Congratulations your the next Head Coach of the University of Pittsburgh Men’s Bb Program
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They got a break because they got Stallings for cause . JC is only losing that’s on the people who hired and extended him . If I was JC I’m not reducing my buyout one cent .
Any highly sought person in the job market regardless of profession normally has more than one option for employment, sure someone will take the money , but is he who you want ? Is the Pitt job a a highly desirable job ? Are you furthering your career by going to a school in Pitts situation ? The guys you want will have options and I doubt that Pitt is at the top of anyone’s list other than BK . Pitt taking a chance and throwing millions at an up and comer after the KS and now JC fiascos takes deep pockets and a lot of balls .
How do you know they have nothing for cause here? The buyout will be significantly lower than you think
My guess
Cieplicki Named Men’s Basketball Chief of Staff at Pitt - Pitt Panthers #H2P
PITTSBURGH – University of Pittsburgh head coach Jeff Capel announced the addition of Kyle Cieplicki to his staff, Monday morning. Cieplicki joins the staff following
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It’s attractive because it pays $4M a year in a power conference, has a top-25 budget in college basketball, and has an athletic director and chancellor who are very supportive - financially and otherwise.
It’s not a job without downsides - local recruiting base is a big one, though that’s lessened a bit by its proximity to major markets and places like First Love 30 minutes down the road who bring in quality talent from elsewhere. But coaches aren’t going to look at the talent on any current roster and run away because the portal is going to screw up any new coach’s returning roster. Capel and Lyke have done a good job of fixing the bones, but Capel couldnt turn that skeleton into a functioning body. The next guy won’t have to worry about the bones.
Do you know something the rest of us don’t know about JC .
Can’t imagine they’re violating recruiting rules !
Would it be common to have a clause dealing with lawbreaking by “your” players?
I realize that such a clause would only be invoked based on dissatisfaction with a coach on a broader basis.
The Hugley situation might be stretched to include players other than Hugley (at least rule breaking) and now you have Horton.
Maybe less public instances also exist?
Can Pitt continue to pay buyouts at whatever the cost is and then pay the next guy 4 mil with an empty Pete ?
I know nothing more than you guys do. But the “cause” of what is known to have lowered the stallings buyout wasn’t actually the cause they had. It was leverage. You can’t fire someone for cause for minor violations.
I don’t think the next guy is going to make appreciably less than Capel, no matter what happens. I think it’s going to continue to be a job that pays in the top half/third of the ACC.
Could player retention rate also be a “break glass in case of emergency clause”?
Why not? It certainly seems a logical protection from having your team starting a season with no reasonable roster.
Ok for arguments sake Pitt moves on from JC paying whatever and hires the next great up and comer . Is he taking the job for less than JC ?
So now this unknown coach is a great hire and gets Pitt to .500 ball in the ACC in 3/4 yrs , how many season tickets are sold for a .500 team ?
We were spoiled , Pitt fans want nationally ranked team winning conference championships and aren’t filling the Pete for a middle of the pack ACC program. A lot of money to be mediocre !
So now this unknown coach is a great hire and gets Pitt to .500 ball in the ACC in 3/4 yrs , how many season tickets are sold for a .500 team ?
We were spoiled , Pitt fans want nationally ranked team winning conference championships and aren’t filling the Pete for a middle of the pack ACC program. A lot of money to be mediocre !
Because every team in the portal era is going to be starting with 5-6 new guys on the team every year. You wouldn’t be able to attract a coach if that was your reasoning.
Depends - how good are the Penguins? And do we have UNC and Duke on the home schedule?
Plus, firing a coach at this time WOULD deter other coaches. I think Lyke has to let the season play out, give him a chance, and assuming it goes the way we expect he will be fired after the season or at least towards the end.
Again, like I indicated, this would not be a clause invoked based on fact, but one based on need to dismiss and mitigate financial loss.
Any coach would understand that.
A hungry new coach would accept school prevention from disaster as a reasonable requirement.
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When you’ve made the amount of money JC has made plus whatever his contractual buyout is what leverage does Pitt have over him ? They’ll keep him from working ? He doesn’t have to work another day the rest of his life , the same as KS .
Wait time on payment? Drawn out legal wrangling?
A J.T. Wentworth get my money now or a structured settlement.
I think the other thing to remember is that he’s signed through 26-27, which is five more seasons after this one. Regardless of the “end year” on the deal, contracts like this are typically written to be renegotiated with ~four years remaining on them. So next year was always going to be the year to renegotiate Capel’s contract, because that’s when he’d have four years left on the deal. So if they make a move this offseason, it’s basically just making a move one year early. Not six years early like it looks like if you just read the contract release.
No ones buying season tickets plus donation for a Duke or UNC ticket that they can buy on stubhub .
You can’t compare the Penguin or Steeler fans to Pitt fans . The Pirates are a better compare .
He’s owed a lot of money even if it’s 50% of the full amount , but he’s not a man living paycheck to paycheck. Pitt doesn’t have the upper hand here .
He isn’t a guy making 50k whose being fired for cause that agrees to leave peacefully so that he can retain his pension.
The Stallings buyout was less because we fired him for cause and he had to sue us.
What I would wonder is if Capel only has a roster of 2-3 players in March and 0 recruits, could he be fired for cause for "trying to get fired to collect the buyout." I thought Stallings knew he was going to get fired and quit and was just trying to get the buyout. I cant believe I'm saying this but I think Capel also may be just trying to collect the buyout so he can be richer while coaching NC A&T
They have the same leverage they had with Stallings.
Stallings was not exactly reliant on a weekly paycheck.
He was both older and had greater career earning than Capel.
$20 million for facilities and coaching salaries is a terrible investment when he could have paid every football $30,000 for 10 years. We are more likely to lure in 4 and 5 stars with a $30K/year salary than with new carpeting.
Lets say he goes 4-7 in the non-con and loses his first 10 ACC games. This is possible. I believe that at the moment you're sure you are going to fire him, you should do it then......unless the buyout drops by a few million after like March 15 or whatever.
If your players law and rule breaking is a contract clause and your player retention and the promise to provide a roster is a contract clause, then there is a much stronger cause to fire Capel for cause than ever existed for Stallings.
This is especially so as Capel has been already given a twice as long opportunity.
Every player must get accepted by the university and he’s not recruiting out of George Jr . and misleading anyone on these kids characters.
If I remember his players have had excellent academic results .
But his admission was approved by the university .
If your old enough to remember an entire recruiting class was rejected by the university .
I remember the Prop 48 class. The eggheads struck again.
The poor coaching staff hires, lack of team chemistry, no shooters, no offensive or defensive identity, awful recruiting, etc.. This all falls on the head coach. Just an overall abysmal job and he never learned his lesson. The same concept that worked at Duke, isn’t going to work here.
I have another name but god I hope this doesn’t come to fruition: Bobby Hurley. He’s gonna get fired at ASU and is looking for an exit plan.
Some broke laws. Some broke rules and Covid protocols. Many just left.
It makes no difference what they were when he recruited them. They are his players and these actions occurred while at Pitt.
IF, big if, clauses exist pertaining to player law breaking and rule breaking and a floor of a roster (all at least possible) then a case could be made (that would delay any financial benefit to Capel until litigated) for dismissal for cause.
