Burrow or Lawrence

[pittbb80]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

 

[LivinWell]

Can’t go wrong with either in my opinion. Lots of good QBs coming to the NFL in the next two years.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

I would take Lawrence. He is 3 years younger. Lawrence showed a lot of intangibles to me the last couple years, and is still growing into his body. They both have the potential to be stars in the NFL.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Burrow had two throws today that would have been picks in the NFL, one a pick 6, but his other throws were crazy accurate. I think I'd take him.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

I would take Lawrence. He is 3 years younger. Lawrence showed a lot of intangibles to me the last couple years, and is still growing into his body. They both have the potential to be stars in the NFL.

23 and 20 years of age... Lawrence is carrying Clemson today and maybe a higher ceiling..

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I like Burrow - he’s pretty accurate and has made some pro throws in the games I saw. But I’d take Lawrence because of his arm strength. Margin of error in the pros is razor thin and his ball getting there quicker makes it not all that close for me.

 

[Pitt-Chains]

I like Burrow - he’s pretty accurate and has made some pro throws in the games I saw. But I’d take Lawrence because of his arm strength. Margin of error in the pros is razor thin and his ball getting there quicker makes it not all that close for me.

Watching Burrow appears slow motion... to him.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I’m excited for Tyler Boyd. He might be due for a breakout season within a few years with Burrow at QB.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

Burrow!

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

Given your past prognostications on Pitt games, Pirates seasons etc, this post doesn’t bode well for young Joe’s NFL fortunes.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Lawrence has ice water in his veins. The guy is 20 years old. He is only going to get bigger, stronger, and faster.

 

[MrPups]

Watching Lamar Jackson redefine the QB role in the NFL I'd prefer a multidimensional QB like Lawrence who has the 6'6" frame to take pro hits.

 

[BFo8]

Lawrence by far for me. I see Burrow as having great accuracy but is more of a system guy and I don’t see him being anything more than an average NFL QB.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Lawrence by far for me. I see Burrow as having great accuracy but is more of a system guy and I don’t see him being anything more than an average NFL QB.

If Lawrence stays healthy, then he will be a HOF QB.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

LSU may win the game but Lawrence is better by a mile. Lawrence is a potential HOF QB. Reminds me a ton of Roethlisberger. Burrow is a good QB but nothing really special. He's the perfect Bengals QB. I see him as being very similar to Andy Dalton.

 

[Safety Blitz]

Burrow if you need to win now to keep your job.
Lawrence if your owner can be patient for a couple/three seasons.

 

[HailToPitt725]

I think both will be good. From an NFL perspective, I don’t think this is a huge debate since they’re in different draft classes.

My prediction for the top three QBs the next three drafts,

2020: Joe Burrow
2021: Trevor Lawrence
2022: Kedon Slovis

I really like Slovis. Looked sharp for USC as a true freshman and had good mechanics, probably coming from having Kurt Warner as a high school QB coach. Interested to see how he develops the next three years.

 

[pittbb80]

I think some underestimate Burrows athleticism. I’m not sure there’s a bug difference in their speed or quickness. Burrow is also only 2 inches shorter than Lawrence at 6 4.

Granted he’s playing with a ton of talent but Lawrence isn’t playing with chopped liver either.

what I find impressive about burrow is his calmness in the pocket and ability to feel and side step pressure while keeping his eyes down field. He has Brady like qualities

the reality is it’s a crap shoot in projecting success at the NFL level lots of People get too enamored with physical tools when it’s the intangibles that usually determine success at the NFL level

I will say that Lawrence performance last night was impressive in how he almost willed the team to a win. The kid is a winner for sure

 

[Jeffburgh]

I think Burrows translates to the NFL. Just a traditional QB, solid, not freak athletic ability for the postion, real good head for the game and moxie.

He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland.

Lawrence is bigger than life physically and just a winner. Puts you to mind of Big Ben, but a better runner.

Like Ben will win games while probably nit being a super prolific passer earlier in his career, but refine himself as a QB as he matures.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Both are great QB's. But I'd take Burrow in a heartbeat over Lawrence if both were on the board and I were drafting a QB. The best accuracy and field presence in a QB since who knows when and he's mobile and smart. He's Tom Brady with athleticism. But Lawrence is a close second. Both are better as entering QB's to the NFL than most QB's now in the NFL were when they entered. Maybe better than all of them.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

I would take Lawrence. Burrow could have solved a crossword puzzle before the rush got to him!

 

[ameoba defense]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

Cincy will be a legit contender when Mike Brown sells the team. Worst owner in sports, and that includes Daniel Snyder, and Bob Nutting.

 

[happjack]

I think Burrows translates to the NFL. Just a traditional QB, solid, not freak athletic ability for the postion, real good head for the game and moxie.

He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland.

Unless he pulls a John Elway or Eli Manning he’s going to end up on the Bengals.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

At one time Cincy had the Browns and Schott as their pro sports owners. Schott once said that Hitler was a smart man but just "went too far"!

Cincy will be a legit contender when Mike Brown sells the team. Worst owner in sports, and that includes Daniel Snyder, and Bob Nutting.

 

[anon_d97v9o3a8b6xr]

LSU may win the game but Lawrence is better by a mile. Lawrence is a potential HOF QB. Reminds me a ton of Roethlisberger. Burrow is a good QB but nothing really special. He's the perfect Bengals QB. I see him as being very similar to Andy Dalton.

Lawrence probably runs the 40 10 seconds faster the Fat Ben. But if he can sling it like Ben and have the composure like a Ben, he will be good. Lawrence will be as good as his offensive line allows him in the nfl. You get him protection he can be deadly.

 

[NCanton Panther]

I think Burrows translates to the NFL. Just a traditional QB, solid, not freak athletic ability for the postion, real good head for the game and moxie.

He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland.

Lawrence is bigger than life physically and just a winner. Puts you to mind of Big Ben, but a better runner.

Like Ben will win games while probably nit being a super prolific passer earlier in his career, but refine himself as a QB as he matures.

Hard to tell what your stance is on Burrows. You give a like to an SMF post calling Burrows nothing special and say he can be real good here.

in any case, I think SMF and you are both underestimating Burrows. Time will tell.

 

[Burgh15]

Burrow is so calm in the pocket. Seems to do everything well. I agree with the post above that there were several INT balls in the NFL against better DBs. Still, his ball placement is very good. However, I was annoyed after the game when he downplayed his performance. There’s being humble and then sounding fake underselling yourself.

Lawrence is a different animal. Unreal size and moves well being that tall. Doesn’t throw as pure of a ball, but comes up big in big moments. Loved him being a leader in the sidelines. He does feel like he’ll have to go to a team that won’t screw him up. Not sure his talent trumps incompetent management.

 

[anon_d97v9o3a8b6xr]

Burrow is so calm in the pocket. Seems to do everything well. I agree with the post above that there were several INT balls in the NFL against better DBs. Still, his ball placement is very good. However, I was annoyed after the game when he downplayed his performance. There’s being humble and then sounding fake underselling yourself.

Lawrence is a different animal. Unreal size and moves well being that tall. Doesn’t throw as pure of a ball, but comes up big in big moments. Loved him being a leader in the sidelines. He does feel like he’ll have to go to a team that won’t screw him up. Not sure his talent trumps incompetent management.

Burrows may have downplayed his performance because he also learned of the coaches daughter in law passing away. A reporter apparently asked him about it after the game and that was the first he had heard. Is Offensiver coordinator didn’t tell anyone as many had heard but not burrows. At least it was reported he didn’t find out until the reporter asked him.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Burrow performance today sold me on him. He had the pocket presence , field vision and accuracy of a Tom Brady.

The question is hypothetically if you had the chance to pick him or Lawrence who do you take. Lawrence is the superior physical specimen but I think Burrow has more intangibles that make a difference at QB

Cinci will be a legit contender with this kid

Love them both but if I had to pick one it would be lawrence.

 

[Jeffburgh]

Hard to tell what your stance is on Burrows. You give a like to an SMF post calling Burrows nothing special and say he can be real good here.

in any case, I think SMF and you are both underestimating Burrows. Time will tell.

Did you actually read what I posted?

"He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland."

 

[NCanton Panther]

Did you actually read what I posted?

"He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland."

Yep read it.

 

[Burgh15]

Burrows may have downplayed his performance because he also learned of the coaches daughter in law passing away. A reporter apparently asked him about it after the game and that was the first he had heard. Is Offensiver coordinator didn’t tell anyone as many had heard but not burrows. At least it was reported he didn’t find out until the reporter asked him.

Not at all.

“To be honest, it wasn’t my sharpest game. This guy (Justin Jefferson) was bailing me out on throws that I missed. Guys like Terrace (Marshall Jr.) and Ja’Marr (Chase) were bailing me out on some missed reads and being late with the football. I’m excited to get back to practice and tune some of those things up. That’s the kind of team we have. If someone doesn’t have their best game, the other guys step up.”

 

[pittbb80]

I think Burrows translates to the NFL. Just a traditional QB, solid, not freak athletic ability for the postion, real good head for the game and moxie.

He should be a real good qb if he does not land with a historically bad franchise like Detroit ir Cleveland.

Lawrence is bigger than life physically and just a winner. Puts you to mind of Big Ben, but a better runner.

Like Ben will win games while probably nit being a super prolific passer earlier in his career, but refine himself as a QB as he matures.

great description

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Do not see the Lawerence - Big Ben comparisons at all. Outside of height, the do not compare.

Trevor has Marino's release but has Elway's arm.

Mechanically speaking, Ben has always been below average. Lazy footwork being the highlight. Lawerence is textbook.

 

[anon_d97v9o3a8b6xr]

Not at all.

“To be honest, it wasn’t my sharpest game. This guy (Justin Jefferson) was bailing me out on throws that I missed. Guys like Terrace (Marshall Jr.) and Ja’Marr (Chase) were bailing me out on some missed reads and being late with the football. I’m excited to get back to practice and tune some of those things up. That’s the kind of team we have. If someone doesn’t have their best game, the other guys step up.”

Sounds like a perfect self assessment. He did get bailed out on some of those throws. This guy is awesome as a player and a person.

 

[BFo8]

I think both will be good. From an NFL perspective, I don’t think this is a huge debate since they’re in different draft classes.

My prediction for the top three QBs the next three drafts,

2020: Joe Burrow
2021: Trevor Lawrence
2022: Kedon Slovis

I really like Slovis. Looked sharp for USC as a true freshman and had good mechanics, probably coming from having Kurt Warner as a high school QB coach. Interested to see how he develops the next three years.

We are in total opposite corners on Slovis. Not only don’t I see him as being a star, I expect him to lose the starting QB competition to JT Daniels next year.

 

[PittFamily2]

Burrow today, Lawrence tomorrow when he grows up and will be really good!

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Lawrence will be as good as his offensive line allows him in the nfl.

Isn't that pretty much the case with any good quarterback? A good quarterback in the NFL with a bad offensive line is a loser. A good quarterback with a good offensive line is a superstar.

 

[HailToPitt725]

We are in total opposite corners on Slovis. Not only don’t I see him as being a star, I expect him to lose the starting QB competition to JT Daniels next year.

That’s fair. Personally, I’m not as high on Daniels because, while he does seem to have a big arm, he seemed a little inconsistent in the games I saw him play in 2018. Perhaps that was a product of the team around him, who lost a lot from the year before and finished 5-7.

Obviously the talent is there since he was a 5* prospect coming out of high school. Should make for a fun QB competition. The decision might be what makes or breaks Clay Helton’s career at USC.

 

[BFo8]

That’s fair. Personally, I’m not as high on Daniels because, while he does seem to have a big arm, he seemed a little inconsistent in the games I saw him play in 2018. Perhaps that was a product of the team around him, who lost a lot from the year before and finished 5-7.

Obviously the talent is there since he was a 5* prospect coming out of high school. Should make for a fun QB competition. The decision might be what makes or breaks Clay Helton’s career at USC.

It’s not like I have any real inside information, but I do know a couple of USC donors that are very concerned about the direction of the program. Both are of the opinion that the school president is not a fan of football and is unhappy with the emphasis placed on the sport. You kind of saw this reflected in her dismissal of any interest in Urban Meyer and the retaining of Clay Helton, who literally no one thinks is a good coach.

There were rumors even Helton was convinced he was gone and didn’t put the same type of effort into recruiting this cycle, which is certainly reflected in the rankings. I don’t see good things in the immediate future for USC.