Big 12 perhaps being forced to expand. Musical chairs to ensue
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The problem with Houston is it fits a traditional geographic fit but today it is all about market expansion. Texas is saturated as it is. I dunno, but they would be smart to pluck a different school such as Memphis or Cincinnati and bridge the gap closer to the hoopies who might as well be in Nova Scotia right now...that said, screw wvu 
For everyone in the big 12 except WVU and Iowa State, Houston makes the most sense. I wouldn't doubt if they just throw in 2 texas teams.
the 4 texas schools, 2 Oklahoma schools, and 2 Kansas schools don't care about eyeballs. The contract is until the mid 2020's right? Around the same time everyone elses is up and a giant league forms (don't laugh, look into how much money is being left on the table).
Put Houston and SMU in at 50%. Why wouldn't they take it? its way more than they get now. Keep their own pockets filled, keep their travel costs/time down, have your champ game and be done with it.
the 4 texas schools, 2 Oklahoma schools, and 2 Kansas schools don't care about eyeballs. The contract is until the mid 2020's right? Around the same time everyone elses is up and a giant league forms (don't laugh, look into how much money is being left on the table).
Put Houston and SMU in at 50%. Why wouldn't they take it? its way more than they get now. Keep their own pockets filled, keep their travel costs/time down, have your champ game and be done with it.
I agree. Any chair swapping will occur in the metaphorical balcony. I don't see the Big 12_having the clout to pull in from other P5 conferences. The AAC might lose some sleep though.
Man, UCONN is close to becoming UMASS. Lucky for them.K Ollie is good.
The problem is while they [Houston and SMU] would make more money as a whole, they would be at a huge financial disadvantage with the rest of the league. In contrast to now, where they are likely on equal (or greater) footing with the rest of the American.
Still, I see this as the more likely route of Big 12 expansion to get that stupid game in contrast to stealing another BCS team.
BTW, while I don't necessarily want to see it, if most of the involved parties were smart, the Big 12 and ACC would figure out a way to swap Louisville and WVU.
for Texas and TCU it is their best interest to NOT have Houston and SMU in the Big12. Why would they want to elevate the status with rivals right cross town or in an area they highly recruit?
The problem with Houston is it fits a traditional geographic fit but today it is all about market expansion. Texas is saturated as it is. I dunno, but they would be smart to pluck a different school such as Memphis or Cincinnati and bridge the gap closer to the hoopies who might as well be in Nova Scotia right now...that said, screw wvu
And honestly, how has these expansion for "markets" worked out for some of these conferences? Eh? Houston makes sense. Houston is what, the 4th largest metro area? Houston and Cincy or Memphis makes the most sense. Especially UC as it gives somewhat a travel partner to WVU.
I'm not sure they will expand. So far, the lack of a conference championship game has only hurt Baylor/TCU, but has not been a problem for Oklahoma. I think it also would not be a problem for Texas if they were in a similar situation as the Sooners. The "blue blood" schools receive the benefit of the doubt over the others, so why would Texas and Oklahoma (the real decision makers) see a reason to expand?
They are trying to get the deregulation to now be that the Big XII can play with 10 teams and no divisions if they select their top 2 teams. This was the concern the BIG had with the ACC. If they allow this to pass, that setup that is a big advantage for the Big XII.
I'm hoping now the division component has to stay. If that stays, I'm guessing Big XII expands in the next 2 to 3 years.
My guess would be between Cincy, UConn, Memphis or Houston.
I'm hoping now the division component has to stay. If that stays, I'm guessing Big XII expands in the next 2 to 3 years.
My guess would be between Cincy, UConn, Memphis or Houston.
If Stanford only had one loss instead of two and won the Pac 12, I'm guessing Oklahoma may have been in trouble.
There was no other clear cut team to take their place this year.
There is no advantage to the ACC at ALL in a Louisville/WVU swap. You said "if the involved parties were smart"? The ACC would be incredibly stupid to make that trade.
I thought the big 12 was looking to have a championship game despite having only 10 teams and the ACC wants to be able to pick their top 2; basically be able to have fsu and Clemson play the championship game.. Maybe I am wrong. Seems that the lack of that 13th game has hurt the big 12 elite teams, basically that extra game by other conferences gives them a better resume than the big 12 team.. Not sure if that is true or not..
I get the big 12's argument, not sure why the ACC is pushing this though. Has the championship game having a coastal team hurt the conference?
ACC, at least in the foreseeable future, has stated over and over again they have no plans to change their setup. It's more of the principle that the conferences have the right how to determine their champion. The Big XII wants to have one with 10 teams and no divisions.
The BIG admendment wants divisions so you can't just pick the top two teams. The SEC said they are willing to work to determine if the Big XII can have one with 10 teams. Not sure if they will require the divisions.
To me, if you allow the Big XII to just play the top 2 after round robin play, that gives them a big advantage no other conference has, and why push the division thing in the first place?
At the end of the day, I hope this passes that you don't need 12 teams, but you need divisions so everyone is pretty much the same, or you get status quo.
The worst thing will be is if you have 12 teams, you must have divisions, but if you play full round robin with 10 teams, you can have one with no divisions. That gives the Big XII a big advantage IMO.
The B12 wants to have a championship game between the top two teams in their round-robin 10-team league. The ACC hasn't been thrilled with the format of their game and likely think they could command higher revenue from it if it featured the two best teams in the league, regardless of division. If they went to this format, I would expect the divisions to dissolve and form something more similar to the basketball format where you rotate around but do not have defined divisions.
The ACC doesn't want to come out and say it, but co-sponsoring the proposed change seems to imply they'd favor the new format.
I hope this happens just so it can lead to a scheduling change in conference. Hate the set up now. ACC needs to go to 9 conference games, thus hopefully ending the fcs annual scrimmages..
This is why the sport as a whole is stupid and an objective system that mandates every conference champ in the playoffs is needed, to take opinion and voting out of the decision of who goes.
It isnt going to be BYU and Memphis, Cincy, UConn, or Colorado State just isn't juicy enough. Neither is USF and UCF but in them, you get 2 very big TV markets and FL recruiting access which is huge for the B12, where it seems 90% of the recruits come from TX.
Meh. Look at a map. Kentucky borders Virginia, so Louisville makes just as much sense geographically.
Louisville brings so much more to the ACC, in both sports, than WVU ever could. More fans, more eyeballs, more ratings.
Maybe, but until either Oklahoma or Texas get passed over, I predict that the Big 12 doesn't change anything.
I have never understood why any league other than the Big 12 would vote in favor of a system that benefits only the Texas-based conference?
I mean we are all competing for the same playoff spots, right? So, if you are say, the SEC, for example, why on earth would you vote for a foundational change to the system that gives the Big 12 an obvious advantage over you and everyone else?
That part of this whole deal has never made any sense whatsoever to me.
I hope the whole legislation fails and the B12 is forced to expand to at least 12 schools. I think that would be the best case scenario for most of the parties concerned - including Pitt.
I mean we are all competing for the same playoff spots, right? So, if you are say, the SEC, for example, why on earth would you vote for a foundational change to the system that gives the Big 12 an obvious advantage over you and everyone else?
That part of this whole deal has never made any sense whatsoever to me.
I hope the whole legislation fails and the B12 is forced to expand to at least 12 schools. I think that would be the best case scenario for most of the parties concerned - including Pitt.
The big 12 tv contract is based in part of having a championship game and 12 teams, which is why they make so much right now per team. They would be foolish to expland until tv deal is up, or tv deal force them to expand on some type of contractual obligation
This. If they do vote to allow a 10 team conference to pick the top 2 teams, then they are dumb IMO for the reasons you state.
I can see the deal being "if you play a round robin you can select top 2 teams, no round robin you must have divisions". That would greatly help the Big XII, which I don't understand. I hope it stays status quo.
Yeah, unless they truly believe there is a disadvantage by not having a CCG and this deregulation doesn't pass so they need to expand, they are smart to stay the same, which is what they want to do. Not only with the TV contract, but with the Sugar bowl splitting an average of $40MM 10 ways instead of 12.
Basketball, sure.
Football, don't really think so. Look at the list of ACC schools, how many of them do you really find Louisville to be a more marketable matchup than wvu?
Like you, I don't really want it to happen, I'm for letting wvu sink on their island. Nor do I think it will even be considered anyways, for numerous reasons. But using one's head instead of their, it would have made sense.
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Yea, WVU gives you rivalry games with Pitt and VT but Louisville is as good a program or better and in a better TV market with a better bball program and has some in-state talent to recruit to. WV has 0 D1 players meaning they have to steal all their recruits from other ACC teams.
Louisville over WVU every time.
You trying to tell me bc, Syracuse, and Miami fans prefer a matchup with Louisville?
Same thing with most of the other relevant football schools in the ACC.
Pitt wants badly to play WVU?
if that was true, we would make it happen, since WVU's AD and Holgy have made it clear they want to play Pitt.
If they were forced to answer the question, they would probably say WVU for old-time's sake but I dont think any of them would care enough to answer the question. Louisville is just fine.
Its like telling Pitt the ACC and B10 were going to swap BC for IU. We'd rather have BC but who would really care that much?
I'm with OE to be honest. Louisville is a heck of a school, but if we could somehow trade WVU and them, I'd do it.
Now, strictly as a Pitt fan hating WVU, I'm glad they are on an island, but overall, to keep it mainly regional, having a strong rival, and having another state type school in this conference that has a strong FB history, I'd do it.
Now, strictly as a Pitt fan hating WVU, I'm glad they are on an island, but overall, to keep it mainly regional, having a strong rival, and having another state type school in this conference that has a strong FB history, I'd do it.
I think you are underestimating the history between those other schools.
As for bc v Indiana, well, we were pretty excited when Pitt beat bc last year, and wanting nothing to do with Indiana in the bowl since we viewed it as a no win situation, so yeah I think we'd care more than just a little bit.
