CBS hyping Trask for Heisman

[TD_6082]

Of course CBS broadcasts SEC games, so that isn't too surprising. But the crew on there today act like Trask is the clear frontrunner. I don't know if that's the case. Trask is a great college QB, but more of a system guy. Trevor Lawerence is clearly the best player in college football.

Speaking of superiority, Gary Danielson is so much better than Aaron Murray in the booth. Not that Aaron is bad, just that Gary is really good.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

According to the betting odds Trask is the favorite right now. By a rather large amount. The only other guy even close is Mac Jones. Lawrence is a very distant third. Then Justin Fields and Zach Wilson.

 

[HailToPitt725]

How is Trask projected as an NFL prospect? I know Lawrence and Fields are supposed to be 1-2 and BYU’s Wilson has been getting some love, but I have no idea where they have Trask at.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

This season needs a LARGE ****

 

[Burgh15]

How is Trask projected as an NFL prospect? I know Lawrence and Fields are supposed to be 1-2 and BYU’s Wilson has been getting some love, but I have no idea where they have Trask at.

Trask ranks in the 4-5 range. Probably has a solid second round grade but could very easily get selected in the first round.

 

[TD_6082]

There is still a lot of football to be played. I think Trevor has a great opportunity to put a stamp on his campaign vs Notre Dame.

Too much regional bias, imo. Aaron Murray is half-jokingly giving Trask a tounge bath now over a pooch punt. He did execute it flawlessly, fwiw.

 

[BFo8]

According to the betting odds Trask is the favorite right now. By a rather large amount. The only other guy even close is Mac Jones. Lawrence is a very distant third. Then Justin Fields and Zach Wilson.

The places I’ve seen around town all have Trask as the odds on favorite, some higher than -200. As you said Jones is the only other guy even close right now.

 

[BFo8]

How is Trask projected as an NFL prospect? I know Lawrence and Fields are supposed to be 1-2 and BYU’s Wilson has been getting some love, but I have no idea where they have Trask at.

Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, and Trey Lance are all going to go really high. Depending on how the draft order goes all 4 of them could end up in the top 10.

I personally don’t see either Trask or Mac Jones as first round talents, but who knows? Teams are always desperate for a franchise QB, so I wouldn’t be shocked to see either or both of those guys slip into the 1st round late.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, and Trey Lance are all going to go really high. Depending on how the draft order goes all 4 of them could end up in the top 10.

I personally don’t see either Trask or Mac Jones as first round talents, but who knows? Teams are always desperate for a franchise QB, so I wouldn’t be shocked to see either or both of those guys slip into the 1st round late.

Personally, I wouldn’t want the Steelers to take a QB this draft.

Not only because they’re in win-now mode (and I like USC’s Kedon Slovis in the 2022 draft), but I can’t imagine GMs would feel great about taking a QB like Trey Lance, who only played one game this fall, or others that emerged just this year.

 

[TD_6082]

One observation from the Florida game... I thought the blue helmets the Gators wore tonight looked outstanding. A blue alt helmet with gold script Pitt would look a whole lot better. That's an obvious great look. I don't see why we haven't seen that happen.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

One observation from the Florida game... I thought the blue helmets the Gators wore tonight looked outstanding. A blue alt helmet with gold script Pitt would look a whole lot better. That's an obvious great look. I don't see why we haven't seen that happen.

Yeah. This. Looked like matte blue. Pitt should do the sane with their game royal shade.

 

[Pantherguy4]

Wilson probably lost ground DUE to the Brigham Young loss.

 

[Bethlehemjohn]

Trask has a weak arm and I'd pick a few guys over him for Heisman.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Personally, I wouldn’t want the Steelers to take a QB this draft.

Not only because they’re in win-now mode (and I like USC’s Kedon Slovis in the 2022 draft), but I can’t imagine GMs would feel great about taking a QB like Trey Lance, who only played one game this fall, or others that emerged just this year.

Slovis is probably going to be a Top 5 pick, so the Steelers will have no shot at him.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Slovis is probably going to be a Top 5 pick, so the Steelers will have no shot at him.

Wouldn’t be the first time they traded up for a USC product.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Wouldn’t be the first time they traded up for a USC product.

Big difference between trading up to the #16 pick and the top 5.

 

[BFo8]

Slovis is probably going to be a Top 5 pick, so the Steelers will have no shot at him.

I saw one mock draft that had Howell going #1 and Slovis going #2 overall in the 2022 draft.

Also saw Rattler and Jayden Daniels as first round picks in that draft, no Phil Jurkovec though.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

I saw one mock draft that had Howell going #1 and Slovis going #2 overall in the 2022 draft.

Also saw Rattler and Jayden Daniels as first round picks in that draft, no Phil Jurkovec though.

It must have been a misprint. Jurkovec is clearly the #1 overall pick.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Big difference between trading up to the #16 pick and the top 5.

Very true. But with the mad man that Colbert has suddenly become recently, you never know. A man can dream. Then again, I’ll trust however they decide to move forward in the post-Big Ben era.

 

[BFo8]

It must have been a misprint. Jurkovec is clearly the #1 overall pick.

For not the first time today I am in the wrong again.

Funny thing is I never meant to down the guy. I haven’t lived in Pittsburgh for almost 20 years and unless it’s someone from Penn Hills I have no emotional attachment at all. It was just strange how some people on here were so adamant he was the greatest thing since sliced bread without him being all that good on the field. Almost borderline creepy.

 

[pbrad]

Heisman has nothing to do with ability to play in the NFL or draft status. Right now Trask is playing better than any other QB with Jones close behind. Lawrence will be a better pro, as long as the Jets don't get him crushed like the Bengals did to last years #1 pick.

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

I know that Ian Book isn’t on the same level as the top QB group but watching more of ND because of the ACC this year and I’ve been impressed. He avoids the rush, can pull it down and run, doesn’t make bad decisions throwing the ball and has a lot of experience in a winning program. A bit like Fromm last year. I think he can be a solid NFL QB. Some team will get good value if he’s there in rounds 4-6.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

I know that Ian Book isn’t on the same level as the top QB group but watching more of ND because of the ACC this year and I’ve been impressed. He avoids the rush, can pull it down and run, doesn’t make bad decisions throwing the ball and has a lot of experience in a winning program. A bit like Fromm last year. I think he can be a solid NFL QB. Some team will get good value if he’s there in rounds 4-6.

The media usually overhypes ND QB’s. Book is being underrated by the media. He is valuable to their success.

 

[TD_6082]

Book is MUCH improved over last year. Heck, he's much improved since the start of this season.

They can hype up Trask and Jones all they want, and I get that Trevor Lawrence sat for 2 games. So it is what it is. I don't know exactly what to make of it, but Clemson lost to ND and barely escaped BC while Lawrence was out, but their backup put up really good numbers.

 

[TD_6082]

Trask has a weak arm and I'd pick a few guys over him for Heisman.

Agree. Arm strength isn't his strength. When he has guy open, short to medium range, he throws a nice catchable ball though.

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

One big thing Book has done to help his team is not turn it over. He only has 2 ints. The one against Cuse it looked like he got popped as he threw. His athleticism is a plus and I can see a team like Seattle or Baltimore that already has an athletic QB, taking him. Not saying he is on the level of Wilson or Jackson, but he gives them the ability to run some of the same stuff.

 

[HopeandChangeforAntoons]

Agree. Arm strength isn't strength. When he has guy open, short to medium range, he throws a nice catchable ball though.

Yeah I don’t see lack of arm strength watching him play in that offense. He gets it where he needs it to be. Part of that is good anticipation and trusting his receiver to get it. If he lands with the right team Trask could be a steal in round 2.

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

Wilson probably lost ground DUE to the Brigham Young loss.

As he should. Probably BYU's only legit Top 25 opponent, an opponent they would finish something like 7-4 if playing Pitt's 2020 slate... He wasn't impressive... At all. Pickett would have Heisman numbers too if he played a Navy team that didn't practice tackling then essentially played a bunch of Austin Peay type opponents. A lot of QBs would honestly...

 

[JohnnyGossamer]

I know that Ian Book isn’t on the same level as the top QB group but watching more of ND because of the ACC this year and I’ve been impressed. He avoids the rush, can pull it down and run, doesn’t make bad decisions throwing the ball and has a lot of experience in a winning program. A bit like Fromm last year. I think he can be a solid NFL QB. Some team will get good value if he’s there in rounds 4-6.

He has been impressive. Better than I expected.

 

[TD_6082]

Yeah I don’t see lack of arm strength watching him play in that offense. He gets it where he needs it to be. Part of that is good anticipation and trusting his receiver to get it. If he lands with the right team Trask could be a steal in round 2.

That's the key. If Florida's offense, his arm strength is fine. He has great anticipation. Scary good at times for that offense.

I don't know how that would translate to the NFL. I'm not sold on his arm strength. I think many of his throws would need a lot more velocity in the League than what he gets away with in college.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I still will go to my grave believing that Brett Musberger personally got Tim Brown the Heisman in 1987. Brown actually had a much better year in 1986. Either McPherson from Syracuse, Thurman Thomas, Ironhead or Lorenzo White of Mich State had better years.

 

[thebadby2]

There is still a lot of football to be played. I think Trevor has a great opportunity to put a stamp on his campaign vs Notre Dame.

Too much regional bias, imo. Aaron Murray is half-jokingly giving Trask a tounge bath now over a pooch punt. He did execute it flawlessly, fwiw.

I think Trevor has a great opportunity to put a stamp on his campaign vs Notre Dame.

Or maybe he looks like a normal human as he did at VT Saturday against a weak defense, and the Irish knock Clemson out of the CFP picture. I wouldn't rule that out.

Except when ESPN decided to test how much influence it could exert on the Heisman and put on a year long dedicated marketing campaign for Charles Woodson, the Heisman has almost always been a numbers game, and Trask is putting up unbelievable numbers for a SEC team that's having a great year. Mac Jones is right there with him and has a QB rating of 210, which is crazy and beyond even Joe Burrow level stuff.

Lawrence will be the first player taken in the draft and is the most can't miss, NFL-ready QB I can remember seeing since maybe Peyton Manning (who did not win the Heisman despite being the best player in college football for 2 straight years), but his numbers aren't in the Trask-Jones zone.

 

[TD_6082]

I think Trevor has a great opportunity to put a stamp on his campaign vs Notre Dame.

Or maybe he looks like a normal human as he did at VT Saturday against a weak defense, and the Irish knock Clemson out of the CFP picture. I wouldn't rule that out.

Except when ESPN decided to test how much influence it could exert on the Heisman and put on a year long dedicated marketing campaign for Charles Woodson, the Heisman has almost always been a numbers game, and Trask is putting up unbelievable numbers for a SEC team that's having a great year. Mac Jones is right there with him and has a QB rating of 210, which is crazy and beyond even Joe Burrow level stuff.

Lawrence will be the first player taken in the draft and is the most can't miss, NFL-ready QB I can remember seeing since maybe Peyton Manning (who did not win the Heisman despite being the best player in college football for 2 straight years), but his numbers aren't in the Trask-Jones zone.

Lawrence missed two games. Most Clemson games aren't competitive, so I don't even know how long he's in the game. And when he is, he probably isn't throwing it around that much.

As for the Woodson thing, the whole idea of a player other than a QB, RB, or WR winning the Heisman started to gain some traction the year before with Orlando Pace. I know Tennessee fans like to bitch about ESPN winning the Heisman for Woodson, but that all seems like sour grapes to me. Woodson was a fantastic player. His team won a Natty and he had a great game in Michigan's biggest game of the season versus Ohio State. So Tennessee fans can cry about an ESPN conspiracy all they want, but the fact remains, the door opened up for Woodson because Peyton threw 4 INTs in Tennessee's game at Florida in which the Vols lost, one of which was returned for a TD.

Peyton threw 4 INTs the year before too, as Florida jumped out to a 35-0 lead. They pretty much called off the dogs and ran clock in the second half. Manning put up a lot of meaningless yards in the second half, but he was brutally awful when it mattered in that game.

 

[TD_6082]

As for the SEC Championship game. I think Bama will win easily.

 

[thebadby2]

Lawrence missed two games. Most Clemson games aren't competitive, so I don't even know how long he's in the game. And when he is, he probably isn't throwing it around that much.

As for the Woodson thing, the whole idea of a player other than a QB, RB, or WR winning the Heisman started to gain some traction the year before with Orlando Pace. I know Tennessee fans like to bitch about ESPN winning the Heisman for Woodson, but that all seems like sour grapes to me. Woodson was a fantastic player. His team won a Natty and he had a great game in Michigan's biggest game of the season versus Ohio State. So Tennessee fans can cry about an ESPN conspiracy all they want, but the fact remains, the door opened up for Woodson because Peyton threw 4 INTs in Tennessee's game at Florida in which the Vols lost, one of which was returned for a TD.

Peyton threw 4 INTs the year before too, as Florida jumped out to a 35-0 lead. They pretty much called off the dogs and ran clock in the second half. Manning put up a lot of meaningless yards in the second half, but he was brutally awful when it mattered in that game.

Woodson as one of the all-time elite college DBs, but the only reason anyone even mentioned him for the Heisman was because he played some offense as well.

His contributions on the offensive side were grossly overblown. 11 games, 11 catches for 230 yards and 2 TDs, 3 carries for 15 yards and 1 TD. One punt return for a TD. The couple of splash plays against OSU in front of the whole viewing world skewed the voting for sure.

Great player, just didn't deserve the Heisman. It was an experiment by ESPN-let's see if we have enough reach to get a defensive player the trophy--and it worked. There have been many great college football players, but none have ever been hyped the way ESPN blatantly and relentlessly hyped Woodson in 1997. And for the record, I'm no Tennessee fan, not even close.

 

[thebadby2]

As for the SEC Championship game. I think Bama will win easily.

I think Bama will also win the NC game.

 

[TD_6082]

I think Bama will also win the NC game.

Bama or Clemson. I don't think Florida could hang with either team.

 

[thebadby2]

Bama or Clemson. I don't think Florida could hang with either team.

I don’t either, but I certainly think Ohio State can and will. And the Clemson ND rematch should be interesting.