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** I will start by keeping this simple. Congrats to our Panther players! They haven’t quit, and they are showing plenty of pride, especially in the wake of two demoralizing losses. They are working hard and playing hard. They deserved this one. I’m really happy for them.

** I’m happy for me too. I’m tired of walking out of the Pete with disgust.

** But I’ll try to be real about this game as well. It doesn’t bring me any real new promise for this season. Nothing we watched tells us the Panthers are ready to take any notable steps forward.

** But this much I will say. At the very least, during the last three games we have played the only kind of game we can to have any kind of success at all. Nothing is going to come easy, so we will have to defend every shot, scrap for offense, keep it close, and find a way to win at the end.

** I will also say this. Had we played the way we did tonight against the Citadel, that game might have come down to the final possession also.

** And there are two significant differences between the Panthers against the Citadel and the Panthers against Colgate – the return of Burton and the emergence of Eze. Both have made our perimeter defense noticeably better.

** We really can’t give Eze enough props for this play. He’s just so physical on defense, and I think it helps set a tone that the rest of team feeds off of, The offense that he provides is a special bonus.

** This isn’t to say that our perimeter defense was good tonight. Let’s go with “OK.” But more often than not, the Panthers were able to rotate enough to find shooters. The Panthers didn’t do that against the Citadel at all. In that game, the Bulldogs shot 36 threes, as opposed to the 23 Colgate shot tonight.

** We also had some really troubling moments guarding the pick and roll, and Noah has some real work to do to improve in this regard.

** On the offensive end, the team is now doing a better job purposefully running the offense through Big John. And for moments in the second half our offense actually looked … well … pretty good even.

** But there are still so many things that really trouble me about our offense, mostly that our dribble drive penetration almost never results in any looks on the perimeter, let alone any good looks at the basket.

** I also wish we looked to get more in transition. All but one of the fast break buckets we got tonight were from completely clear run outs from steals. We also exhibit no offense from the secondary break, although that usually means finding three point shooters and we really don’t have any of those anyway.

** Nonetheless, it’s fair to give props to Mo for his outstanding drive and draw to even the game when it looked like our Panthers had meant their endpoint.

** And props also to Nate, Will, and Jamarius who found some success with the midrange. All of this added up to what was the best overall offensive performance by the Panthers this year.

** For those who think this is offering far too much praise to a 3 point win over Colgate, that is not my intention. I also realize how ridiculous it sounds comparing our performance against Colgate to our performance against the Citadel.

** We are all well aware the both are performances from a team that is likely to end in the cellar of the ACC.

** But if one is going to follow the Panthers this year, I do see at least see some virtue in enjoying whatever there is to be enjoyed. There may not be all that many opportunities to do so.

** And tonight I enjoyed watching the Panthers. Congrats guys on the win.


Jeffress last 4 games,

ORTG offensive efficiency rating- 120, 93, 160, 138 = Fantastic

BPM + / - overall efficiency- In the positive in last 3 of 4 games = Good

Shooting Percentage last 4 games- 50% = Great

5 total assists vs 2 total turnovers the last 4 games = Good

55% 3 point shooting the last 4 games = Excellent

5.5 boards per game the last 4 games = Great

Defensive rebound rates the last 4 games- 11, 14, 16, 28, = Good

5 Defensive Steals the last 4 games- Good

Overall Defense the last 4 games- Respectable


The young 4 core ORTG season ratings to date which is still holding firm with Jeffress rapidly rising the last 4 games.

Hugley-105
Santos-98
Jeffress-95
Femi-90


Jeffress is a very big part of the reason why this team is doing much better. He has significantly improved all over the place since the start of this season and going back into last year. 1 or 2 good games can be luck. 4 games in a row like this is a trend, a very positive one at that for him. especially as young as he is.

Injury aside, Femi needs to step up now. The other 3 are doing their part.
 
Pitt is getting better. Hugley looks "All-American-esque" at times. Just dont have enough around him. Colgate is a good team. I had a good feeling about the game though with us coming in as the underdog. I felt the team would be better prepared mentally to play.

We are going to win a few ACC games. We aren't going 0-20. Will it be enough for Capel, I dont know. He's got to do something in recruiting. Cant expect to hang onto the job with the worst class in the ACC if we go 3-17.
As I’ve said before, barring an absolute miracle this era is over.

Hugley has played great against the teams we are supposed to beat. Hopefully he can continue when the entire game plan is focused on him in ACC. Otherwise we will be 0-
 
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Jeffress last 4 games,

ORTG offensive efficiency rating- 120, 93, 160, 138 = Fantastic

BPM + / - overall efficiency- In the positive in last 3 of 4 games = Good

Shooting Percentage last 4 games- 50% = Great

5 total assists vs 2 total turnovers the last 4 games = Good

55% 3 point shooting the last 4 games = Excellent

5.5 boards per game the last 4 games = Great

Defensive rebound rates the last 4 games- 11, 14, 16, 28, = Good

5 Defensive Steals the last 4 games- Good

Overall Defense the last 4 games- Respectable


The young 4 core ORTG season ratings to date which is still holding firm with Jeffress rapidly rising the last 4 games.

Hugley-105
Santos-98
Jeffress-95
Femi-90


Jeffress is a very big part of the reason why this team is doing much better. He has significantly improved all over the place since the start of this season and going back into last year. 1 or 2 good games can be luck. 4 games in a row like this is a trend, a very positive one at that for him. especially as young as he is.

Injury aside, Femi needs to step up now. The other 3 are doing their part.
They’re 3-6. Agreed, Jeffress is a HUGE part of it. The capel era is over please stop.

Colgate would be a great place for Will to finish out his career. Hopefully they got a long look at him last night.
 
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In the era of NIL, I don’t see why someone like Capel wouldn’t work the system to cut his salary by like $1 million next year and then have boosters funnel that to like 3 recruits at like $300-400K each.

Obviously it can’t be done through the university but it can be done. Although Pitt probably doesn’t work that way. But that’s what I’d do if I was in his current spot.
 
In the era of NIL, I don’t see why someone like Capel wouldn’t work the system to cut his salary by like $1 million next year and then have boosters funnel that to like 3 recruits at like $300-400K each.

Obviously it can’t be done through the university but it can be done. Although Pitt probably doesn’t work that way. But that’s what I’d do if I was in his current spot.
Probably because he knows he’s gonna collect a 9 million dollar lump sum check to sever ties with the university in 4 months.
 
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In the era of NIL, I don’t see why someone like Capel wouldn’t work the system to cut his salary by like $1 million next year and then have boosters funnel that to like 3 recruits at like $300-400K each.

Obviously it can’t be done through the university but it can be done. Although Pitt probably doesn’t work that way. But that’s what I’d do if I was in his current spot.

I would agree but I think he's happy to take his buyout and go coach NC A&T. He can win there and maybe get an A10 job in 4-5 years.
 
It’s not ridiculous at all. What is ridiculous is the people who have already thrown in the towel and are too good to watch this team.

Before this season started, people on this board wanted to see a team that worked hard, played defense and got better as the season went on. That is exactly what this team is doing.

I definitely think we can win some more games because other than a handful of really good teams, the level of play in college basketball continues to go down. The ACC is really, really bad this year and we can win some and compete in more than I would have expected a few weeks ago.


I think the next 3 games will perhaps be pretty telling in terms of actual team improvement. As a team, we are finally starting to cut our turnovers way down. This is a good sign, especially because, Virginia and Minnesota have Top 60 Nationally rated defenses currently and we did just fine against them in ball control. This needs to continue if we are going to win games.

As a reference stick, there are only 5 teams in the entire ACC with a Top 60 Nationally rated defense right now and we already played one of them in Virginia on the road.

In the last 4 games, our offensive efficiency as a team has come up significantly as I predicted it would. I expect this to continue throughout the year, meaning, our offensive efficiency improves against better teams as our own team builds better chemistry and a comfort level on the floor with actual game experience. It is the defense holding its ground which is my biggest concern. Last year, the defense fully collapsed as the season continued on. Our defense, our rebounding, and our ball control with how many times we turn it over, is going to dictate how many teams we can beat.

I am quite intrigued by the next 3 games. I expect all 3 games to be very close in final score, much like the last 3 games.
 
Jeffress last 4 games,

ORTG offensive efficiency rating- 120, 93, 160, 138 = Fantastic

BPM + / - overall efficiency- In the positive in last 3 of 4 games = Good

Shooting Percentage last 4 games- 50% = Great

5 total assists vs 2 total turnovers the last 4 games = Good

55% 3 point shooting the last 4 games = Excellent

5.5 boards per game the last 4 games = Great

Defensive rebound rates the last 4 games- 11, 14, 16, 28, = Good

5 Defensive Steals the last 4 games- Good

Overall Defense the last 4 games- Respectable


The young 4 core ORTG season ratings to date which is still holding firm with Jeffress rapidly rising the last 4 games.

Hugley-105
Santos-98
Jeffress-95
Femi-90


Jeffress is a very big part of the reason why this team is doing much better. He has significantly improved all over the place since the start of this season and going back into last year. 1 or 2 good games can be luck. 4 games in a row like this is a trend, a very positive one at that for him. especially as young as he is.

Injury aside, Femi needs to step up now. The other 3 are doing their part.

Come on man. Jeffress may be a good player eventually but he is a 0 on offense right now.
 
Team has definitely played better the last 3 games. Record would look a lot better if they wouldn’t have let the prior 2 slip away.

Seems that most posters ‘I don’t care/really doesn’t matter’ attitude falls back to the thought that, regardless of the current improved play, prospects for the future are still pretty dark. That’s not incorrect and that outlook won’t change unless there is some positive developments in recruiting, which seems remote.
I agree. However, the fans are part of the rebuilding. There is absolutely no chance to resurrect this program with attendance of 100 people each game. The fans need to start supporting the players and program if we want the program to get better. The lack of support just will not help.
 
" ** This isn’t to say that our perimeter defense was good tonight. Let’s go with “OK.” But more often than not, the Panthers were able to rotate enough to find shooters. The Panthers didn’t do that against the Citadel at all. In that game, the Bulldogs shot 36 threes, as opposed to the 23 Colgate shot tonight."

The perimeter "D" was at least good enough to prevent Colgate from doing what they did earlier this season when they beat Syracuse 100-85---That is shoot 18 for 43 on threes.
And I do disagree with DT’s comment. The perimeter D was much better than average and definitely not just OK.
 
Pretty hard to get upset at anyone who chooses not to schedule their life around dogfights with UMBC, The Citadel, and Colgate.

Not to mention there’s ZERO hope for the future and this “core” we’re talking about won’t stay intact after the season.

A 3 point win is awesome for the kids but the only good outcome of this season for Pitt is Capel being fired.
You either like Pitt athletics or you don’t. If you do, you go to the games. I am not talking about the fringe fans here, I am talking about “Pitt” fans. If you are really a fan, you go to these games because you enjoy them and you go the the Peach Bowl whether or not Pickett plays or not. It’s not like any of our programs have been that great over the last 40 years, so I don’t get the entitlement.
 
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I asked this last year about Hughley and I don't think anyone had an answer (or if it's something anyone outside of the program COULD even know), but Horton allowed to continue to practice with the team while the legal process unfolds or is he suspended from all team related basketball activities?
There is no way Ithiel is practicing and neither did Hugley.
 
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You either like Pitt athletics or you don’t. If you do, you go to the games. I am not talking about the fringe fans here, I am talking about “Pitt” fans. If you are really a fan, you go to these games because you enjoy them and you go the the Peach Bowl whether or not Pickett plays or not. It’s not like any of our programs have been that great over the last 40 years, so I don’t get the entitlement.

Haha I’ve been to 11 of the 13 football games this year and am going to the Peach Bowl either way.

And went to probably 10ish games in Stallings Year 2.

I’ve been to zero games this year and don’t plan on going to any. I don’t “enjoy these games”. Who could? Unless you like to see be a dumpster fire.

I watch on TV if I have nothing better to do.

And I’m not saying we have to be Top 10 for me to go. I just need some hope. And right now we have NONE.

If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. If the only real fans are the ones who are going right now… Pitt has about 500 fans. And I’m not sure how many of them are really “enjoying it”.
 
Come on man. Jeffress may be a good player eventually but he is a 0 on offense right now.

And you are wrong. What is important is efficiency. Whether you are fast or slow in tempo, you need to be efficient with what you do to be good, We are one of the slowest teams in the country, 334th in game tempo. This is the slowest Pitt team in 30 years , even slower than the bad Stallings team that didnt win an acc game. Just because you are slow, that doesn't mean you cant be good.

The 2001-2002 Pitt team was 293rd in tempo. Jaron Brown averaged 9 points per game on that team shooting 16% from 3, and that team won a Big East Title. They were slow. They were efficient. And they won a lot of games.

The current Pitt team needs to continue being more efficient. The biggest correction that needs to continue to take place is not turning the basketball over because its hurting our offense and our defense.

Jeffress improvement is well documented. If other players on our team had an efficiency anywhere close to what he has done the last 4 games, we would have won all 4 of our last 4 games instead of 1 of them. We were 1 simple basket away from beating Virginia and Minnesota with a ton of team errors.

There is a time to be negative and a time to be objective.
 
You either like Pitt athletics or you don’t. If you do, you go to the games. I am not talking about the fringe fans here, I am talking about “Pitt” fans. If you are really a fan, you go to these games because you enjoy them and you go the the Peach Bowl whether or not Pickett plays or not. It’s not like any of our programs have been that great over the last 40 years, so I don’t get the entitlement.
I'm a Pitt diehard. I've been to several football games, the ACC Championship game in Charlotte and to three home basketball games so far. I'll go to the game Sunday. The basketball games are depressing. There's a feeling of impending doom in the building. The Zoo is a fraction of what it should be.

When 9500 of 10000 students that live on campus can't bring themselves to walk up the hill to a basically free game, how do you think people that have to drive, park, pay for a ticket and walk to the game that 9 times out of 10 will be an excruciating loss will feel excited to get there.

This team, in year four, is a joke. I love the kids. I'll go to most of the home games. I don't blame others for not going.
 
I'm a Pitt diehard. I've been to several football games, the ACC Championship game in Charlotte and to three home basketball games so far. I'll go to the game Sunday. The basketball games are depressing. There's a feeling of impending doom in the building. The Zoo is a fraction of what it should be.

When 9500 of 10000 students that live on campus can't bring themselves to walk up the hill to a basically free game, how do you think people that have to drive, park, pay for a ticket and walk to the game that 9 times out of 10 will be an excruciating loss will feel excited to get there.

This team, in year four, is a joke. I love the kids. I'll go to most of the home games. I don't blame others for not going.

Yeah last night I was tempted to count the fans and see if I could figure out exactly how many were there. That was the most empty I have seen it since Year 2 OOC games of Stallings.

The contigent from Colgate / Nelly Cummings was louder than the Zoo - made me glad I am at the other end of the Pete.
 
Haha I’ve been to 11 of the 13 football games this year and am going to the Peach Bowl either way.

And went to probably 10ish games in Stallings Year 2.

I’ve been to zero games this year and don’t plan on going to any. I don’t “enjoy these games”. Who could? Unless you like to see be a dumpster fire.

I watch on TV if I have nothing better to do.

And I’m not saying we have to be Top 10 for me to go. I just need some hope. And right now we have NONE.

If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. If the only real fans are the ones who are going right now… Pitt has about 500 fans. And I’m not sure how many of them are really “enjoying it”.

I give the fans who do go to these Pitt hoops games a lot of credit. They either have a lot of hope that this team is something or they don't have anything else more important to do than sit for a couple of hours and watch futility. I just don't have the time or inclination to watch this Pitt hoops team. I travel a lot and when I am home, I have a choice. Be with my wife and family or go to a Pitt basketball game. I choose the first choice.

I know I'll go to maybe 2 or 3 games this year....the better ones with the better teams, just to see those teams and knowing we'll lose in all probability. But as someone else said, this can't last much longer with no fan support and no one in the seats.
 
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Pitt is getting better. Hugley looks "All-American-esque" at times. Just dont have enough around him. Colgate is a good team. I had a good feeling about the game though with us coming in as the underdog. I felt the team would be better prepared mentally to play.

We are going to win a few ACC games. We aren't going 0-20. Will it be enough for Capel, I dont know. He's got to do something in recruiting. Cant expect to hang onto the job with the worst class in the ACC if we go 3-17.
It is quite ironic that we have been on this board complaining over the last so many years that we haven't had a capable big. We finally get one, and now the rest of the talent around him has dropped off. Being a Pitt hoops fan has become very stressful. The twists and turns this program have taken lately are painful.
 
Just rewatched the Colgate game. The last several games have been an improvement. We are on the cusp. On the cusp, you may say? On the cusp of winning a few games we are not supposed to win.....

I really like the players' efforts. They have not given up. Should we?
 
And you are wrong. What is important is efficiency. Whether you are fast or slow in tempo, you need to be efficient with what you do to be good, We are one of the slowest teams in the country, 334th in game tempo. This is the slowest Pitt team in 30 years , even slower than the bad Stallings team that didnt win an acc game. Just because you are slow, that doesn't mean you cant be good.

The 2001-2002 Pitt team was 293rd in tempo. Jaron Brown averaged 9 points per game on that team shooting 16% from 3, and that team won a Big East Title. They were slow. They were efficient. And they won a lot of games.

The current Pitt team needs to continue being more efficient. The biggest correction that needs to continue to take place is not turning the basketball over because its hurting our offense and our defense.

Jeffress improvement is well documented. If other players on our team had an efficiency anywhere close to what he has done the last 4 games, we would have won all 4 of our last 4 games instead of 1 of them. We were 1 simple basket away from beating Virginia and Minnesota with a ton of team errors.

There is a time to be negative and a time to be objective.
I agree his shooting is better and he seems more confident on offense, but offense is only 50% of the game. Against Virginia I believe he scored 6 points, but the man he was guarding scored 17. He gave up two layups on out of bounds plays and at at least two layups on drives to the basket.
 
Pitt is getting better. Hugley looks "All-American-esque" at times. Just dont have enough around him. Colgate is a good team. I had a good feeling about the game though with us coming in as the underdog. I felt the team would be better prepared mentally to play.

We are going to win a few ACC games. We aren't going 0-20. Will it be enough for Capel, I dont know. He's got to do something in recruiting. Cant expect to hang onto the job with the worst class in the ACC if we go 3-17.
I agree Pitt is playing better and am glad for the team to get the win, but Colgate is not a good team. Besides their close loss to NC State, they have also lost to the basketball powerhouses of Cornell, Harvard, Niagara and Northeastern.
 
I agree. However, the fans are part of the rebuilding. There is absolutely no chance to resurrect this program with attendance of 100 people each game. The fans need to start supporting the players and program if we want the program to get better. The lack of support just will not help.

No way. To resurrect a program, you need players. Players come to play for the Head Coach. That's it. This isn't football. The HC is all that matters to these kids, most of whom left home at 15 or 16 to chase the dream. Attendance, conference affiliation, arena size, locker room amenities, none of that matters.
 
No way. To resurrect a program, you need players. Players come to play for the Head Coach. That's it. This isn't football. The HC is all that matters to these kids, most of whom left home at 15 or 16 to chase the dream. Attendance, conference affiliation, arena size, locker room amenities, none of that matters.
wrong. Everything matters.
 
The head coach might be #1 on the list — that much I will say. But so many other things do factor in the equation.

If it was just the head coach, then why did Kentucky build a super duper state of the art dorm and entertainment facility for their players?
Beat me to it. If it didn’t matter their wouldn’t be an “arms race”. And the fact that KY is doing it tells you all you need to know.
 
The head coach might be #1 on the list — that much I will say. But so many other things do factor in the equation.

If it was just the head coach, then why did Kentucky build a super duper state of the art dorm and entertainment facility for their players?
That’s what we’re allowed to see ! What really goes on with boosters etc ?
 
The head coach might be #1 on the list — that much I will say. But so many other things do factor in the equation.

If it was just the head coach, then why did Kentucky build a super duper state of the art dorm and entertainment facility for their players?

I think a lot of it has to do with the Coach in itself followed by the players.

This team is currently 3-6. Ok...

What if:

Justin Champagnie came back this year like his brother did at St. Johns. What if Sibande didnt get injured and Horton wasn't suspended? What is our record then with those 3 players on this years team?

And here's food for thought.

What if:

Capel took the commitments of Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when both wanted to come here. Both of St. John's stars wanted to be here, and Capel didn't push for it to happen. This is on the head coach for screwing up. Nobody wanted Posh after he broke his arm and everybody backed off him except St. Johns. Massive mistake by Capel and everyone else.


We are in our current position right now because of Capel making errors on the recruiting trail along with our own players making personal choices for the better (Justin Champ) or for the worse (Horton). And also injuries (Sibande). A team with all those players I just mentioned above would be undefeated and rolling right now.


Capel needs to win now (obviously). He also needs to recruit better on the recruiting trail and not have giant misses like Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when they wanted to be here.

There is talent there for the taking every single year that is massivly underrated, look at Desmond Claude, 6 months ago nobody wanted him or barely heard of him, now look at him. It is on the head coach to go find talent, recruit it, and get them here. The star ranking is irrelevant in the end, and the Champagnie brothers and Posh Alexander are driving that nail in hard.

This current team would be massively different with Posh Alexander and Julian Champagnie on it right now alone.
 
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I think a lot of it has to do with the Coach in itself followed by the players.

This team is currently 3-6. Ok...

What if:

Justin Champagnie came back this year like his brother did at St. Johns. What if Sibande didnt get injured and Horton wasn't suspended? What is our record then with those 3 players on this years team?

And here's food for thought.

What if:

Capel took the commitments of Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when both wanted to come here. Both of St. John's stars wanted to be here, and Capel didn't push for it to happen. This is on the head coach for screwing up. Nobody wanted Posh after he broke his arm and everybody backed off him except St. Johns. Massive mistake by Capel and everyone else.


We are in our current position right now because of Capel making errors on the recruiting trail along with our own players making personal choices for the better (Justin Champ) or for the worse (Horton). And also injuries (Sibande). A team with all those players I just mentioned above would be undefeated and rolling right now.


Capel needs to win now (obviously). He also needs to recruit better on the recruiting trail and not have giant misses like Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when they wanted to be here.

There is talent there for the taking every single year that is massivly underrated, look at Desmond Claude, 6 months ago nobody wanted him or barely heard of him, now look at him. It is on the head coach to go find talent, recruit it, and get them here. The star ranking is irrelevant in the end, and the Champagnie brothers and Posh Alexander are driving that nail in hard.

This current team would be massively different with Posh Alexander and Julian Champagnie on it right now alone.
Lol holy shit. The capel era is already over. What are you even doing here?

pointing out he didn’t take commitments from a better PG than we’ve ever had and a better shooter than we’ve ever had as evidence of something good is quite the hilarious take
 
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I think a lot of it has to do with the Coach in itself followed by the players.

This team is currently 3-6. Ok...

What if:

Justin Champagnie came back this year like his brother did at St. Johns. What if Sibande didnt get injured and Horton wasn't suspended? What is our record then with those 3 players on this years team?

And here's food for thought.

What if:

Capel took the commitments of Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when both wanted to come here. Both of St. John's stars wanted to be here, and Capel didn't push for it to happen. This is on the head coach for screwing up. Nobody wanted Posh after he broke his arm and everybody backed off him except St. Johns. Massive mistake by Capel and everyone else.


We are in our current position right now because of Capel making errors on the recruiting trail along with our own players making personal choices for the better (Justin Champ) or for the worse (Horton). And also injuries (Sibande). A team with all those players I just mentioned above would be undefeated and rolling right now.


Capel needs to win now (obviously). He also needs to recruit better on the recruiting trail and not have giant misses like Julian Champagnie and Posh Alexander when they wanted to be here.

There is talent there for the taking every single year that is massivly underrated, look at Desmond Claude, 6 months ago nobody wanted him or barely heard of him, now look at him. It is on the head coach to go find talent, recruit it, and get them here. The star ranking is irrelevant in the end, and the Champagnie brothers and Posh Alexander are driving that nail in hard.

This current team would be massively different with Posh Alexander and Julian Champagnie on it right now alone.
Hypotheticals what ifs are a psychological tool to suspend the listeners mind from the reality of now.
 
Lol holy shit. The capel era is already over. What are you even doing here?

pointing out he didn’t take commitments from a better PG than we’ve ever had and a better shooter than we’ve ever had as evidence of something good is quite the hilarious take

That wasn't the point.

The point was there were 2 Elite players right there for the taking from NY and neither Capel or his staff didnt think either was good enough.

Pitt didnt need fancy Nil deals, fancy resources, fancy dorms, a fancy arena, fancy locker rooms, Kentucky level money, Kentucky level assistants, or buying these players under the table, or any other nonsense. Capel failed with his own judgement which is why these players arent at Pitt. That is the only reason they aren't. 3 star players built this program into a powerhouse when things got started. Players like Brandin Knight and Julius Page, players not recruited hard by other big name teams.



The other point was, we could be considerably better if we had Horton, Sibande, and Champ. We would be considerably better with just Horton. This part was out of Capel's control.
 
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