness was a judge to boot. Appointed it is true.
What an absolute disgrace to the legal profession.

 

[raleighpanther]

Let's be clear: all of the charges that were dropped were related to Baldwin's testimony 10 years AFTER Sandusky got caught. The key charge still remains - All three are still charged with failure to report suspected abuse and endangering the welfare of children. THAT is the coverup. The stuff that happened when these guys testified 10 years later was just the coverup of the original coverup.

So they get off on legal technicalities on the second coverup. And its because of the small time way that place was run. They had the university lawyer acting as their personal lawyer; very Mayberry like.

In any event, the original coverup charge still stands.

 

[michnittlion]

So much for seeking "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth". I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself, but if I was innocent of something that I was accused of, I'd be going for the quickest trial possible - whatever it took to put it behind me. In my experience, it's the guilty who don't want a trial to go forward.

You can have your opinions ....... but it is NOT up to the defendants to prove their innocence. It is up to the state to prove their guilt. The state screwed up. That's not the defendants fault.

 

[wbrpanther]

Let's be clear: all of the charges that were dropped were related to Baldwin's testimony 10 years AFTER Sandusky got caught. The key charge still remains - All three are still charged with failure to report suspected abuse and endangering the welfare of children. THAT is the coverup. The stuff that happened when these guys testified 10 years later was just the coverup of the original coverup.

So they get off on legal technicalities on the second coverup. And its because of the small time way that place was run. They had the university lawyer acting as their personal lawyer; very Mayberry like.

In any event, the original coverup charge still stands.

Yes, the original charges still stands. This after 4 years. How much longer till the whole thing is thrown out? There appears to be a huge power structure that is clogging up the wheels of justice. At least that is my suspicion.

Some person or persons don't want this case to go on because of where it may lead.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Let's be clear: all of the charges that were dropped were related to Baldwin's testimony 10 years AFTER Sandusky got caught. The key charge still remains - All three are still charged with failure to report suspected abuse and endangering the welfare of children. THAT is the coverup. The stuff that happened when these guys testified 10 years later was just the coverup of the original coverup.

So they get off on legal technicalities on the second coverup. And its because of the small time way that place was run. They had the university lawyer acting as their personal lawyer; very Mayberry like.

In any event, the original coverup charge still stands.

If you saw the ESPN "30 for 30" on Southern Cal, they made a big deal about SoCal's "lack of institutional control". If that was an example of the lack of institutional control, then what do they call what The Three Stooges did - and didn't do?

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Ok, they spilled the beans regarding those certain issues wrongfully under false pretenses. But they still spilled the beans. Contesting it a good strategy as they've gotten 5 more years of freedom. And if they keep it up, maybe they'll never go to trial or be convicted of anything or die first. But the damage is already done. The stain remains. Everyone knows. They sat on their hands. They looked the other way because of football.

 

[Jakey_John]

The end result= limited loss of scholarships and millions of university dollars for the victims. Not to mention Sandicksys pension was restored. Wow, justice was really served in this case.

 

[michnittlion]

The end result= limited loss of scholarships and millions of university dollars for the victims. Not to mention Sandicksys pension was restored. Wow, justice was really served in this case.

Sandusky's pension was restored because Pennsylvania legislators tried to pull an end around the Constitution of the United States (which protects citizens against retroactive ex post facto laws).

Is that what you want? Legislators who can just do what they want?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Im sure the JOEBOTs will now proclaim their innocence...just like OJ is innocent
http://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/9845102-74/former-charges-curley#axzz3xpquGVyU

Still not over, and still must deal with some charges!

Paterno Lawsuit is close to going to a Trial by next year, I see Settlement on that about the time Franklin is winning less than 8 or 9 games?

Not all bad at all, more things in the Oven but still Hot and one can't fix burns, just bandage them, re-grafting takes years and looks Ok, but pain always remains!

 

[perchance]

Let's say I'm charged with a crime and I know, 100%, absolutely, I did not do it.

Of course, I don't want to go to jail. That is the desired outcome.

Do I not maximize my chances of not going to jail by trying to derail the trial from ever happening?

To be fair, I don't think "looking for a legal loophole" implies anything regarding one's guilt or innocence. The "game theory" logical answer is this ---- regardless of innocence or guilt, it's the correct play to try to find a legal loophole before a trial.

Very nice that you imply (by your fictitious premise) that the Three Stooges know that that they are absolutely, 100% , innocent ("did not do it"). You show no interest in justice, only satisfaction in the tortured legal contortions that permit your shameful institution to escape the moral consequences of its perverted culture.

Also cute that you have no problem with Jerry's retention of his pension. It's the Legislature that should be skewered here, not dear, old Jer..

All of your insipid arguments endorsing the fairness of "legal loopholes" generated to avoid actual justice clearly expose you and your brethren's complete lack of ethics and morality..

Rationalize away the guilt. "We are Penn State" - Is this an admission of shame? " Success with Honor" - at Penn State, mutually exclusive. You are an enabler. You are complicit. You are delusional.

Sleep the sleep of the Innocent.

 

[rpost3]

Just trying to piece this together. Stop me if I miss anything.

So Curley, Shultz, Spanier (and maybe Paterno? I have no idea) find out they may be in some trouble, so they consult PSU's head counsel Cynthia Baldwin.
Cynthia Baldwin then uses the info they gave her to testify against them.
Do I have that right?

Just asking.
I have no idea when attorney-client privilege is technically established or when attorney-client privilege can be legally compromised.

 

[Hotshoe]

Very nice that you imply (by your fictitious premise) that the Three Stooges know that that they are absolutely, 100% , innocent ("did not do it"). You show no interest in justice, only satisfaction in the tortured legal contortions that permit your shameful institution to escape the moral consequences of its perverted culture.

Also cute that you have no problem with Jerry's retention of his pension. It's the Legislature that should be skewered here, not dear, old Jer..

All of your insipid arguments endorsing the fairness of "legal loopholes" generated to avoid actual justice clearly expose you and your brethren's complete lack of ethics and morality..

Rationalize away the guilt. "We are Penn State" - Is this an admission of shame? " Success with Honor" - at Penn State, mutually exclusive. You are an enabler. You are complicit. You are delusional.

Sleep the sleep of the Innocent.

In all honesty, justice, what justice? We are innocent until proven guilty or don't you like that part? The pension has nothing to do with what happened whatsoever. That is nothing but emotion speaking. The state doesn't have the right to his pension. You may not like it, but he did earn it and pay into it. That has nothing to do with Penn State. It still amazes me that people would rather hate Penn State than seek the truth. It's also amazing that people all know what happened because they were there when they actually weren't. No one gives a damn that The Second Mile was responsible, nor does anyone care that not one sole from there did anything or was held responsible. This despite the fact that we know they were told and did nothing. That is a matter of documentation in the court system. So basically it's justice for some but not others, simply because some hate Penn State. Got it. What people should really be concerned about is how the entire system failed from Police, to AG's, and to the former governor.

 

[michnittlion]

Very nice that you imply (by your fictitious premise) that the Three Stooges know that that they are absolutely, 100% , innocent ("did not do it"). You show no interest in justice, only satisfaction in the tortured legal contortions that permit your shameful institution to escape the moral consequences of its perverted culture.

Also cute that you have no problem with Jerry's retention of his pension. It's the Legislature that should be skewered here, not dear, old Jer..

All of your insipid arguments endorsing the fairness of "legal loopholes" generated to avoid actual justice clearly expose you and your brethren's complete lack of ethics and morality..

Rationalize away the guilt. "We are Penn State" - Is this an admission of shame? " Success with Honor" - at Penn State, mutually exclusive. You are an enabler. You are complicit. You are delusional.

Sleep the sleep of the Innocent.

I didn't imply anything about their guilt.

If I did NOT do it, the logical thing to do is try for a pre-trial legal loophole.

If I DID do it, the logical thing to do is try for a pre-trial legal loophole.

Given that the correct strategy in BOTH cases is the same, a logical person can imply nothing.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Just trying to piece this together. Stop me if I miss anything.

So Curley, Shultz, Spanier (and maybe Paterno? I have no idea) find out they may be in some trouble, so they consult PSU's head counsel Cynthia Baldwin.
Cynthia Baldwin then uses the info they gave her to testify against them.
Do I have that right?

Just asking.
I have no idea when attorney-client privilege is technically established or when attorney-client privilege can be legally compromised.

They were called to testify in the grand jury. Baldwin accompanied them to the proceedings. They were under the impression she was representing them. The prosecution claims she was not representing them but just Penn State. However grand jury rules would prohibit her from attending the proceedings if she was not representing them. Therefore the courts rules her testimony against them can not be used.

This is why I would never want to be a judge. While I wish this and the Sandusky pension ruling went the other way I do agree they made the correct ruling. The Sandusky pension is especially bothering because if it was allowed to stand it would allow them to retroactively apply laws which is a dangerous precedent.

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

A 'bombshell' would be if they claimed Baldwin fabricated what they told her.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

These folks ( I will not use the word men because they are not men) are cowards! When will the school ever put this behind them when they can’t even agree to put it behind them. Paper shredder salespeople made a fortune up in creepy valley.

 

[pittbb80]

In all honesty, justice, what justice? We are innocent until proven guilty or don't you like that part? The pension has nothing to do with what happened whatsoever. That is nothing but emotion speaking. The state doesn't have the right to his pension. You may not like it, but he did earn it and pay into it. That has nothing to do with Penn State. It still amazes me that people would rather hate Penn State than seek the truth. It's also amazing that people all know what happened because they were there when they actually weren't. No one gives a damn that The Second Mile was responsible, nor does anyone care that not one sole from there did anything or was held responsible. This despite the fact that we know they were told and did nothing. That is a matter of documentation in the court system. So basically it's justice for some but not others, simply because some hate Penn State. Got it. What people should really be concerned about is how the entire system failed from Paterno, to the three Muskateers, to the State College Police who were in Paternos Pocket, and government officials tied to Penn state

Fixed.............................I'd also add that theres a huge difference between being innocent and not having enough evidence to convict someone in a court of law.......For any rational thinking human being.........and this would exclude the JOEBOTs, there's a mountain of evidence to conclude they put the Image of their Precious Football program ahead of the welfare of young boys (CULTURE ISSUE). Heck there was less evidence against OJ

 

[pittbb80]

They were called to testify in the grand jury. Baldwin accompanied them to the proceedings. They were under the impression she was representing them. The prosecution claims she was not representing them but just Penn State. However grand jury rules would prohibit her from attending the proceedings if she was not representing them. Therefore the courts rules her testimony against them can not be used.

This is why I would never want to be a judge. While I wish this and the Sandusky pension ruling went the other way I do agree they made the correct ruling. The Sandusky pension is especially bothering because if it was allowed to stand it would allow them to retroactively apply laws which is a dangerous precedent.

They were dumb then.........the CEO of the company should know that the company's attorney represents only the companies interest..........of course these guys could have been dumb as a fox and knew that anything they said would be thrown out if they were ever brought to trial...........mission accomplished.

 

[Hotshoe]

Fixed.............................I'd also add that theres a huge difference between being innocent and not having enough evidence to convict someone in a court of law.......For any rational thinking human being.........and this would exclude the JOEBOTs, there's a mountain of evidence to conclude they put the Image of their Precious Football program ahead of the welfare of young boys (CULTURE ISSUE). Heck there was less evidence against OJ

And they have also not had their day in court! Therefore, in this country, they are innocent until proven guilty. If you cannot own up to that, then you simply don't care about the law or individual rights. This is what prejudice and hate does. It circumvents the law and creates stupid mantras like JoeBots and ped u. Yeah let's label everyone because it makes us feel better. There is no truth to it. Let the LAW play out. How many times does the media need to be proven wrong before people wake up and realize they are nothing more than propaganda?

 

[Piranha]

The most disgusting thing is the Nitters who are celebrating this in hopes it will all just go away. All the victims deserve justice to be served. This includes those who covered it up.

 

[Hotshoe]

These folks ( I will not use the word men because they are not men) are cowards! When will the school ever put this behind them when they can’t even agree to put it behind them. Paper shredder salespeople made a fortune up in creepy valley.

I have yet to ever see you provide a single shred of evidence to what you state. You blame Joe, meanwhile the AG praises him publicly for reporting what he was told. Detectives did nothing, CYS did nothing, AG did nothing nor did a former governor for years and yet the football coach is to blame. Ok, we got it because of the mountains of evidence you have. SMH...

 

[pittbb80]

And they have also not had their day in court! Therefore, in this country, they are innocent until proven guilty. If you cannot own up to that, then you simply don't care about the law or individual rights. This is what prejudice and hate does. It circumvents the law and creates stupid mantras like JoeBots and ped u. Yeah let's label everyone because it makes us feel better. There is no truth to it. Let the LAW play out. How many times does the media need to be proven wrong before people wake up and realize they are nothing more than propaganda?

I know you JOEBOTS are a bit dim so Ill say this slowly for you.........THERE..........IS..........A.......DIFFERENCE.......BETWEEN............BEING.........GUILTY..........OF..........A............CRIME............AND........GETTING...........CONVICTED.........OF........SAME...........CRIME............IN..........A.............COURT............OF...............LAW.................Capishe.........

Again. there is more than sufficient evidence for a rational human being to conclude that Joe and the Three Muskateers put the image of the Football program above doing the right thing and protecting young boys from the tickle monster. Now did they cover their tracks well enough to prevent being convicted in a court of law were the standard of guild and innocence is much higher.........probably so.. However there is NO DOUBT that Paterno especially failed to live up to his Marketing Slogan SUCCESS WITH HONOR. His legacy will forever be a man who at best was a coward and wilted and ran for cover when young boys needed him the most and at worst was a man who callously disregarded young boys safety to preserve the his programs image.

 

[Hotshoe]

The most disgusting thing is the Nitters who are celebrating this in hopes it will all just go away. All the victims deserve justice to be served. This includes those who covered it up.

Cover up? Still listening to Louis Freeh? There is a reason why Spanier has standing against him as do the Paterno's. Justice was served when Sandusky went to prison. Even Costas doesn't believe in a cover up. Show me and the court evidence of a cover up, not conjecture, but real evidence because that is what the law and a court room needs.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Your school (if you even attended) fired paturdo twice, paid millions of dollars out to victims! You admin is guilty of a coverup and everyone outside if the nut job cult realizes it! The details of the investigations will be known at some point and you will see what everyone in the admin already knew, they knew what happened and chose not to report directly to police!

 

[Hotshoe]

I know you JOEBOTS are a bit dim so Ill say this slowly for you.........THERE..........IS..........A.......DIFFERENCE.......BETWEEN............BEING.........GUILTY..........OF..........A............CRIME............AND........GETTING...........CONVICTED.........OF........SAME...........CRIME............IN..........A.............COURT............OF...............LAW.................Capishe.........

Again. there is more than sufficient evidence for a rational human being to conclude that Joe and the Three Muskateers put the image of the Football program above doing the right thing and protecting young boys from the tickle monster. Now did they cover their tracks well enough to prevent being convicted in a court of law were the standard of guild and innocence is much higher.........probably so.. However there is NO DOUBT that Paterno especially failed to live up to his Marketing Slogan SUCCESS WITH HONOR. His legacy will forever be a man who at best was a coward and wilted and ran for cover when young boys needed him the most and at worst was a man who callously disregarded young boys safety to preserve the his programs image.

What evidence?

 

[Hotshoe]

Your school (if you even attended) fired paturdo twice, paid millions of dollars out to victims! You admin is guilty of a coverup and everyone outside if the nut job cult realizes it! The details of the investigations will be known at some point and you will see what everyone in the admin already knew, they knew what happened and chose not to report directly to police!

You have no proof once again, just conjecture. I don't care what people think because it does not matter. Facts and law matter, not what people make up in their head.

 

[pittbb80]

I have yet to ever see you provide a single shred of evidence to what you state. You blame Joe, meanwhile the AG praises him publicly for reporting what he was told. Detectives did nothing, CYS did nothing, AG did nothing nor did a former governor for years and yet the football coach is to blame. Ok, we got it because of the mountains of evidence you have. SMH...

Joe knew that Sandusky was molesting young boys, both in 1998 and the 2001 incident, but did nothing

When informed he had to think about it over the weekend so as not to ruin anyones weekend rather than telling MM to go right to the police

Joe continued to allow Sandusky to bring young boys on campus to watch practices.

When the three Muskateers were going to Out Sandusky, they backed off based on JOes input..

Now Im sure you'll come back with more of the rehearsed CULT SPEAK..........but theres no doubt JOE will forever be remembered as a hypocrite and callous man who cared more bout UPS football than the well being of young boys..........I love the fact that that eats at you JOEBOTs otherwise you wouldn't be here defending him.......LOL