Brent Pry and VT suck
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Moorhead and Diaz barely coached with Franklin, they're barely part of the tree, and there could still be hope for those guys (but they are both at tough schools to win at currently, so it's a very uphill battle for both of them). Pry, on the other hand, had been with Franklin a long time and unfortunately for VT, it shows.
PSU has recruited Virginia/Maryland well during Franklin’s tenure. I think part of the appeal of Pry was thinking he could convince some of those guys to stay home.
It's over for VT. They had a nice thing going with Beamer, helped when they hit lightening in a bottle with Vick. They need someone like Bill O'Brien.
Yes, he is a commonwealth native and coached at VT under Beamer. They want to get back to winning with as many Virginia kids as possible.
Great school and beautiful campus but starting to believe it is a tough sell to get top prospects there consistently.
Still they were more than competitive last night.
Pry is one of the worst. Its not easy to get outcoached by Cristobal but Pry found a way. Both those guys are no better than your average WPIAL gym teacher and I mean that 100%.
The fake field goal was one of the worst coaching decisions I’ve ever witnessed. You knew it would become the deciding factor when it failed.
Horrible execution too. At least 3 lineman got completely blown off the ball. That play was dead on arrival.
I think VT looked pretty good. Yes stupid fake field goal but if Miami is a top 10 team VT can be tough to beat. Teams evolve and devolve depending on lots of variables. I see something with VT. We'll see
I agree VT looked good especially their defense. Playing at Miami and almost winning.
That’s what they tried to talk themselves into after he was hired.
When Pry was hired out of nowhere, VT fans were pissed.
And then a few days later you saw Pry’s lead recruiter profile all over social media, as VT fans tried to convince themselves he was an elite recruiter that could dominate the Mid-Atlantic.
But he never was. He just worked for an elite recruiter.
First time HC. With first time coordinators. And meh recruiting. It’s a bad combo.
But some of that is because what Pry did this season before that. Pry set the expectations.
VT is probably, in terms of raw talent, one of the best 4 or 5 teams in the ACC. They shouldn’t have been a 17 point underdog. But for Pry and his coaching.
Miami has a lot better talent than VaTech. It's not even close, tbh. I guess Vegas forgot to take into account for Cristobal and his lousy coaching.
It’s a tough transition. The duties of a head coach are ultimately just so different than the duties of a playcaller.
Dick Lebeau figured that out. I get the pay days for HCs are a serious step up from coordinator pay, but guys like Manny Diaz would almost be better off running elite defenses at a big program for a decade+ then going through the coaching carousel every few years at mid level programs.
and? not sure what that has to do with Pry schitting the bed and not having the ability to read a clock...
Do you really think Manny Diaz wanted to live in State College and work for Franklin for a decade? Diaz and Moorhead got out from Franklin as quickly as possible. They both only stayed 2 years.
His clock management was horrible, but if we're talking big picture, VaTech is much improved from where they were in 2020-2022. I'm glad Pitt doesn't play the Hokies, because I don't think Pitt matches up very well with them.
It’s not that they don’t get credit, it’s just that it isn’t repeatable week to week due to the huge luck element involved. And so not the best way to judge the quality of a team. Some combination of down to down success rate and explosive rate are better.
Look at Bama. I’ve seen them play twice this year.
Against USF they turned the ball over 3 times. They got no turnovers.
Did the Alabama defense not play well enough to “earn” a turnover? Made no turnover forcing worthy plays? Of course they did.
Against UGA they gave up 500 yards and got 4 turnovers.
Their defense didn’t really play better against UGA than it did against USF.
Just random chance week to week.
Just play well. Turnovers either come or they don’t. Great play is what carries over.
VT is probably a top 4 or 5 most talented team in the conference.
But there’s no way you can count on them putting it together week to week to the point of being worried about playing them.
Even quarter to quarter of half to half. They just didn’t show up the first half against Vandy. And then dominated the second half.
And that has to fall on Pry.
It’s one thing if a team just doesn’t have the talent. Especially when a coach has only been there for two full recruiting classes, so hasn’t had enough time yet to fix talent shortcomings.
It’s another thing to have enough talent, but frequently fail to show up, and frequently put your team in bad spots that the talent has to overcome.
That’s how you lose to Vandy.
But there’s no way you can count on them putting it together week to week to the point of being worried about playing them.
Even quarter to quarter of half to half. They just didn’t show up the first half against Vandy. And then dominated the second half.
And that has to fall on Pry.
It’s one thing if a team just doesn’t have the talent. Especially when a coach has only been there for two full recruiting classes, so hasn’t had enough time yet to fix talent shortcomings.
It’s another thing to have enough talent, but frequently fail to show up, and frequently put your team in bad spots that the talent has to overcome.
That’s how you lose to Vandy.
Wasn’t it implied they’d do that from the time they took the job initially? It’s not like Franklin was dumbfounded by the timeline of when they left. I’m not talking about Diaz staying there either, go be the DC for Georgia for the next 15 years.
Georgia promoted their DC from within. I don't think Diaz realistically had his shot at that position. If I was given the choice between having to stick at DC at PSU under Franklin, or taking the head coach opening at Duke -- those aren't the sexiest choices, but I think I'd take the Duke opportunity, too.
Pitt isn't very good upfront on either side of the ball & VaTech has a pass rush. It's certainly a game Pitt could win. But it's also one they could easily lose.
A lot of VaTech's inconsistency is because of Drones. He's never going to be a polished passer, be he can be borderline special at times, in both the best and worst ways.
