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D. Marino's pre-draft rumors.................

Plenty of people close swear by the rumors. Doesn't even matter. Not sure anyone cared because he was still a first round pick in a very talented draft class.



Malone was a first round draft pick and was tabbed as the heir apparent. Marino was never a real option for the Steelers.
That's true, it's just funny how average/casual football fans like myself new that Malone was never going to be Marino, and the Steelers didn't.
 
Yeah ,
A pharmacist I worked with was a cheerleader during that time ...
She pretty much said the same thing , they weren't rumors.
I wasn't in college in early 80's but I find it extremely hard to believe that a lot of college kids, football players, weren't doing the exact same thing.. Pretty much a non-issue.. The poor senior season is much more viable reason to believe than a college kid being a college kid..
 
I don't know how anyone can say one way or another whether or not those rumors were true?

It's strange to me when people insist that they know for a fact that Dan Marino used cocaine while the Pitt because their cousin's girlfriend's uncle's mailman saw him do it at a party in Oakland one night.

No, you don't know that.

Here is what we do know: he never failed a drug test in the NFL and he played in Miami – America's cocaine capital. Also, he and his college roommate, Jimbo Covert, have always adamantly denied the rumor. I can see why he would deny it coming out of college - or even during his playing days - but why now?

Here is what I think happened: after lighting up college football over the previous three seasons, Marino had a horrible senior year under new coach, Foge Fazio. Also, there were rumors not only of drug use but also that maybe he wasn't the most coachable kid in the world.

He may have also used some recreational drugs but in the early 80s that was not uncommon. A lot of our national leadership and people who might otherwise surprise you also used recreational drugs during that epoch.

The Steelers passed on him because they did not realize that Bradshaw was done. That is probably the biggest drafting mistake in the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I did once hear through the grapevine that Penn State used to use that in recruiting against Pitt. They would tell parents that Oakland was dangerous and that half the Pitt football team was on drugs.

I would bet anything that was the genesis of those rumors.

However, I also know that misinformation is a big part of the NFL draft experience and it would not surprise me if we were to one day learn that the Miami Dolphins were also pushing that rumor in the hope that the talented young quarterback might slip to them at pick no. 27.
Not failing drug tests only means you aren't an idiot.
It's a Clasic type 2 error.

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test either , and his were much more frequent and strict.
 
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Wlat is a pretty cool dude overall. I don't condone what he was doing (especially given that he was married), but in the words of Chris Rock - I understand. :)
What was he doing? And since none of what you might imagine is ILLEGAL, who cares?
 
Walt had some personal issues. Partying in Shadyside with young ladies, etc. Went through a divorce and acted a bit too crazy....possibly with coeds?? And he didn't leave willingly...Pitt wouldn't renew his contract.
I'm not sure Cowher was a target, though....thought he was a solid family man.
There were strong rumors about Cowher and his Secretary.
 
I wasn't in college in early 80's but I find it extremely hard to believe that a lot of college kids, football players, weren't doing the exact same thing.. Pretty much a non-issue.. The poor senior season is much more viable reason to believe than a college kid being a college kid..
No disagreement from me.
 
There were strong rumors about Cowher and his Secretary.
And what does that have to do with coaching the team? If he's losing and fcckng his secretary, then I'd care, if he wins the Super Bowl while doing it, get her a ring too.
 
And what does that have to do with coaching the team? If he's losing and fcckng his secretary, then I'd care, if he wins the Super Bowl while doing it, get her a ring too.
I played baseball in the summer with a bunch of guys from FC, so I know the rumors about Walt, Walt's kids, Cowher, and Cowher's kids. I am not going to go into it because it is in the past, but there was a lot going on. Bottom line - if u can play or coach the game and win, then most things are forgiven.
 
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What was he doing? And since none of what you might imagine is ILLEGAL, who cares?

Where did I say I cared? I said I don't condone it, meaning I don't agree with infidelity, which is very different than caring that he (allegedly) did it. Don't be so quick to assume what people are thinking, because the old adage about assumptions is often very true.
 
)Well the rumors went as far as Cowher's secretary was pregnant. Bil and his wife made a public statement denouncing the speculation which was complete fiction. It isnt easy in the public eye.

I heard he knocked up Kordell's sister. Around the same time that Kordell was supposedly caught in Schenly park doing something naughty. Both were likely vicious lies. Pretty disgraceful for whoever started and propagated them.
 
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I heard he knocked up Kordell's sister. Around the same time that Kordell was supposedly caught in Schenly park doing something naughty. Both were likely vicious lies. Pretty disgraceful for whoever started and propagated them.
kordell is still upset, just came out with a book to set us straight.. Little does he know that no one in this city has thought about him in 20 years.. He let us know he is definitely straight, unfortunately didn't cover the topic of him not being able to hit an open WR to save his life..
 
I find it odd that some local franchises like the Steelers focus so much on the negative issue with their hometown college player, but will excuse so much when it comes to others. Even local players who were not at Pitt get more benefit of the doubt with the Steelers. The Browns passed on Roethlisberger because he was the local kid but they just weren't sure about him because he had a bad game against Purdue. So Ben then plays with a chip on his shoulder against them twice every season. But the Browns will draft a complete moron basket case like Manziel from the other side of the country who loves the big city fast life. Perfect fit for Cleveland! The Steelers took a shot with Mike Adams, the local kid who was at Ohio State, and they knew he had issues and continues to have them. They draft character issue guys all the time.. when they play somewhere that isn't Pitt, but a truly great player like Marino, or the many other guys out of Pitt... nope. Too much risk for the Stillers. Unbelievable.
 
Not failing drug tests only means you aren't an idiot.
It's a Clasic type 2 error.

Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test either , and his were much more frequent and strict.

That is true. Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, John Elway and Don Mattingly also never failed drug tests. So, like Marino, those guys were either crafty evaders of the system or they were not using drugs? I'm not sure which it is?
 
That is true. Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, John Elway and Don Mattingly also never failed drug tests. So, like Marino, those guys were either crafty evaders of the system or they were not using drugs? I'm not sure which it is?
Cocaine is out of your system in only a day or two.. if you fail a drug test because you are doing coke, you pretty much are doing lines off your dashboard on the drive to the collection site..
 
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Is this true? I did not know that traces cannot be found after a day or two.

Cocaine is out of your system in only a day or two.. if you fail a drug test because you are doing coke, you pretty much are doing lines off your dashboard on the drive to the collection site..
 
Is this true? I did not know that traces cannot be found after a day or two.
like anything, depends on how much you do but the metabolite in it usually is out of your system (urine) in about 12 hours.. If you pound it, Tony Montana style, im sure it takes longer. No idea about blood or hair samples, if that is more effective... You have to be a real idiot to test positive for this, a hard night out boozing stays in your system longer..
 
I'M HAPPY to see things hidden. I hate the modern times when every little incident makes new and screws up teams. Like I remember seeing Bill Fralic beat the crap out of some student at a bar, and that story never made any news. I PREFER when things where like that! Like the '70s and '80s, when it was just accepted that college students got drunk and stoned and sht happened and life goes on, not like today, where everything is a federal freaking case.

Fralic was such a cool dude. Remember idolizing him as a kid. His hands were so big. Mine just disappeared in them when he shook my hand.

There are some funny rumors about Siragusa too. Guy was a hoot. Ironhead was apparently on a first name basis with the University police.
 
I always stuck with the “socially accepted” drug of alcohol ~

like anything, depends on how much you do but the metabolite in it usually is out of your system (urine) in about 12 hours.. If you pound it, Tony Montana style, im sure it takes longer. No idea about blood or hair samples, if that is more effective... You have to be a real idiot to test positive for this, a hard night out boozing stays in your system longer..
 
Cocaine is out of your system in only a day or two.. if you fail a drug test because you are doing coke, you pretty much are doing lines off your dashboard on the drive to the collection site..
Marijuana is in the system for 3-6 weeks after use depending on the person.
Hard to pass a drug and alcohol test if you're a regular user of pot.
Corp./businesses even temp agencies require applicants to pass a drug and alcohol test these days .
Good like getting a job or keeping one if you're subject to random drug testing if you're a regular pot user.
 
People have their priorities screwed up. I'm referring to fans who consider partying with coeds in shady side as anything but fantastic. Being early 50s and drinking at docs bar with a couple 22-year-old girls on Walnut Street on the roof bar, that should be commended.
I've drunk on the roof at Doc's (now Mario's - Shadyside) plenty of times but didn't realize that it made me "cool". Maybe my being with the missus and not a couple of 22-year-old coeds made the difference? ;)
 
I've drunk on the roof at Doc's (now Mario's - Shadyside) plenty of times but didn't realize that it made me "cool". Maybe my being with the missus and not a couple of 22-year-old coeds made the difference? ;)
if you are in your 50s and getting the attention of early 20's females then yes, that makes you cool. if you were with the missus then no, definitely not cool. Don't take sand to the beach parrothead..
 
if you are in your 50s and getting the attention of early 20's females then yes, that makes you cool. if you were with the missus then no, definitely not cool. Don't take sand to the beach parrothead..
Better to "take sand to the beach" than having to remove her size 9 from some tender areas.....:cool:
 
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I think it would have been cool to see dan play a year in 2000 for the steelers.. Not sure if he had anything left in the tank but we definitely made an offer, which he declined.. Then we had Kent Graham, something that still brings me sadness..

maybe someone can enlighten me but his senior year at pitt wasn't all that great, right??
Danny's senior year was a dud compared to his junior season and arguably the worst of his four seasons at Pitt. Marino's Yds per Pass Attempt (6.4) was the lowest of his Pitt career by nearly one yard. His senior passer rating was 115.2, also a career low. And his INTs (23) matched his junior year but the TD passes dipped from 37 to just 17.

This wasn't all on Marino. Though he did force the ball into traffic and his picks killed way too many drives, his receivers in 1982 suffered an epidemic of butterfingers. Pitt could survive the turnovers in all but one game in 1981 because the Panthers were so much better than their opponents, but miscues killed the '82 squad against stiffer opposition.

Watch the Youtube videos of the ND, Penn State or WVU games that year and you'll writhe in your chair. Pitt's worst enemy was often the Panthers themselves.

I do not advise watching the Cotton Bowl disaster vs SMU before you sit through these three. Against West Virginia -- a rousing comeback win -- you can see Marino at his very best at crunch time. But that game didn't need to be that close.
 
Cocaine is out of your system in only a day or two.. if you fail a drug test because you are doing coke, you pretty much are doing lines off your dashboard on the drive to the collection site..
on the long end, it's half life is about 2 hours..which means in about 12 hours (6 half lives)..it's effectively eliminated from the body.

For most it's even less than 12 hours.

like I said..you'd have to be an idiot to test positive..and have to actually be tested for it.
 
I'M HAPPY to see things hidden. I hate the modern times when every little incident makes new and screws up teams. Like I remember seeing Bill Fralic beat the crap out of some student at a bar, and that story never made any news. I PREFER when things where like that! Like the '70s and '80s, when it was just accepted that college students got drunk and stoned and sht happened and life goes on, not like today, where everything is a federal freaking case.

I agree, screw the truth. We should all adopt the Joepa method of covering everything up.

I don't understand some people...
 
I remember this situation well. Danny was rumored to be a cocaine user and it did scare a lot of the teams away. With Elway going back and forth with baseball, Danny would have been taken as the 1st QB in this draft sans the concerns.

Stabler. Namath. Layne. Pastorini. I am sure there were others, party guys who played a mean QB. Whether rumors were true or not, I can see someone using that factor as how to make a decision between John Elway or Dan Marino. But Tony friggin Eason? Kenny O'Brien? Todd Blackledge? What the hell were people thinking?
 
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