Big 12 Expansion Losing Momentum: No Grant Of Rights Extension, Ranking Candidates, LINK!

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Interesting comments and revelations and still talk of break up.....
Excerpt:
BIG-12 NO EXTENSION FOR GRANT OF RIGHTS:
The Big 12 is not expected to extend its grant of rights -- the contract that essentially keeps the conference together -- no matter the outcome of expansion talks, CBS Sports has learned. Multiple sources through the expansion process have mentioned that, for Texas and Oklahoma alone, it is difficult to find support to extend the grant of rights past its expiration in 2025. Those two schools are thought to have the most conference options when the 13-year, $2.6 billion media rights contract with ESPN and Fox expires in eight years. "Those grant of rights aren't going to be extended," an official at one of those schools told CBS Sports...................

SEC HAS NO GRANT IN RIGHTS:
In addition, three of four other Power Five conferences have similar grant of rights stipulations that basically limits any movement before the middle of the next decade. The SEC is the only conference that does not due to its unwavering strength and loyalty from its member institutions......

OKLAHOMA READY TO LEAVE IN 30 MINUTES IN 2010:
Even if the Big 12 expands, sources say at least Oklahoma and Texas would want to flexibility of exploring their options after the current media rights agreement expires for football 2024 and basketball in 2025. Oklahoma regent Max Weitzenhoffer told CBS Sports in May the school was "within 30 minutes" of leaving for the Pac-10 in 2010. Big 12 members are expected to each be making $43 million in annual revenue at the end of the current deal. Texas and Oklahoma are each expected to be earning more than $50 million in annual revenue by that time.

WAITING OUT GRANT OF RIGHTS:
As mentioned, Big 12 schools seeking to leave early could challenge the grant of rights in court. However, the league took the extra step of incorporating in Delaware where the law makes it less likely. The most likely scenario for a school seeking to leave would be to wait about six years. That would avoid extended court battles and leave two years until the 2025 expiration to extricate itself from the Big 12.

CANDIDATES FOR EXPANSION:
No Temple or UConn
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

 

[stennet]

Wonder why they don't want Houston to join? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Jpripper88]

Wonder why they don't want Houston to join? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

They likely don't add any real value to the conference and may be a flash in the pan that falters if (when) Herman leaves?

 

[mbe 34]

Interesting comments and revelations and still talk of break up.....
Excerpt:
BIG-12 NO EXTENSION FOR GRANT OF RIGHTS:
The Big 12 is not expected to extend its grant of rights -- the contract that essentially keeps the conference together -- no matter the outcome of expansion talks, CBS Sports has learned. Multiple sources through the expansion process have mentioned that, for Texas and Oklahoma alone, it is difficult to find support to extend the grant of rights past its expiration in 2025. Those two schools are thought to have the most conference options when the 13-year, $2.6 billion media rights contract with ESPN and Fox expires in eight years. "Those grant of rights aren't going to be extended," an official at one of those schools told CBS Sports...................

SEC HAS NO GRANT IN RIGHTS:
In addition, three of four other Power Five conferences have similar grant of rights stipulations that basically limits any movement before the middle of the next decade. The SEC is the only conference that does not due to its unwavering strength and loyalty from its member institutions......

OKLAHOMA READY TO LEAVE IN 30 MINUTES IN 2010:
Even if the Big 12 expands, sources say at least Oklahoma and Texas would want to flexibility of exploring their options after the current media rights agreement expires for football 2024 and basketball in 2025. Oklahoma regent Max Weitzenhoffer told CBS Sports in May the school was "within 30 minutes" of leaving for the Pac-10 in 2010. Big 12 members are expected to each be making $43 million in annual revenue at the end of the current deal. Texas and Oklahoma are each expected to be earning more than $50 million in annual revenue by that time.

WAITING OUT GRANT OF RIGHTS:
As mentioned, Big 12 schools seeking to leave early could challenge the grant of rights in court. However, the league took the extra step of incorporating in Delaware where the law makes it less likely. The most likely scenario for a school seeking to leave would be to wait about six years. That would avoid extended court battles and leave two years until the 2025 expiration to extricate itself from the Big 12.

CANDIDATES FOR EXPANSION:
No Temple or UConn
LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...grant-of-rights-extension-ranking-candidates/

Wonder if he Big 10 will regret taking Rutgers and Maryland ? Such a dumb knee jerk reaction to ND going with ACC affiliation. Northeast is a wasteland for college football. Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Baylor, TCU, Houston- another Texas School? They screwed up big time. One thing for sure - nobody wants the hillbillies. They bring nothing to the table.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Texas and Notre Dame to the ACC could be the absolute game-changer.

 

[NCBlueWonderz]

Texas and Notre Dame to the ACC could be the absolute game-changer.

I have heard this being bandied about for some time now. Texas and Notre Dame would be super additions and would really solidify the ACC as a football conference of the first order.

 

[Jpripper88]

Mbe enlighten me with what Pitt adds to the Acc that WVU doesn't have.Don't say academics because that doesn't matter to the Acc,thus Louisville!It's all about sports and TV sets and show me where Pitt is superior in these areas!Maybe I'm naive but Pitt's fan base consists of a small 5 County area in Wpa, right?Where as WVU has a whole state,minus the Huntington,Wva area.I say its a wash on fan base.Now in the area of sports do you really think Pitt has the better overall sports programs?

Maybe you should ask the ACC. They didn't even consider WVU. Neither would SEC, B1G or Pac12, no matter geography.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Mbe enlighten me with what Pitt adds to the Acc that WVU doesn't have.Don't say academics because that doesn't matter to the Acc,thus Louisville!It's all about sports and TV sets and show me where Pitt is superior in these areas!Maybe I'm naive but Pitt's fan base consists of a small 5 County area in Wpa, right?Where as WVU has a whole state,minus the Huntington,Wva area.I say its a wash on fan base.Now in the area of sports do you really think Pitt has the better overall sports programs?

WVU's "whole state" has less population than metropolitan Pittsburgh so there's that. WVU's fanbase does bleed into the hinterlands of Fayette, Greene, and Washington counties but Pitt's bleeds into counties north of Butler and west of Westmoreland. Pitt brings more TV sets.....obviously. And the thought is Pitt has a higher ceiling since there are more eyeballs to watch them if they are good and more recruits within an hour radius. That said, nobody makes the best of less than ideal situations like WVU. How they can be consistently a 7 or 8 win team is beyond me.

 

[SouthSidePanther]

When the Big 12 dies, I hope WVU enjoys the AAC.

 

[Jpripper88]

88 did I ask you something?But since you butted in do you think more Pitt fans watch a Pitt football game than WVU fans watch a Wvu game? I'm talking strictly TV viewers not attendance at games.

No one cares about how many "Fan of School X" folks watch a game or even attend a game. No wonder you are so confused.

However, based on televised games and ratings, it certainly seems the answer would be Pitt fans.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Maybe you should ask the ACC. They didn't even consider WVU. Neither would SEC, B1G or Pac12, no matter geography.

Ouch! I'm glad you're not my dad

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"mbe 34, post: 1608933, member: 1738"]Wonder if he Big 10 will regret taking Rutgers and Maryland ? Such a dumb knee jerk reaction to ND going with ACC affiliation. Northeast is a wasteland for college football. Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Baylor, TCU, Houston- another Texas School? They screwed up big time. One thing for sure - nobody wants the hillbillies. They bring nothing to the table.
MBE34 you know I respect your posts but I disagree on this aspect. Big Ten Delany did a run around ACC Swofford, when he took Rutgers and stealth stole Maryland after grabbing Pitt & Cuse. Here is how i see it:
1. Big-10 gain access to NYC & Washington DC Urban & State Markets!
2. Big-10 Added Eastern & South Regions VA, DC, MD, NJ Compliments PA!
3. Big-10 can go further South in Virginia and North Carolina in future Expansion!
4. Added Eastern Recruiting Viewing in Maryland and New Jersey in FB!
5. B-10 added DC, Baltimore, NJ, & NYC to Basketball Recruiting and Viewing!
6. Big-10 can make ND & UT Future Offers $$$ Wise!
7. Big-10 had no place to go until they grabbed NJ & MD!
8. Big-10 can still go Midwest towards OU & KU!
9. Big-10 in direct competition with ACC Recruiting in NE, SE & Still has Midwest!
10. Big-10 Foresight against Swofford Hindsight!

Rutgers would have been a great addition to the ACC and help keep Maryland but some of this is on the ACC Presidents that did not put in Grant of Rights until they lost UMD and then ULou added and ND in all Sports except Hockey & FB and Lacrosse.

Maryland and Rutgers with Big Ten Money will compete far better now and really hurt Penn State as well as some ACC Schools including Pitt, Cuse, BC, UVA, and VT.

Yet, winning in the Big Ten East against OSU, Michigan, and MSU is far more formidable as well and Penn State has proven it by not winning more and being reduced to 7th Winning Program and not just after Sanctions but started in 2000?

Still, Rutgers and UMD would have won easier in the ACC Coastal at the same time and so would have Penn State, but now all Power Five Programs have money now and will improve as Pitt is doing in filling Recruiting Staffing Vacancies, able to pay for all 85 Scholarships, and attracting Top Coaches & Paying those Staffs.

It is now up to finding and keeping Great Coaches and Financial Resources are making a better level playing within Conferences and good coaching can now make them win better than before. Yet, the Top Programs will always out spend, out hire, and out resources the others but if they don't win 10+ games and Conferences and NCS, you end up like Kiffen, Miles, and Cutcliffe, and soon to be joined by Strong, Franklin, and Kelly might be happening sooner not later.

 

[Jpripper88]

So 88 you think Pitt's games are more watched than Wvu's??Seriously I don't know the answer to this.But if I were a betting man(and I am) I'd bet more people watch Wvu than Pitt game in and game out!I forgot most of your games aren't on TV so it doesn't matter.Will someone answer me about how Pitt is better than WVU in comparing the two schools sports programs.

More Pitt games are on national TV and get more viewers when they are.

You can Venmo or PayPal me whatever you think is fair. Where should I send the request?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Wonder why they don't want Houston to join? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It adds little to TV ratings in a conference with Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor? It also will add Top Recruits going to Houston once it becomes a Power 5 Conference, plus the Program that is isolated in the Big-12 is WVU, over 1,000 miles near Big-12 Program.

If the Big-12 Expands going East is best to help form a second region and adding States that will add TV Footprint and don't stop at 12 go to 14 to 16, but The University of Texas might object and OU might go anyway.

Yet, they say, adding another 2, 4, or 6 Schools that can bring in more money even with a bigger footprint is another problem?

SEC has the Best Football Brains running that Conference in ever growing region and among Top Schools & Programs more competitive than any other Conference and Tops in Talent, Ratings, and Attendance.

Big Ten Delany has the most innovative bold forward thinking on but stuck in the Midwest and now part of the North East has to go South and Southwest, just to stay up with SEC, but is SECond to SEC too.

PAC-12 and ACC made some mistakes in Networks, Expansion, and have good footprints but not as near to SEC or BIG TEN well earned bold building of up in CFB resources. They are followers not leaders.

The Big-12 is scattered among the rest and just in 5 states and fewer Programs to advance their rebuilding. It is UT & OU and then the rests even with TCU, OKSU, Baylor, KSU, and WVU after 2000 TO 2016?

Even when they had A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska, they were still last in putting Top Talent in the NFL and even behind the 8 FB Programs of the Big East in 1990s and 2000s.

The Big-12 may be better off absorbed by the Four Power Conferences and everyone wants UT & OU first and foremost and those both want to be where they can win more easily and already make great money. The ACC with ND & UT would be better than SEC or Big-10 winning wise.

Even Kansas has been talked about joining the Big Ten for Basketball reasons and to help Nebraska Regional isolation. Like Maryland and Rutgers has helped Penn State isolation.

Iowa does not want ISU in Big Ten. Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU all have problem too since SEC is already in Texas. They have better chances with ACC & PAC-12 as well OKSU and KSU could be additions well, but better suited for the Pac-12 or Big Ten.

Big Ten and SEC would Love to add OU too, but OU wants an easier place to win too.

It really is sad, but even Iowa State could go PAC-12. Leaving WVU all alone and isolated unless SEC takes them?

I still see and been told by Networks Executives, Sports Lawyers and NFL Agents, the CFB Conferencs going to 16 to 18 to 20 Teams sooner or later in Four Power Conferences and in a For Profit Leagues run under the Non-Profit University CFB Commission. No NCAA and No Title IX outside regulations just in CFB, not the other Sports.

We shall see how it plays out soon?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"medixman, post: 1609117, member: 28301"]Sean your right beside the Orndoff's there are only 7 other Pitt fans down here in Greene County!
I can confirm that too, WVU lives well and near among Fans, some Penn State from Fayette and Somerset, and Washington is the Pitt Border. I was at Nemacolin Woodlands all Weekend and will be in Spring PA, for the October Festival this Saturday. Oil City later this Month is Pitt Country too.

Can't discuss anymore got to get to bed,Im going to be in a tree stand by 5:45!
Hmmnnnn, good luck and know some Farms that right there in Waynesburg and Fredricktown that are great places to hunt them down or wait and then shoot. Don't hunt myself but glad others do to keep the Wildlife off the roads. Love Greene County Fishing & Hunting Club for skeet shooting.

Yes I kill them,gut them,skin them,butcher them and then I eat them!!!
Are you talking about what Harbaugh's Michigan Team did to Franklin's Penn State???

Just joshing good luck and happy hunting and feasting later!

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

More Pitt games are on national TV and get more viewers when they are.

You can Venmo or PayPal me whatever you think is fair. Where should I send the request?

ESPN put WVU/BYU on ESPN2 and relegated Pitt/UNC to the much lesser watched ESPNU a few weeks ago.

 

[ncyajleel]

My question to the WVU fan is what does WVU bring any conference other than a fan base? No recruiting, no TV market, limited academics, not a great tradition, average sports and I say average because though you may have a few good years you are by no means a powerhouse in football or basketball. So what do you have to offer? What is your ceiling in all of the above?

Also, you mentioned that academics has nothing to do with it and you can't be more wrong.

 

[ThePanthers]

ESPN put WVU/BYU on ESPN2 and relegated Pitt/UNC to the much lesser watched ESPNU a few weeks ago.

Could have been because it was a neutral site game/deal with BYU how many times they have to be on certain ESPN channels/same with ACC. You don't know the details.

 

[ThePanthers]

Maybe you should ask the ACC. They didn't even consider WVU. Neither would SEC, B1G or Pac12, no matter geography.

This.

 

[mbe 34]

No one cares about how many "Fan of School X" folks watch a game or even attend a game. No wonder you are so confused.

However, based on televised games and ratings, it certainly seems the answer would be Pitt fans.

It seems the mods have deleted "Medixman" posts.
But 88 has stated things perfectly.

WVU is even less attractive than it was a few years ago. The collapse of the coal industry makes the state even poorer. Last thing advertisers want is people with no disposable income who are addicted to crack.
I am truly amazed by the lack of coverage WVU gets in the Pittsburgh Market. No one talks about them.

Have to say the dumbest comment in this thread was about WVU having a whole "state" as a fan base. How has that worked out for Montana, South Dakota, and Idaho.
A whole state - Gee wilikers!!

 

[ncyajleel]

It didn't work out for those poor people in the "Wrong Turn" movies!

It seems the mods have deleted "Medixman" posts.
But 88 has stated things perfectly.

WVU is even less attractive than it was a few years ago. The collapse of the coal industry makes the state even poorer. Last thing advertisers want is people with no disposable income who are addicted to crack.
I am truly amazed by the lack of coverage WVU gets in the Pittsburgh Market. No one talks about them.

Have to say the dumbest comment in this thread was about WVU having a whole "state" as a fan base. How has that worked out for Montana, South Dakota, and Idaho.
A whole state - Gee wilikers!!

 

[pittdan77]

It's not just Oklahoma and Texas. Takes three to kill the deal so there is someone else who wants out.

There's an unappreciated genius to this process. I'm guessing OU was bluffing in 2010 because there's no way they would have been happy with the Pac whatever. No way are they moving their TV base to the west coast. Since OU was behind this folly of expansion, it's a good bet they set out to prove they did everything they could and the conference just isn't attracting anyone that will make for a better product. This isn't a shot at WVU but they didn't bring anything extra to the table outside of decent football but that doesn't pay the bills. In the mean time, the conference lost out on Louisville, MD, and Rutgers. None of them was lighting it up football wise but they had TV's in their footprint that mattered. Nothing in the available inventory even comes close. Not even Houston since the conference already is in that market.

This is just a guess but the TV renewal money isn't there and worse yet, it isn't going to be. No reason to extend GOR today if more money isn't a guarantee. That's just smart business. You never alter a contract unless you get something in return. That means the TV people are trying to walk back a bad deal or are satisfied to let this run its course. If that's true, Texas will be fine but OU could get hurt badly.

I think OU is doing a great job of testing the market and seeing what options they have and what they'd be competing against if they try to move. This process should wrap up by next spring at the latest which gives OU a couple of years to try to find a home, leave a couple of years for a transition, and can walk out the day the GOR expires.

 

[Jpripper88]

ESPN put WVU/BYU on ESPN2 and relegated Pitt/UNC to the much lesser watched ESPNU a few weeks ago.

They did. BYU and being a neutral site was the draw, not WVU

And Mizzou-WVU got far less viewers than Pitt-OSU for a similar matchup.

 

[mbe 34]

That's a long post cap - I'll respond to just part of it.
Big 10 already had access to those the New York and DC markets via national networks. Not sure if the Big 10 Network was already there or not. The bigger question is do they add more viewers. The Big Game is football and Maryland and Rutgers are/were not players. IMO the coveted northeast market is ruled by Notre Dame and Ped State a distant second and fading Everyone else are also rans. IMO Oklahoma and/or Texas would've been a better addition than either Rutgers or Maryland. IMO they would outdraw Rutgers and Maryland not only in the Northeast but have way more national interest.
Just because the school is geographically located in an area doesn't mean it automatically has a big football following.

 

[mbe 34]

ESPN put WVU/BYU on ESPN2 and relegated Pitt/UNC to the much lesser watched ESPNU a few weeks ago.

What does that prove?
Of those 4 schools I'm guessing BYU would draw the most interest so they get the most coverage. The other three are minor players. WVU doesn't even have regional interest.

 

[wbrpanther]

Wonder if he Big 10 will regret taking Rutgers and Maryland ? Such a dumb knee jerk reaction to ND going with ACC affiliation. Northeast is a wasteland for college football. Texas, Oklahoma and maybe Baylor, TCU, Houston- another Texas School? They screwed up big time. One thing for sure - nobody wants the hillbillies. They bring nothing to the table.

They should start a conference of Texas schools and maybe Arkansas added in. They could call it the Southwest conference. NO...WAIT...

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What does that prove?
Of those 4 schools I'm guessing BYU would draw the most interest so they get the most coverage. The other three are minor players. WVU doesn't even have regional interest.

It proves that ESPN thought more people would watch WVU/BYU than Pitt/UNC. All 4 programs had similar records, fanbases, and national reputations.

 

[ncyajleel]

Yeah, I'm in Greene. There are a great number of WVU, PSU and Pitt fans. I don't know if you were aware but Mapletown's head football coach played on Pitt's national championship team in 1976, so there are quite a few Pitt fans in the Mapletown/Carmichaels area. Waynesburg has quite a few Pitt fans, the Headlee kids wrestled for Pitt a couple of years ago and Scott Orndoff is Pitt's starting tight end, so there are more Pitt fans than you think. West Greene believe it or not is split between PSU and WVU, but I will give you that Greene County probably has more WVU fans than any other school.

What is funny is WVU fans down here watch the Pitt games so they can make fun of them if they lose, so that helps the Pitt ratings. I don't think Pitt fans watch WVU or PSU.

Leel you live in Greene County and you cut on WVa!!!!!!Your one of the 7 Pitt fans down here that I mentioned.I just think that Wvu's fan base is greater than Pitt's.I'm not talking about number of TV sets in WPa I'm talking about the number of people actually watching football on those TVs!Those homes in Cranberry,South Fayette,Mt Lebanon etc have 6-7 TVs in them but what are they watching on them?Almost every trailer in WVa has their TV tuned into the Wvu football game on Satuday!

 

[medixman]

Captain that was a Major butt kicking Harbaugh put on PSU.Psu was outclassed in every aspect of the game.It will take 4-5 years to catch up with the amount of talent that Michigan and The Osu have.Well I did predict the Wvu vs K-State right,Holgy was just due to beat them in a close one,law of averages comes into play again!I didn't get to see Wvu,Pitt or PSU Saturday I was at a wedding at one of your favorite places Cheat Lake(Lakeview) and missed them all!

 

[Jpripper88]

It proves that ESPN thought more people would watch WVU/BYU than Pitt/UNC. All 4 programs had similar records, fanbases, and national reputations.

Nope.

 

[medixman]

Leel I have the unfortunate pleasure of knowing George for 55 years,just kidding I still play softball,fish and hunt with him! I've watched the 76 Pitt highlight film more than any non Pitt fan alive!Him,his wife and you make up 3 of the 7 Pitt fans I was talking about in Greene County.They should rename West Greene High School- ConsolHigh School they own most of the land out there.You still have the Derek Bochna effect in Greene County,a lot of people followed him at Psu and became fans because of him.

 

[medixman]

Sorry guys no more highjacking this Big 12 thread,I talk to much,sorry!

 

[ncyajleel]

Consol sold everything out here, Rice Energy bought up everything. People out here aren't that bright, they still believe Paterno did things the "right way." Well...except for the pedophile thing.

Leel I have the unfortunate pleasure of knowing George for 55 years,just kidding I still play softball,fish and hunt with him! I've watched the 76 Pitt highlight film more than any non Pitt fan alive!Him,his wife and you make up 3 of the 7 Pitt fans I was talking about in Greene County.They should rename West Greene High School- ConsolHigh School they own most of the land out there.You still have the Derek Bochna effect in Greene County,a lot of people followed him at Psu and became fans because of him.

 

[mvk112]

That's a long post cap - I'll respond to just part of it.
Big 10 already had access to those the New York and DC markets via national networks. Not sure if the Big 10 Network was already there or not. The bigger question is do they add more viewers. The Big Game is football and Maryland and Rutgers are/were not players. IMO the coveted northeast market is ruled by Notre Dame and Ped State a distant second and fading Everyone else are also rans. IMO Oklahoma and/or Texas would've been a better addition than either Rutgers or Maryland. IMO they would outdraw Rutgers and Maryland not only in the Northeast but have way more national interest.
Just because the school is geographically located in an area doesn't mean it automatically has a big football following.

Adding Rutgers got the BTN a ton more cash in NY/NJ/Western Connecticut, pushing the per subscriber rate from $0.44 per subscriber per month to $1.00 per subscriber per month. In the New York market, that pushed revenue from about $14m to about $32m.

http://adage.com/article/media/east-young-man-expansion-a-boon-big-ten-network/300748/

Adding Rutgers and Maryland had exactly the effect that Delaney was looking for.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"mbe 34, post: 1609247, member: 1738"]That's a long post cap - I'll respond to just part of it. Big 10 already had access to those the New York and DC markets via national networks.
They did not until B-10 brought in PSU and that dropped Paterno's Winning against them too. This was before the BTN! This was also why Joe had to play player that should have been suspended or kicked off the Team, but needed them to stay competitive and part of the reason why Sandusky Scandal exposed Penn State University Programs Non-Compliance's with NCAA Rules & required many 2012 Reforms?

Not sure if the Big 10 Network was already there or not.
The BTN was National but New Jersey & Maryland were not Big Ten Teams until 2014? now that they play every year and UMD 7 Rutgers can afford Great coaches and Recruiting Staffing, it will be tougher on PSU more than any other Program.

The bigger question is do they add more viewers. The Big Game is football and Maryland and Rutgers are/were not players. IMO the coveted northeast market is ruled by Notre Dame and Ped State a distant second and fading.
Disagree, it still about Subscribers and Big Ten TV Income is bigger than ever. Big Ten Attendance sharing actually helps Rutgers & Maryland to have a Profit at a PSU Loss? UMD & Rutgers can fund many parts of their Programs they could not do years ago against PSU.

Everyone else are also rans. IMO Oklahoma and/or Texas would've been a better addition than either Rutgers or Maryland. IMO they would outdraw Rutgers and Maryland not only in the Northeast but have way more national interest.
Just because the school is geographically located in an area doesn't mean it automatically has a big football following.
TCU & Baylor, KSU had no big following, it is not about that now, all now can fund 85 Scholarship now, when others like Indiana, Duke, NW could not, it is now about Income they all have to improve and Coaching is just as important as ever. Narduzzi, Durkin, Ash, Babers, all can have Money Resources the Programs never had, now they do?

Big Ten moving East really has helped Rutgers & UMD to become better just as PSU had a Scandal that set them back and PSU is now 7th most winning percentage in B-10 since 2000? Pitt, Cuse, UVA all have better funding too.

The Penn State Program was reduced to second tier Winning under Paterno and the Scandal reduced it further, but adding Big Income to UMD & RU, as Pitt, Uva, and others rise too really hurt PSU more than any other Program. Especially, since MSU, OSU, and UM are already rebuilt and far more elite and better now too.

This is a direct by-product of Big Ten moving Eastward and encroached on and raided ACC coverage from New England to Florida and AC with ULou and ND fought back right in the Heart of the Big Ten too?

Still, DC & NYC now Big Ten when ACC could have surrounded them with keeping UMD & bringing in Rutgers still hurts the ACC too and growing the Big Ten?

 

[chethejet]

MD and Rutgers are not getting the financial windfall for another 5 years. They are getting either loans/advances or just happy to be getting anything at this point. Md will not make money to justify the move to the Big Ten East. OSU, Michigan, MSU and Penn State will be to many teams to overcome. But what it does is cut into PSU recruiting of the MD/VA area. Under Armour is putting money behind the program and while PItt may be effected, PSU no longer dominates anything but central PA.

Pitt with ACC ties and Michigan and other ACC teams are in NJ big time and shrinking the easy pickings that PSU enjoyed years ago. Also Ohio is Pitt and MSU. OSU gets what they want, and Michigan still has a big presence but it is clear both OSU and Michigan are expanding the recruiting to a national level and Pitt benefits from that. The PSU Maryland game is big this week for PSU. Losing will fuel Maryland and recruiting.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"chethejet, post: 1609543, member: 4178"]MD and Rutgers are not getting the financial windfall for another 5 years. They are getting either loans/advances or just happy to be getting anything at this point.
Loans are still money, Coaching has been improved in attracting two of Big Ten's finest OC & DC? Recruiting is also improving and one can see better coaching even in losses and against weaker Teams? This will only grow and keep more recruits from NJ & MD for UMD & RU!

Md will not make money to justify the move to the Big Ten East. OSU, Michigan, MSU and Penn State will be to many teams to overcome.
Agree, but the weak link there is Franklin being beaten badly by Dantonio last year, Harbaugh this year, and soon Meyers again and Dantonio. If Durkin can pull out an win on Saturday it only gets worst! If not, and Franklin can turn it all around, then so be it, but hard to see it?

But what it does is cut into PSU recruiting of the MD/VA area. Under Armour is putting money behind the program and while PItt may be effected, PSU no longer dominates anything but central PA.
Spot on!

Pitt with ACC ties and Michigan and other ACC teams are in NJ big time and shrinking the easy pickings that PSU enjoyed years ago.
Ditto again! Pitt does not have to play OSU, UM, MSU, UMD & RU, Penn StAte has that task as well as Pitt next 3 years too?

Also Ohio is Pitt and MSU. OSU gets what they want, and Michigan still has a big presence but it is clear both OSU and Michigan are expanding the recruiting to a national level and Pitt benefits from that. The PSU Maryland game is big this week for PSU. Losing will fuel Maryland and recruiting.
Amen, and so be it!
Let It be Won & Done!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Nope.

Yeah, that was just silly.

 

[OmarLittle]

Big 12 is in a bind there really are no decent options. As far as programs BYU is the only one to even consider but geographically its opposite of what they want to do. staying at 10 is suicide long term but adding any of these shlubs is drawn out suicide + torture thrown in.

on a side note, maybe its just me but i urge you sidney to use normal font. I can't and won't even try to read your posts as are and I know you have things to say im interested in reading but that blue italic = instant scroll