Brian Kelly attacks his own coach.

[Darth_VadEER]

Not the video i saw.
They were both yelling , Kelly grabs both to prevent a stupid penalty in a close game.

His left arm pulls the white coach away, right hand on the black coach. Watch again. You're wrong

Nope, white coach reacts to Kelly going nuts on young black coach. Kelly only targets the young guy and forearms older white coach to access young guy.

Older white coach looks to be placing distance between ref and young coach with back arm, Kelly rushes in and targets young guy.

 

[Gary77]

Nope, white coach reacts to Kelly going nuts on young black coach. Kelly only targets the young guy and forearms older white coach to access young guy.

Older white coach looks to be placing distance between ref and young coach with back arm, Kelly rushes in and targets young guy.

I think you got it right.

By the way, are the rumors about Holgy being fired valid?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I think you got it right.

By the way, are the rumors about Holgy being fired valid?

The rumors exist. That I can validate. No clue what will happen. I think RR and WVU will talk, but that doesn't mean he will come back...but I think a discussion will occur.

 

[Gary77]

The rumors exist. That I can validate. No clue what will happen. I think RR and WVU will talk, but that doesn't mean he will come back...but I think a discussion will occur.

Thanks for the response. With all the open jobs, and with all the firing rumors, it looks to be a very busy 'coaching dominoes' off season.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Thanks for the response. With all the open jobs, and with all the firing rumors, it looks to be a very busy 'coaching dominoes' off season.

My opinion is there's too much competition for coaches this season and I'd wait on it. Give DH one more year then see who's available. Soooo many jobs opening right now. MD, VT, MIAMI, SC, USC, MINN, IL, and maybe VA, Rutgers.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Nope, white coach reacts to Kelly going nuts on young black coach. Kelly only targets the young guy and forearms older white coach to access young guy.

Older white coach looks to be placing distance between ref and young coach with back arm, Kelly rushes in and targets young guy.

So you didn't notice that Kelly pulled him away with his left arm which is on the white guys back . I suppose you are saying he forearmed him in his back
That's fine.
I have no dog jn this. Video is right there

 

[Darth_VadEER]

So you didn't notice that Kelly pulled him away with his left arm which is on the white guys back . I suppose you are saying he forearmed him in his back
That's fine.
I have no dog jn this. Video is right there

He never pulls him. He shoves him with his forearm to clear way while en route for Grimes (young black coach).

He was just bulldozing his way in.

His statements after the game have been 100% focused on Grimes. He says Grimes was going to get a 15 yard penalty, so he pushed him back from the sidelines.

 

[upj87]

He never pulls him. He shoves him with his forearm to clear way while en route for Grimes (young black coach).

He was just bulldozing his way in.

His statements after the game have been 100% focused on Grimes. He says Grimes was going to get a 15 yard penalty, so he pushed him back from the sidelines.

thanks for interjecting race into the discussion....

 

[tommika]

Yep, compared with killing a kid, this was Child's Play. If he got a way with manslaughter, pushing a coach won't move the needle. He wins, that trumps everything in college football!

Just a thought,guys. Kelly,nor any other Coach, had anything to do with the video taping of practices. That was handled by the Audio/Video class and the Professor who decided who went where and when. On the day in question he was not at practice,in fact there was no one in charge of assignments. ( Findings of N.D., plus the County, the State of Indiana and OSHA investigations).The family agreed with the investigations and N.D. was fined for safety violations and for improper maintanance of the lift mechanism.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Just a thought,guys. Kelly,nor any other Coach, had anything to do with the video taping of practices. That was handled by the Audio/Video class and the Professor who decided who went where and when. On the day in question he was not at practice,in fact there was no one in charge of assignments. ( Findings of N.D., plus the County, the State of Indiana and OSHA investigations).The family agreed with the investigations and N.D. was fined for safety violations and for improper maintanance of the lift mechanism.

Not as "clear cut" as you imply! The family received a settlement from ND. Think there may have been a clause in there to not discuss this?

From the USA Today article on citations:
The IOSHA report did not identify who was responsible for making the decision to allow student videographers to go up in the lifts that day. Torres said IOSHA typically doesn't include that in its reports.

Torres and Deputy Labor Commissioner Jeff Carter both said they didn't know whose decision that was. Carter said the IOSHA investigation focused on whether Notre Dame was at fault, not who at Notre Dame was at fault.

"The decision to play outdoors was the coaches — whether they were going to practice inside or outside, I think that was the coaches," Carter said.

Coach Brian Kelly told Marquell he decides whether to practice outside, relying "on information from my support staff."

From the Internal ND report:
The report acknowledged that Coach Brian Kelly was advised by three people about the safety of holding practice outside that day: Clad Klunder, the director of football operations; Jim Russ, the head athletic trainer; and Tim Collins, the director of football video and film. The investigation found that none advised Kelly that practice should have been held indoors because of the conditions.

 

[zonairish]

yea it seams kelly who is very competitive should not of lost his cool. I understand the anger and the reasoning, At the end of the day the only people who care are people that do not like kelly or wish they had him as their coach or people who do not like notre dame

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

In reviewing that tape, I don't know how you guys missed the most obvious and disturbing item. Simply put, Brian Van Gorder is a stone cold serial killer. Look at the tape. Look at that jacket. Look how he is completely unfazed by what is going on around him, no doubt scoping out and stalking for his next victim. Brian Van Gorder kills people. Guns don't. Van Gorder does.

 

[FreeportPanther]

yea it seams kelly who is very competitive should not of lost his cool. I understand the anger and the reasoning, At the end of the day the only people who care are people that do not like kelly or wish they had him as their coach or people who do not like notre dame[/QUOTE

"people who don't like Kelly or people who do not like notre dame"
So pretty much everyone?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Kelly went on record saying only he runs his sidelines and no one can disagree with that, but grabbing the coach and having to be stopped, also was mentioned, and like I said, it would, it did not help Kelly image, just like before when ND went Public and embarrassed him on his embarrassing behavior when he took over ND and admitted hew as wrong.

Grabbing anyone is not smart and Notre Dame is one place that will NOT tolerate bad behavior, it was not the reason why he did it, but how he did it, and had to be held back? This is what Kelly made a mistake on doing and it will put him on another short leash.

Police are on their toes these days for grabbing and stopping people, Millionaire Coaches grabbing someone won't be acceptable either even when circumstances may be needed to stop something from happening. Times have changed!

 

[vietvet1]

Kelly went on record saying only he runs his sidelines and no one can disagree with that, but grabbing the coach and having to be stopped, also was mentioned, and like is aid, it would, it did not help Kelly image, just like before when ND went Public and embarrassed him on his embarrassing behavior when he took over ND and admitted hew as wrong. Grabbing anyone is not smart and Notre Dame is one place that will tolerate bad behavior, it was not the reason why he did it, but how he did it, and had to beheld back? This is what he made mistake on doing and it will put him on another short leash.

Police are on their toes these days for grabbing and stopping people, Millionaire Coaches grabbing someone won't be acceptable either even when circumstances may be needed to stop something from happening. Times have changed!

It was nothing more and nothing less than an "enraged" attack and should not ever be tolerated under any circumstances..period!

 

[bwh05]

I get why Kelly was upset, but it wasn't a good look for him that's for sure. He went a little to far with it and nowadays with social media you can't get away with anything.

 

[tommika]

Not as "clear cut" as you imply! The family received a settlement from ND. Think there may have been a clause in there to not discuss this?

From the USA Today article on citations:
The IOSHA report did not identify who was responsible for making the decision to allow student videographers to go up in the lifts that day. Torres said IOSHA typically doesn't include that in its reports.

Torres and Deputy Labor Commissioner Jeff Carter both said they didn't know whose decision that was. Carter said the IOSHA investigation focused on whether Notre Dame was at fault, not who at Notre Dame was at fault.

"The decision to play outdoors was the coaches — whether they were going to practice inside or outside, I think that was the coaches," Carter said.

Coach Brian Kelly told Marquell he decides whether to practice outside, relying "on information from my support staff."

From the Internal ND report:
The report acknowledged that Coach Brian Kelly was advised by three people about the safety of holding practice outside that day: Clad Klunder, the director of football operations; Jim Russ, the head athletic trainer; and Tim Collins, the director of football video and film. The investigation found that none advised Kelly that practice should have been held indoors because of the conditions.

Stay with facts ,not opinions,please.
1.Kelly decides where the team practices.
2.The Audio /Visual department decides who,when and where the students go to film the practices. No one on the Athletic Department staff is involved.
3.The Sullivans did not sue N.D.
4.There was no "pay-off" to keep quiet.


The initial reaction: The athletic director was at practice that day and the new coach chose to conduct it outside, heads must roll and the Sullivan family was certain to pocket millions.

Sullivan was largely forgotten in this coverage, his story the detritus of a tragedy teased through the modern news grind. The reaction was playing out exactly as expected until the Sullivans made their feelings known in public.

They did not have the moral outrage that others mustered for them. They acknowledged that Notre Dame had made mistakes, that his death could and should have been prevented. Yet the Sullivans cheered, for Notre Dame and for its football team, even louder than before. Their daughter, Gwyneth or Wyn, as she is called, continued to attend college there. Their other son, Macartan, known as Mac, recently submitted his application.

The family will attend the national championship game in Miami, and it will do so in Sullivan’s memory, for the same reasons the family created a memorial fund and partnered with a local charity: because this is how the Sullivans choose to grieve, how they want him to be remembered.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/s...ds-to-death-by-not-pointing-fingers.html?_r=0

 

[FreeportPanther]

Stay with facts ,not opinions,please.
1.Kelly decides where the team practices.
2.The Audio /Visual department decides who,when and where the students go to film the practices. No one on the Athletic Department staff is involved.
3.The Sullivans did not sue N.D.
4.There was no "pay-off" to keep quiet.


The initial reaction: The athletic director was at practice that day and the new coach chose to conduct it outside, heads must roll and the Sullivan family was certain to pocket millions.

Sullivan was largely forgotten in this coverage, his story the detritus of a tragedy teased through the modern news grind. The reaction was playing out exactly as expected until the Sullivans made their feelings known in public.

They did not have the moral outrage that others mustered for them. They acknowledged that Notre Dame had made mistakes, that his death could and should have been prevented. Yet the Sullivans cheered, for Notre Dame and for its football team, even louder than before. Their daughter, Gwyneth or Wyn, as she is called, continued to attend college there. Their other son, Macartan, known as Mac, recently submitted his application.

The family will attend the national championship game in Miami, and it will do so in Sullivan’s memory, for the same reasons the family created a memorial fund and partnered with a local charity: because this is how the Sullivans choose to grieve, how they want him to be remembered.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/s...ds-to-death-by-not-pointing-fingers.html?_r=0

Stand corrected regarding the family and settlement.
The other information posted is factual.

 

[rpost3]

WWJD

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Again, please note, Brian VanGorder is coming to town, make sure you know where your family is.

 

[tommika]

Stand corrected regarding the family and settlement.
The other information posted is factual.

Yes it is factual but nowhere does it state that Kelly or any of the Coaching Staff were involved with Declan and the Lift in any way. Using that article to try and imply they did is poor judgement,at best.

 

[thebadby2]

What a great example for young men

Check out @edsbs's Tweet:

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Non-story of the year. Enough already.

 

[Las Panteras]

Kelly's schtick will soon wear thin with the Notre Dame brass.

They will look to replace him, and Pat Narduzzi will be the first name they call.

This whole episode...whether you think Kelly was wrong or this is a non issue.....moves Notre Dame one step closer to grabbing Narduzzi

Think of me when the s%&tcan Kelly

 

[passedout]

Hmmm ... this incident happens then a sex scandal today. Think these events may be related? Maybe some payback for Coach Kelly to have to deal with? Just speculating...

 

[pitt-girl]

David Grimes, an ND S&C coach, was about to get a fifteen yard penalty for yelling at a ref about a call.

I don't blame Kelly, Grimes was out of line.

And, you know this.....how?????? Personal friend, confidant of that official......?

 

[pitt-girl]

But then there is always this.....

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/brian-kelly-is-apopleptic/

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Kelly's schtick will soon wear thin with the Notre Dame brass.

They will look to replace him, and Pat Narduzzi will be the first name they call.

This whole episode...whether you think Kelly was wrong or this is a non issue.....moves Notre Dame one step closer to grabbing Narduzzi

Think of me when the s%&tcan Kelly

You are spot on in part. When I went to ND Games and met and sat with some High Up Boosters and Priest, they told me ND does not keep a Coach that could break Leahy Records.

No Question ND noticed that outburst and one has to suspect that kind of personality has them at ND more concern often than not too. I don't know for sure right now, but I will find out from some people that find out? If Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight finally were let go by Programs that adored them, and the days of grabbing or yelling and they treat others are over as seen by Groh, Leach, and Mangino even over winning now!
I am still thinking it will be hard to hire away Narduzzi unless he he treated badly at Pitt and I can't see that happening by Gallagher or Barnes. I don't think he would go to ND or MSU if he builds his own Top 25 Program at Pitt. I think he is very loyal, special, and wanted to be at Pitt all his life. I hang at Youngstown often and Cleveland, there is more in common with Pittsburgh than Columbus, Cincy, Toledo, and Dayton! Many Steeler and Pitt Fans in Youngstown and come from Steel Roots more in common with Lawrence, Beaver, Mercer, and Erie Counties!

When you take a big Program job like OSU, Michigan, and ND the pressures are enormous just look at Bruce Earle, John Cooper, Gary Moeller, CoachRod, Brady Hoke, Dan Devine, Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis? They all came and went over 3 to 5 to 10 years and every game is important especially games against Historical Rivals!

Maybe I am thinking too much of Coach Pat Narduzzi Character but I have not seen a man so excited to get the Pitt job than Johnny Majors and Jackie Sherrill and both of them did their jobs to move on elsewhere, and both say the biggest mistake they made was leaving?

Consequently, I don't see that in Narduzzi! He is truly waited, wanted and was excited to come to Pitt and Jim Tressel said, I Think Pitt Has Finally Found A Coach That Will Be At Pitt A Long Time!

 

[pitt-girl]

You are spot on in part. When I went to ND Games and met and sat with some High Up Boosters and Priest, they told me ND does not keep a Coach that could break Leahy Records.

No Question ND noticed that outburst and one has to suspect that kind of personality has them at ND more often than not too. I don't know for sure right now, but i will find out from some people that find out?

I am still thinking it will be hard to hire away Narduzzi unless he he treated badly at Pitt and I can't see that happening by Gallagher or Barnes. I don't think he would go to ND or MSU if he builds his own Top 25 Program at Pitt. I think he is very loyal, special, and wanted to be at Pitt all his life. I hang at Youngstown often and Cleveland, there is more in common with Pittsburgh than Columbus, Cincy, Toledo, and Dayton! Many Steeler and Pitt Fans in Youngstown and come from Steel Roots more in common with Lawrence, Beaver, Mercer, and Erie Counties!

When you take a big Program job like OSU, Michigan, and ND the pressures are enormous just look at Bruce Earle, John Cooper, Gary Moeller, CoachRod, Brady Hoke, Dan Devine, Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis? They all came and went over 3 to 5 to 10 years and every game is important especially games against Historical Rivals!

Maybe I am thinking too much of Coach Pat Narduzzi Character but I have not seen a man so excited to get the Pitt job than Johnny Majors and Jackie Sherrill and both of them did their jobs to move on elsewhere, and both say the biggest mistake they made was leaving?

Consequently, I don't see that in Narduzzi! He is truly waited, wanted and was excited to come to Pitt and Jim Tressel said, I Think Pitt Has Finally Found A Coach That Will Be At Pitt A Long Time!

I do too, but Narduzzi IS Catholic......

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

I do too, but Narduzzi IS Catholic......

 

[Las Panteras]

You are spot on in part. When I went to ND Games and met and sat with some High Up Boosters and Priest, they told me ND does not keep a Coach that could break Leahy Records.

No Question ND noticed that outburst and one has to suspect that kind of personality has them at ND more concern often than not too. I don't know for sure right now, but I will find out from some people that find out? If Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight finally were let go by Programs that adored them, and the days of grabbing or yelling and they treat others are over as seen by Groh, Leach, and Mangino even over winning now!
I am still thinking it will be hard to hire away Narduzzi unless he he treated badly at Pitt and I can't see that happening by Gallagher or Barnes. I don't think he would go to ND or MSU if he builds his own Top 25 Program at Pitt. I think he is very loyal, special, and wanted to be at Pitt all his life. I hang at Youngstown often and Cleveland, there is more in common with Pittsburgh than Columbus, Cincy, Toledo, and Dayton! Many Steeler and Pitt Fans in Youngstown and come from Steel Roots more in common with Lawrence, Beaver, Mercer, and Erie Counties!

When you take a big Program job like OSU, Michigan, and ND the pressures are enormous just look at Bruce Earle, John Cooper, Gary Moeller, CoachRod, Brady Hoke, Dan Devine, Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis? They all came and went over 3 to 5 to 10 years and every game is important especially games against Historical Rivals!

Maybe I am thinking too much of Coach Pat Narduzzi Character but I have not seen a man so excited to get the Pitt job than Johnny Majors and Jackie Sherrill and both of them did their jobs to move on elsewhere, and both say the biggest mistake they made was leaving?

Consequently, I don't see that in Narduzzi! He is truly waited, wanted and was excited to come to Pitt and Jim Tressel said, I Think Pitt Has Finally Found A Coach That Will Be At Pitt A Long Time!

Capt.....I will respectfully disagree with one part of your post.

Narduzzi is a competitor. You dont get to his position without that. The challenge of running the most storied name in CFB will far outweigh the urge to stay here.

Narduzzi will be at Notre Dame within 4 years.

 

[thebadby2]

Kelly's schtick will soon wear thin with the Notre Dame brass.

They will look to replace him, and Pat Narduzzi will be the first name they call.

This whole episode...whether you think Kelly was wrong or this is a non issue.....moves Notre Dame one step closer to grabbing Narduzzi

Think of me when the s%&tcan Kelly

As long as Kelly keeps winning and keeps ND in the playoff conversation most years he's going nowhere. As for Narduzzi, he has half a season as a HC under his belt and you have him going to ND. Think about that one for a minute....

 

[Pittx9]

Non-story of the year. Enough already.

Agree. However, we have whimps on here saying Narduzzi crossed the line when he did nothing that even toed the lines of inappropriate. Probably the same people that wanted Chryst to yell and scream and get in kid's faces when they messed up.

 

[zonairish]

//this is a dumb thread. Have you ever seen arguments between coach's ? this will pass

 

[NTOP]

Capt.....I will respectfully disagree with one part of your post.

Narduzzi is a competitor. You dont get to his position without that. The challenge of running the most storied name in CFB will far outweigh the urge to stay here.

Narduzzi will be at Notre Dame within 4 years.

That's just plain idiotic.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

As predicted.....Kelly did apologize and it became an incidence, and Kelly did nip this incidence in the bud to remove it from the Headlines ASAP as also predicted, but it is another strike on his behavior and safe to say, Notre dame won't tolerate much more should he lose control again, even if he felt he was right, he still had to apologize, and others opinions are fine, but it happen as predicted:

LINK:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...rets-sideline-altercation-with-with-assistant

Brian Kelly says he regrets sideline altercation with assistant

Kelly explained that the altercation took place because he was afraid of Grimes getting too close to the official would cost the Irish a 15-yard penalty.

"David was gonna get us a 15-yard penalty, and so I had to control the sideline," Kelly explained, per Irish247. "I wasn't going to let that happen. He got a little to close and I backed him up out of the way to make sure we didn't get a 15-yard penalty."

On Tuesday, Kelly was more remorseful about the incident when speaking to reporters. He still explained that controlling the sidelines is his responsibility, but that he regretted the incident.

"I'm responsible for the sideline," Kelly said Tuesday, via CSN Chicago. "Our sideline was not where it needed to be. There were some things going on on the sideline that were unacceptable. It falls on my shoulders. If we were to get a penalty in that time of the game, it would have fell on me as being somebody that can't control the sideline.

"I wish the situation never occurred," Kelly continued. "I regret that it happened. David and I have met. We have met about the situation. We've moved past it. David is a valuable employee. He is a guy that does a great job here. He'll be with us a long time."

This isn't the first time Kelly's temper has gotten the best of him during a game, and while it's nice to say he regrets this altercation happening, we'll have to see if he tries handling these types of situations differently in the future.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Capt.....I will respectfully disagree with one part of your post.

Narduzzi is a competitor. You dont get to his position without that. The challenge of running the most storied name in CFB will far outweigh the urge to stay here.

Narduzzi will be at Notre Dame within 4 years.

Well, Narduzzi better win those 3 of 4 last Pitt Games or he will have a tougher time recruiting this year and that catches up to any Coach?

I respectfully disagree and have nothing factual to say otherwise, it is just my opinion.....Coach Pat had his Heart set on Pitt a long time, waited, and wanted it when he got his chance he has embraced it. He turned other Programs down but jumped for the Pitt job?

Furthermore, Coach Pat in my view is a Disciple of Mark Dantonio that took on the challenge at MSU to beat Michigan's Big Program in Football with far more advantages. The only Program Dantonio is leaving MSU for is Ohio State where he grew up near and loved being the there?

Consequently, I believe Coach Pat is committed to the same at Pitt to take on Franklin at Penn State that has the Big Program and won't leave as he rebuilds Pitt Football Program.

I say so because, you can see it in Coach Pat Narduzzi Eyes, when he is coaching his Players and it is clear as a bell, he loves coaching his players, and that is more rare than many know.

It is not a job to him, it is a passion, and he is not at Pitt just to go to another Program. Again, Just a Hunch!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

//this is a dumb thread. Have you ever seen arguments between coach's ? this will pass

Well, Facts Disagree With You Opinion:
1. The Thread has 75 Responses and over 2,345 Views!

2. Kelly did respond and apologized so it would pass but it came up without being ignored!!

3. It was noted at the end of the Article Kelly has had problems before and will have to watch in the future!!!

4. You responded to the thread!!!!

5. One of the Dumbest Responses on the Thread that said nothing as well!!!!

So if it was so dumb why even respond being dumber?

 

[domerlover]

A decision Kelly made cost a kid his life. Cant believe Kelly made it out if that unscathed. His decision to have that kid film practice in a tornado or whatever is almost as bad as the PSU boy rape coverup.

Wow. You Notre Dame haters really do go overboard with the "Brian Kelly KILLED a kid" deal. It was a terrible tragedy, pathetic that so many of you use it as ammo in your I HATE NOTRE DAME agenda.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Wow. You Notre Dame haters really do go overboard with the "Brian Kelly KILLED a kid" deal. It was a terrible tragedy, pathetic that so many of you use it as ammo in your I HATE NOTRE DAME agenda.

Notre Dame is and always will be a Historical Beacon, Innovator, and Path Maker to what is great about College Football. It was Michigan Yost, Pitt's Pop Warner, and Notre Dame's Knute Rockne along with a number of other Coaches that created the Modern Game of Football we know and play today!

Throw in Leahy and other Great ND Coaches and The University of Notre Dame is a bastion of Excellence in Academics and Athletics today as they a;ways have been yesterday as well!

I love going to South Bend and I love Pitt playing Notre Dame because win or lose they have classy fans, students, and it is an Honor & Privilege to play ND!

Looking forward to playing The Fighting Irish in Saturday!

 

[Pipeline1]

Yep, compared with killing a kid, this was Child's Play. If he got a way with manslaughter, pushing a coach won't move the needle. He wins, that trumps everything in college football!

Hope. The student was working for the Audio/Visual dept., not for Kelly or the Athletic Dept. BK was not responsible. Thorough investigation. BK not implicated. Parents did not sue. Think about that, before you spread untruths...