And its not like Pitt offense/oline loaded with 5* recruits.
Wow, what a hire this guy was?
Wow, what a hire this guy was?
Borbely smashed Foster
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And QB really. There definitely seems to be a strong relationship between stars and RB and WR/
True. But the problem with stars is that it implies that if a kid is not a 4 or 5 star he’s not good. For sure with rbs and wrs and even DBs a kid rated highly will be far more likely to be good
However the nature of the star rankings means there is a limited number of players in those categories so it automatically eliminates a ton of kids with great potential.
Yeah, Borbely has taken a former walk-on, a former MAC recruit, two redshirt-seniors who never started, and a tackle who is playing out of position to help the team and molded them into one of the best rush blocking units in the country and yesterday the pass protection was better ..... he seems to be doing a good job.
Chryst deserves credit for identifying Herndon and Dantino
Nobody wanted these guys, but PC saw football players.
Lets hope he can do as well next year with only one returning starting OL.
He had , what, 2 this year ?and one moved to other side and from g to tackle? The guy should win the f’n Broyles up to this point
Herndon was an ILB and Dintino was DT. I wouldn't give Chryst credit for getting them in a position to be successful.
What they played in HS is irrelevant. And we will never know what PC would have done with these guys.
But you cant play OL at this level without toughness and agressiveness, two traits that PC certainly noticed, if the recruitniks did not.
Needless to say - we stole VT’s lunch box, ate their lunch, took what money they had inside, and left it on the side of the road to get smashed.
pittdan77
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Get bent. Really sick of people who act like anyone can play OL if they just show up. Like it's some low skill position.
Hey numnuts what he was trying to say was that the high star OL rated players coming out of HS often don't live up to expectations. Sometimes a good coach can develop players for the OL that are not rated that high or were playing a different position in HS.
pittdan77
Athletic Director
Yeah, I can read. It's a stupid opinion.
Highly rated OL'men out of HS flame out just as "often" as any other position. The perception that "stars don't matter" comes from the fact that almost half the players on offense play line, ergo, it's tougher to bring in top talent to fill every position on the line. But good coaches would make any player willing to put in the work, get better, regardless. The ceiling is just a lot lower for some guys. If you think it's a good long term strategy to recruit "projects" or cobble together graduate transfers, you guys are kidding yourselves.
stars don't mean crap. Have we out recruited Louisville once since 2013? No. But Pitt is relevant Louisville is like Stallings era Pitt.
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Results are the only thing that matter. Did you win or lose the game? Bottom line.
Who said it was low skill the point is there are tons of guys that are not highly recruited along the line who become very good ol. There’s a lot more intangibles to finding and developing OL than there is at say RB where pure athleticism dominates
For years WVUs OL was not highly recruited but were very good. Again your conftlating stars with talent
So by definition since the star ratings are limited to a small fraction of what’s needed there are far too many OL to count who have had low ratings who ended up being very good. Thus just because an OL recruit isn’t highly rated doesn’t mean he’s not talented
Take a chill pill
pittdan77
Athletic Director
Well, you did. OL is no different than any other position. Good HS players flame out and mediocre play up. That doesn't mean you just take warm bodies and hope you can "coach them up" or get kids to change position. You still have to go find good players.
Pitt has the only fan base in the country that thinks recruiting doesn't matter.
Herndon came out of HS as a 6'4, 320# 2 way lineman. He may have played LB in 9th or 10th grade, but he was always a lineman from a recruiting standpoint and started out as a guard at Pitt.
He was 82nd best ILB coming out of high school (1980th best overall recruit). He still played linebacker as senior in high school.
Mike Herndon played OT and MLB through 11th grade ..... in his senior year, he played OT and DT (and FB on a rare occasion .... scored 3 TD's) ...... Pitt recruited him originally as a DT ...... see the recruiting article below by Brian Batko for the panther-lair at the time written in 1/14 ......
https://pittsburgh.rivals.com/news/herndon-has-a-transition-year
Louisville fell off a cliff this year, but from 2013 - 2017 they averaged 9.2 wins per season. Pitt averaged 6.8 over that same period.
I think Pitt fans look at Dan Mozes or Brian O'Neill as guys that weren't highly recruited and had nice careers. Then on the other side of the ledger, they see a slew of higher rated WPIAL kids that flounder at PSU (Marmo, Farris, Jenkins, Ricketts, Diffenbach) and a few at Pitt as well, and conclude that "stars don't matter".
Like you said, no team has 4 stars across the entire line. But it isn't a coincidence that the better linemen that Pitt has produced of late have mostly been highly rated:
Clemmings 5 star
Johnson 4/5 start
Bisnowaty 4 star
Malecki 4 star
Pinkston 4 star
pittdan77
Athletic Director
I'll almost guarantee that if PSU continues to recruit OL-men at a high level and Limegrover stays to coach that unit, they'll improve.
