As much as I've always disliked ND
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I get it. On the other hand, James Franklin sounded better IMO, looked like he had been there before, seemed like his answers were right on but his insincerity/fake personna permeated the interview...easy to dislike....
Jimmy is the perfect fit for Ped St, a less than quality human being is being kind.
Hope he's there for 50 years.
Coach Freeman seems like a genuinely good guy although I say I've only watch a few of is pressers.
Hope he's there for 50 years.
Coach Freeman seems like a genuinely good guy although I say I've only watch a few of is pressers.
I dislike Notre Dame a lot less now that Brian Kelly is gone. Like others have said, Marcus Freeman is a good ambassador for their program.
Everytime we went to ND they were always very hospitable to us. It's just alot of their subway fans that are intolerable. H2P!
I thought of Brian Kelly after last nights game. He acted as if getting back to the title game wasn’t possible at ND… so he left.
What’s he thinking now? lol
He acted as if winning a title at Notre Dame wasn't possible, or probable. He still may very well be right.
Brian Kelly took Notre Dame to a National Championship game. He took them to the 4 team playoffs several times. (*nope. upon further review, He only took them twice.)
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Well that clearly shows it was a lack of his coaching not some formidable force at ND.
Not sure what you mean here.
Kelly's teams were fine until they ran into the loaded up Bamas, Clemsons, OSUs and UGAs of that era. Everyone else got murdered by them as well. At that time those teams were so superior to everyone else from a personnel and coaching standpoint it wasn't even fair. This ND team didn't have to deal with one of those--down year for all of them. I do expect OSU to curb stomp ND in the NC, assuming they don't trip on their dicks against Texas tonight. Only way OSU loses that game is if they beat themselves.
Yeah, there has been a bit of a strange non-southern-centric phenomenon going on lately. Washington and Michigan in the final four last year; Ohio State, Penn State, and Notre Dame this year (along with Oregon being #1 most of the season).
I don't think this ND team is better than some of Kelly's best teams, but the field has seemed to change a bit. No more southern juggernauts - at least not recently.
What I mean is - Kelly made it seem as if it was some outside forces precluding him from winning at ND. If he had them in the tourney then it meant he couldn't coach them up to cross the finish line. And as for the loaded up teams you mentioned, it's not like ND has slugs...or least they shouldn't given the resources they have. And lastly, I like UT over OSU straight up!!
Maybe, but I think he made some miscalculations by taking that job. Just way too easy to get cannibalized in the SEC. At Notre Dame, you're probably in at 10-2 most seasons, which they can pull off in their sleep.
I do, however, think it's too early to make assertions that NIL/the portal is the reason there are no more juggernauts. It's only been two seasons. It might end up being true, but it's too early. Like if Ohio State has some version of Fields at QB this season, they would be one. I think some of this may just be an ebb and flow thing.
For whatever reason, ND hasn't been able to recruit elite talent outside the way teams like Ohio State have.
Notre Dame and Penn State are basically the same program. The difference has been them not having to play Ohio State and Michigan every season. Solid Tier 2 programs, but not on the level of Ohio State/Georgia/Alabama/etc.
I think Kelly just reached a point where he thought he had taken ND as far as he could, and he was tired of coaching for a salary that he knew he could double if he decided to leave.
I could have coached the team Orgeron took to a title. I mean, Joe Burrow throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jamar chase. They will go down as 3 hall-of-famers and some of the best to ever play the game.
I agree. I guess what I'm saying is this:
As long as there are no 2018 Clemson, 2019 LSU, 2022 Georgia, etc. teams lurking, then schools like Penn State and ND have a puncher's chance. For a while there, those schools had no chance because there were 1-3 absolute behemoths in college football each season. It hasn't been that way the last two seasons though. I'll be curious to see if it stays that way.
And without those juggernauts in your path, I'll take my chances at winning a natty at ND over competing against Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, A&M, Texas, etc. The combination of historical dominance and NIL capabilities (for instance, eventually A&M will hit the jackpot spending like it does) in the SEC is just unprecedented. Won't be easy for LSU getting to the playoff most years, while I expect ND to be a fixture.
Maybe because players didn't want to play for an egotistical douche?!
Agree. This next year is going to be huge for Brian Kelly. They are really money whipping guys to Baton Rouge to make 2025 their year.
Truthfully, the SEC is a hot mess right now. They really don't have a handle on this thing, but they are becoming well aware that where they are now is unsustainable. Not even one coaching change in the league, which is basically unheard of.
The talent is similar but Franklin is 1-18 (1-15 at PSU) against top 5 opponents where Marcus Freeman is 3-1 already.
That's... kinda my point. LSU is one of a small handful of schools that will be able to reliably bring in the talent needed to win a natty year over year.
That's kind of pre-12 team playoff thinking, though. There are plenty of teams that had a chance this season.
And not even just the 7 or so teams in the playoff that had a legit shot. Like if Ole Miss (random example) would have gotten in, they could have done some damage.
Yeah, I guess they're opposites in that regard. Freeman has lost to some scrubs but has fared well against the top 5. Franklin is pretty much chalk.
I don't think Franklin lost to an inferior opponent like a Marshall or Northern Illinois since his first couple of seasons when PSU was still pretty much a dumpster fire. (I think he lost to Temple)
He did lose to Temple! That was one of my all-time favorite pedophile blowups! In that game Temple sacked Hackenburg 10 times. It was epic laughter for me!
I’ll take that bet. I’d be shocked if LSU wins a National Championship while he’s there.
Freeman is making ND likeable as much as I don't like them but I dislike Pedo State even more. I was rooting for ND last night and I woke up this morning feeling much better that the "Snake oil" salesman lost.
Wasn't he whining ND played one less game because they weren't in a conference.
It's hard to dislike Freeman, but still easy to despise ND. Except for last night because I despise PSU far more.
There are various markers on my "despise scale." ND is about a third of the way down, Michigan is two-thirds of the way down, and PSU is at the lowest marker, with me being sorry that I ran out of markers because I wish they could be even lower.
If you think ND’s talent level in the past 20 years has ever approached the SEC and B10 heavies, I don’t really know what to say to you. They simply have not had, and still do not have, the same level of personnel that those programs do. Not sure why a lot of people can’t seem to grasp or believe that, but it’s 100% true. Maybe this list of schools with the most first round picks since 2000 will help emphasize the point:
| NO. OF PICKS | SCHOOL |
|---|---|
| 46 | Alabama |
| 40 | Ohio State |
| 32 | Miami (FL) |
| 30 | Georgia |
| 27 | Florida |
| 26 | LSU, Southern California |
| 25 | Florida State |
| 20 | Clemson |
| 19 | Oklahoma, Michigan |
| 17 | Texas |
| 16 | Tennessee |
| 15 | Wisconsin |
| 14 | Penn State |
| 13 | Iowa |
| 12 | Auburn, Boston College, Notre Dame, Oregon, Texas A&M, Washington |
| 11 | California |
| 10 | Louisville, North Carolina, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Virginia Tech |
| 9 | Missouri, UCLA |
| 8 | Arizona State, Arkansas, NC State, Oklahoma State, TCU |
| 7 | Michigan State, Mississippi State, Pittsburgh, Stanford |
| 6 | Illinois, Maryland, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia |
| 5 | Baylor, Boise State, Northwestern, Syracuse |
| 4 | Colorado, Houston, Kentucky, Nebraska, Purdue, Texas Tech |
| 3 | BYU, Fresno State, Kansas State, Georgia Tech, Memphis, Minnesota, Oregon State, Rutgers, UCF, Wake Forest, Washington State |
| 2 | Arizona, Central Michigan, Duke, Jackson State, Marshall, North Dakota State, Northern Illinois, South Florida, Temple, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Vanderbilt, Western Michigan |
| 1 | Alabama State, Buffalo, Chattanooga, Cincinnati, Delaware, East Carolina, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa State, Kansas, Louisiana Tech, Miami (OH), New Mexico, Northern Iowa, San Diego State, Tennessee State, Utah State, UTSA, Wyoming |
Because the top players didn’t want to play for his egotistical ass! Notre Dame has all the advantages and resources to recruit with ANYONE!
Winning a title at Notre Dame with him as coach was indeed impossible.
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