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Athletic article on how to save college football...as Pitt fans we should probably advocate for this plan.

I would love it, but there is so much disconnect and greed that I can’t ever see it get off the ground. These presidents and commissioners rather canibalize themselves.

Would also allow the other sports to get into more regional conferences which would be fantastic.

Too good to be true.
 
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Assuming eight divisions of ten teams (one of which being the top ten teams from the G5), it could look something like this:

Atlantic Division: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina, NC St, South Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest

Central Division: BYU, Cincinnati, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri, Nebraska, Utah

Eastern Division: Boston College, Miami, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, UCF, West Virginia

Midwest Division: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Pacific Division: Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington St

Southeast Division: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Southwest Division: Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

G5 Division (Using Final 2023 FPI): Air Force, App State, Boise State, James Madison, Liberty, Memphis, South Alabama, Toledo, Tulane, UTSA

Tried to keep pre-realignment divisions together as much as possible. Sorry to Cincinnati and Louisville for getting dumped onto an island, but at least the Keg of Nails is alive and well.
 
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It sounds like they already are. Very interesting that Goodell’s second-in-command was part of the group tasked to put this together.
Too much money going into the hands of college kids (NIL) means the NFL will eventually have to pay their rookies substantially more money and then it will cause a domino effect of having to pay everyone else on the roster more money. That takes money out of the owners hands which they don’t like. The NFL getting involved is our best hope.
 
Or the NFL gets involved. If you have 2 mega conferences shelling out massive NIL deals, then that could rock the NFL boat.
Why would the B10 or SEC give up their current advantages? It is DOA.

If the NFL ever starts to feel threatened, they'll just start playing on Saturdays and kill college media contracts. They're not going to get involved pushing some super college league.
 
Plus TV won't allow it. Fox and ESPN has spent to omuch time and money buidling their kingdoms of the SEC and BIG.
the contracts ESPN signed with SEC and BIG will not last over the long term. NO WAY !. they will lose their a***es and people will be fired for being idiots.
 
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This is about one thing and one thing only. The NFL currently has zero control over its supply chain. There is no NFL D league, minor league or any other avenue to produce NFL players beyond college football. Historically it hasn't been a problem. The NFL can sit back, invest nothing in development beyond employing college scouts and running a draft, and build their teams based on what college football supplies them.

Lost in the non stop discussion of cable deals and conference consolidation is that along with that consolidation comes a major threat to NFL player development and their supply chain overall. A pair of 20 team mega conferences would heavily devalue the level of play for those left out as the best of the best high school kids will be hyper focused on landing at one of the 40 schools. That would be the ticket to the NFL. Problem is, that doesn't work for the NFL. In the 2023 draft there were 135 players taken from conferences other than the SEC and Big10. 46 of those were players outside of the power 5. Now, in any further consolidation there would be schools from the ACC, Big12 etc who get a seat which reduces the outside the SEC/Big 10 number, but not all of them will. Many wouldn't. There were 250 active players on NFL rosters in 2023 from schools outside the power 5. There were 598 players from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12. Combined that's 848 players from conferences other than the Big 10 and SEC out of 1696 in the league. 50%. If anyone thinks the NFL and it's owners, including many new ones who are paying billions to become owners, are going to sit back and allow two college conferences, TV and NIL to radically disrupt their supply chain and multi billion dollar industry, they're crazy. It isn't going to happen. The NFL will never allow its product to be watered down by having to draft and build teams on 40-50% of players coming from outside two mega conferences that have complete control of a playoff etc. That would lead to massive expense and issues for them in player development and hurt the quality of the NFL game. And there isn't a thing the SEC, Big 10 or ESPN can do about it. If the NFL announces tomorrow that it's working with anyone in college football on a league with pay and development it's game over for everyone else if they don't get on board. If there's any pushback or hesitation, say hello to NFL games on Saturday in October. Goodnight college TV deals.

This isn't about the SEC/Big 10, cable deals or college football/athletics being broken. It's broken for sure, but It's about the NFL not allowing its supply chain to be completely disrupted. The NFL will get control of it in some fashion. They let it go as long as they could and the only moves remaining for college conferences don't work for them. In addition, the money they can make by being involved in the college game will dwarf anything they're playing around with in Europe and South America. NFL ownership wants return on investment. This is their next revenue stream.
 
This is about one thing and one thing only. The NFL currently has zero control over its supply chain. There is no NFL D league, minor league or any other avenue to produce NFL players beyond college football. Historically it hasn't been a problem. The NFL can sit back, invest nothing in development beyond employing college scouts and running a draft, and build their teams based on what college football supplies them.

Lost in the non stop discussion of cable deals and conference consolidation is that along with that consolidation comes a major threat to NFL player development and their supply chain overall. A pair of 20 team mega conferences would heavily devalue the level of play for those left out as the best of the best high school kids will be hyper focused on landing at one of the 40 schools. That would be the ticket to the NFL. Problem is, that doesn't work for the NFL. In the 2023 draft there were 135 players taken from conferences other than the SEC and Big10. 46 of those were players outside of the power 5. Now, in any further consolidation there would be schools from the ACC, Big12 etc who get a seat which reduces the outside the SEC/Big 10 number, but not all of them will. Many wouldn't. There were 250 active players on NFL rosters in 2023 from schools outside the power 5. There were 598 players from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12. Combined that's 848 players from conferences other than the Big 10 and SEC out of 1696 in the league. 50%. If anyone thinks the NFL and it's owners, including many new ones who are paying billions to become owners, are going to sit back and allow two college conferences, TV and NIL to radically disrupt their supply chain and multi billion dollar industry, they're crazy. It isn't going to happen. The NFL will never allow its product to be watered down by having to draft and build teams on 40-50% of players coming from outside two mega conferences that have complete control of a playoff etc. That would lead to massive expense and issues for them in player development and hurt the quality of the NFL game. And there isn't a thing the SEC, Big 10 or ESPN can do about it. If the NFL announces tomorrow that it's working with anyone in college football on a league with pay and development it's game over for everyone else if they don't get on board. If there's any pushback or hesitation, say hello to NFL games on Saturday in October. Goodnight college TV deals.

This isn't about the SEC/Big 10, cable deals or college football/athletics being broken. It's broken for sure, but It's about the NFL not allowing its supply chain to be completely disrupted. The NFL will get control of it in some fashion. They let it go as long as they could and the only moves remaining for college conferences don't work for them. In addition, the money they can make by being involved in the college game will dwarf anything they're playing around with in Europe and South America. NFL ownership wants return on investment. This is their next revenue stream.
Yes! I have been saying this. If the Big 2 start hoarding players that could be starting in what was the other P5 conferences and now are backups on the bench, the NFL loses development and also free evaluation that comes from scouting those games. And you start diminishing teams playing at this level, I mean while college football is very popular, it is not the NFL. In many ways, I am surprised the NFL hasn't backdoored some of these networks telling them to tone it down, or they are going to sign with other networks and even compete against the college product if they continue to mess with this supply chain.
 
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Yes! I have been saying this. If the Big 2 start hoarding players that could be starting in what was the other P5 conferences and now are backups on the bench, the NFL loses development and also free evaluation that comes from scouting those games. And you start diminishing teams playing at this level, I mean while college football is very popular, it is not the NFL. In many ways, I am surprised the NFL hasn't backdoored some of these networks telling them to tone it down, or they are going to sign with other networks and even compete against the college product if they continue to mess with this supply chain.
NFL talent doesn't get caught on the bench, though. I think the only way the NFL starts to notice is if colleges decide to untie enrollment and allow NIL to keep players away from the NFL.
 
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NFL talent doesn't get caught on the bench, though. I think the only way the NFL starts to notice is if colleges decide to untie enrollment and allow NIL to keep players away from the NFL.
It absolutely will in a 2 conference 40 team scenario. With those 40 teams flush with TV and NIL money kids will sit in the hopes of eventually playing in the spotlight instead of playing in a secondary league against weaker competition for less or no money. That's the issue and that's why the NFL isn't going to sit back and allow it to happen. There will only be so many roster spots and so much playing time, but all the demand will be to land on one of those 40 teams. They're also not going to allow scenarios like Jordan Addison making more money at USC as a senior than he did as a rookie to continue because it ultimately constricts the flow of NFL ready players to NFL teams.
 
Plus TV won't allow it. Fox and ESPN has spent to omuch time and money buidling their kingdoms of the SEC and BIG.
The networks might object, but if/when Congress gets involved, all bets are off. The smart play is for Fox and ESPN to inject themselves into the solution. Be proactive.
Why is the US Capitol ringed by lobbyists’ offices? Proximity keeps the NRA, NEA, NAB and other orgs in the ears of legislators. They have a vested interest to cover their asses. Often a congressman wants to look like they are doing something without having Clue One on how to do it. Enter the special interests who help them craft the legislation, ensuring that whatever is enacted doesn’t hurt them.
I’d say the number of member schools is negotiable. But Pitt should be safe under this plan.
Unionize and let TV pay the salaries. Enough of this NIL bullshit.
 
If the NFL ever starts to feel threatened, they'll just start playing on Saturdays and kill college media contracts.


That would be illegal. If the NFL announces that they are going to play on fall Saturdays it won't take five minutes for the first lawsuit with the accompanying request for an injunction to be filed. And probably not much longer than that until the injunction would be granted.
 
It absolutely will in a 2 conference 40 team scenario. With those 40 teams flush with TV and NIL money kids will sit in the hopes of eventually playing in the spotlight instead of playing in a secondary league against weaker competition for less or no money. That's the issue and that's why the NFL isn't going to sit back and allow it to happen. There will only be so many roster spots and so much playing time, but all the demand will be to land on one of those 40 teams. They're also not going to allow scenarios like Jordan Addison making more money at USC as a senior than he did as a rookie to continue because it ultimately constricts the flow of NFL ready players to NFL teams.
You're assuming that kids would rather take the money to sit on the bench somewhere. Jordan Addison didn't go straight to USC for a reason. Players want to play. I mean, you claim Addison gave up money to go to the NFL a year early, right?
 
Or the NFL gets involved. If you have 2 mega conferences shelling out massive NIL deals, then that could rock the NFL boat.
Bingo. Except it won't be the NFL, it will be the NFLPA. They will become the defacto "union" which represents the players. That is the next shoe...err... boot to drop as it has already gone thru the courts.

When the Ohio State and Alabama players go on strike - what is going to happen?
 
That would be illegal. If the NFL announces that they are going to play on fall Saturdays it won't take five minutes for the first lawsuit with the accompanying request for an injunction to be filed. And probably not much longer than that until the injunction would be granted.
The Sports Broadcasting Act was designed to protect interest in amateur football - i.e., high school and unpaid college football players.

If college players are no longer amateurs, e.g., they become employees of an athletics association that partners with the schools or there is a 40 team mega conference that excludes 2/3 of college football players in America, then you can make a pretty plausible argument that the law no longer serves its purpose and has no need to be enforced against the NFL.
 
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The Sports Broadcasting Act was designed to protect interest in amateur football - i.e., high school and unpaid college football players.

If college players are no longer amateurs, e.g., they become employees of an athletics association that partners with the schools or there is a 40 team mega conference that excludes 2/3 of college football players in America, then you can make a pretty plausible argument that the law no longer serves its purpose and has no need to be enforced against the NFL.
There's still that annoying anti-trust exemption they'd have to get around.
 
The Sports Broadcasting Act was designed to protect interest in amateur football - i.e., high school and unpaid college football players.

If college players are no longer amateurs, e.g., they become employees of an athletics association that partners with the schools or there is a 40 team mega conference that excludes 2/3 of college football players in America, then you can make a pretty plausible argument that the law no longer serves its purpose and has no need to be enforced against the NFL.


That is certainly an argument that the NFL could make. But there is no reason to think that it would be a successful one in court. And it almost certainly wouldn't fly in Congress if they wanted to change the actual law.
 
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That is certainly an argument that the NFL could make. But there is no reason to think that it would be a successful one in court. And it almost certainly wouldn't fly in Congress if they wanted to change the actual law.
Courts overturn laws whose original intent is no longer being met due to change circumstances all the time. It's a 60+ year old law that was designed to protect amateur football players, not protect college football teams with $20M+ per year payrolls from competition from the NFL. Why would a court continue to uphold that law?

Especially if they court shop. Why wouldn't the NFL simply file in a Federal District with a lot of Pitt, Wake Forest, or SMU grads who are upset their team got left out of the 40 team super conference? Boom, you already got to the Court of Appeals.
 
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There's still that annoying anti-trust exemption they'd have to get around.
Anti-trust is barely enforced nowadays and a huge part of enforcement is the sympathy of the little guy.

Courts are probably not going to view a 40 team mega conference with hundreds of millions in NIL payroll favorably vis-a-vis the NFL. I think it comes out in the wash.
 
Anti-trust is barely enforced nowadays and a huge part of enforcement is the sympathy of the little guy.

Courts are probably not going to view a 40 team mega conference with hundreds of millions in NIL payroll favorably vis-a-vis the NFL. I think it comes out in the wash.
NFL doesn't fear the courts. They fear congress, who granted them the exemption. Last thing the NFL wants is to get caught in a political mess.
 
Courts overturn laws whose original intent is no longer being met due to change circumstances all the time. It's a 60+ year old law that was designed to protect amateur football players, not protect college football teams with $20M+ per year payrolls from competition from the NFL. Why would a court continue to uphold that law?

Especially if they court shop. Why wouldn't the NFL simply file in a Federal District with a lot of Pitt, Wake Forest, or SMU grads who are upset their team got left out of the 40 team super conference? Boom, you already got to the Court of Appeals.


Because if they court shop in a place with lots of Pitt fans, a lot more Stiller fans live there. If they court shop where there are lots of SMU fans, there are a lot more Cowboy fans there.

It is certainly possible that the NFL could get the law overturned in court. The fact that they have never tried probably ought to be instructive as to what they think their chances are, but I guess not.
 
Because if they court shop in a place with lots of Pitt fans, a lot more Stiller fans live there. If they court shop where there are lots of SMU fans, there are a lot more Cowboy fans there.

It is certainly possible that the NFL could get the law overturned in court. The fact that they have never tried probably ought to be instructive as to what they think their chances are, but I guess not.
Dude, do you know what an example is? It's not just Pitt. There are many more colleges who will be left out of the 40 team mega conference than those who remain. The left out people vastly outnumber the mega conference survivors. Maybe Ohio State, LSU, and Texas produce many more Federal District Judges than every non-40 school but maybe not. In any event, you just have to find 1 friendly judge for you to fast track yourself to victory.

And I don't understand your point about SMU-Cowboy fans. Those people seem like they'd be double anti-40 team college football since they're both pro-SMU and pro-NFL playing more games throughout the week.

I think you're probably right that the NFL didn't like their chances of overturning the law in the past. But last year they played Friday 6:00pm games for the first time ever so clearly they're more bullish on their chances (or they don't care about enforcement) nowadays.
 
Dude, do you know what an example is? It's not just Pitt. There are many more colleges who will be left out of the 40 team mega conference than those who remain. The left out people vastly outnumber the mega conference survivors. Maybe Ohio State, LSU, and Texas produce many more Federal District Judges than every non-40 school but maybe not. In any event, you just have to find 1 friendly judge for you to fast track yourself to victory.

And I don't understand your point about SMU-Cowboy fans. Those people seem like they'd be double anti-40 team college football since they're both pro-SMU and pro-NFL playing more games throughout the week.

I think you're probably right that the NFL didn't like their chances of overturning the law in the past. But last year they played Friday 6:00pm games for the first time ever so clearly they're more bullish on their chances (or they don't care about enforcement) nowadays.
I don't think the NFL gets involved and the haves will stick it to all of the have-nots. If you're not a blue blood, you might be in the big 2 conferences but you'll be settling for a few more bucks for your troubles than the schools left out. Equal revenue sharing won't be happening by the time it's all said and done.
 
I think you're probably right that the NFL didn't like their chances of overturning the law in the past. But last year they played Friday 6:00pm games for the first time ever so clearly they're more bullish on their chances (or they don't care about enforcement) nowadays.


Remind us all, which television network showed that Black Friday game on television? And which one is scheduled to show the Friday game in Brazil this year?

I mean yeah, I guess if the NFL wants to move their games to streaming only, Fridays and Saturdays are wide open. That isn't happening any time soon.
 
Remind us all, which television network showed that Black Friday game on television? And which one is scheduled to show the Friday game in Brazil this year?

I mean yeah, I guess if the NFL wants to move their games to streaming only, Fridays and Saturdays are wide open. That isn't happening any time soon.
Dude, you're just making s*** up to respond now.

Streaming has nothing to do with anything. The NFL's Friday game in Brazil kicks off at 6pm, just like their Friday games in 2023. These are compliant with the SBA of 1961 which allows Friday after 6pm kickoffs. The NFL could have done this decades ago, they chose not to. They feel like they can do it now without blowback and they were proven right last year. Maybe the next step is challenging the law or challenging enforcement?

Haven't you learned anything from the last 20 years? "The law" is incredibly amorphous and subject to wildly different interpretations depending on who is sitting on the bench and the political climate of the day. The NFL probably would have lost an anti-trust case in the 1960s (they did actually, which is why the SBA exists) when college players were actual amateurs and the Federal system upheld anti-trust cases. Would they today in an environment there college players are clearly no longer amateurs and major college football may be limited to 40 teams in the coming years? That's an entirely different problem.

Have the last word if you want but I'm moving on. You're just saying stuff to say stuff.
 
It sounds like they already are. Very interesting that Goodell’s second-in-command was part of the group tasked to put this together.
I have very little regard for Goodell, but if he helps sort this mess out he'd rise to above subhuman for me.
 
Bumping because a leaked confidential slide from the Super League pitch has been obtained by Sportico. Pitt would be in a division with Notre Dame, PSU, and WVU among others… sign me up for that!
 
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