Damar Hamlin
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Re: One Cannot Fear Recruiting By Others For 2016!
It is more important Coaches & Staffs work hard to develop the players they do recruit into Complete Units & Teams.
It is great to recruit many 4 and 5 Star Players and that is to be admired, but what is more admired is winning from the Players the Coaches & Staff develop into Complete Good Teams and execute on Game Day.
Winning will attract higher rated Recruits over time!
It is still 2015, and this years recruiting is not over, and then Teams have to win and lose, and that can change the minds of Recruits too.
Penn State's Franklin & Staff have had over 2 years jump on Pitt's Narduzzi & Staff 4 weeks and without coaching one game. This is no time to be a Nervous Nellie or Panic In The Year Zero or 2015!
There is nothing wrong to congratulate, being gracious, and recognizing Franklin & Staff have done a great job in recruiting in 2014 and 2015 and may continue in 2016, but why worry about something only Pitt can change and lets support Narduzzi & Staff to do it!
What will be will be what Coach Narduzzi & Staff does this year!
Less Of This Above:
More Of This Below:
PITT STARTING ON THE HUNT:
PITT COACHES & PLAYERS ON THE POUNCE
PITT ON THE RISE!
This post was edited on 2/1 1:25 AM by CaptainSidneyReilly
It is more important Coaches & Staffs work hard to develop the players they do recruit into Complete Units & Teams.
It is great to recruit many 4 and 5 Star Players and that is to be admired, but what is more admired is winning from the Players the Coaches & Staff develop into Complete Good Teams and execute on Game Day.
Winning will attract higher rated Recruits over time!
It is still 2015, and this years recruiting is not over, and then Teams have to win and lose, and that can change the minds of Recruits too.
Penn State's Franklin & Staff have had over 2 years jump on Pitt's Narduzzi & Staff 4 weeks and without coaching one game. This is no time to be a Nervous Nellie or Panic In The Year Zero or 2015!
There is nothing wrong to congratulate, being gracious, and recognizing Franklin & Staff have done a great job in recruiting in 2014 and 2015 and may continue in 2016, but why worry about something only Pitt can change and lets support Narduzzi & Staff to do it!
What will be will be what Coach Narduzzi & Staff does this year!
More Of This Below:
PITT ON THE RISE!
This post was edited on 2/1 1:25 AM by CaptainSidneyReilly
Recruiting perception
The gurus determine the 'winners' and 'losers' of recruiting. The stars they assign are an indication of talent. And, yes, stars do matter, but they are not the be all, end all, of on-field results. Obviously, talent is a necessary ingredient to winning, as the Alabamas, Fla Sts, Ohio Sts, etc show, but coaches also have the insight for lesser-profiled recruits that 'fit' into their system and needs, and some develop better and coach better overall. The K Sts, Dukes, Mich Sts, etc. of the world still win without many 4 or 5 stars. Penn St kicked our asses in recruiting head-to-head this year on paper, and we fans recognize that (as do theirs). But, our staff did a good job in a short period of time, especially filling needs and establishing some depth at certain positions. My positive look at it says Pitt had a decent recruiting year, and with the 'young' players that are returning, have an opportunity to have a successful season. If the coaches are competent, as we anticipate, the future will get brighter with each passing class. What I love about the 'rivalry' with Penn St for recruits and attention is that we are in a David vs. Goliath situation when we play each other. Penn St is the local 'Goliath' and should hand us our asses on the field, with all the talent they're accumulating, but if they don't, they will have no answers and their credibility will diminish quickly, and the tide will turn. I will savor all the bragging and arrogance they show, and bide my time till the games. In the meantime, Pitt football has gained excitement, and the new staff has a chance to show their competence soon. I can't wait for spring practice now that the recruiting wars are over.
This post was edited on 2/1 7:49 AM by GT74
The gurus determine the 'winners' and 'losers' of recruiting. The stars they assign are an indication of talent. And, yes, stars do matter, but they are not the be all, end all, of on-field results. Obviously, talent is a necessary ingredient to winning, as the Alabamas, Fla Sts, Ohio Sts, etc show, but coaches also have the insight for lesser-profiled recruits that 'fit' into their system and needs, and some develop better and coach better overall. The K Sts, Dukes, Mich Sts, etc. of the world still win without many 4 or 5 stars. Penn St kicked our asses in recruiting head-to-head this year on paper, and we fans recognize that (as do theirs). But, our staff did a good job in a short period of time, especially filling needs and establishing some depth at certain positions. My positive look at it says Pitt had a decent recruiting year, and with the 'young' players that are returning, have an opportunity to have a successful season. If the coaches are competent, as we anticipate, the future will get brighter with each passing class. What I love about the 'rivalry' with Penn St for recruits and attention is that we are in a David vs. Goliath situation when we play each other. Penn St is the local 'Goliath' and should hand us our asses on the field, with all the talent they're accumulating, but if they don't, they will have no answers and their credibility will diminish quickly, and the tide will turn. I will savor all the bragging and arrogance they show, and bide my time till the games. In the meantime, Pitt football has gained excitement, and the new staff has a chance to show their competence soon. I can't wait for spring practice now that the recruiting wars are over.
This post was edited on 2/1 7:49 AM by GT74
Re: Recruiting perception
Yes, Michigan outt-recruited Michigan State and we know how that turned out. IMO, more stars get you closer to a finished product, but are no indication of the final product. The star gap can be closed with quality coaching and the will to improve. I think we are in good shape moving forward.
Yes, Michigan outt-recruited Michigan State and we know how that turned out. IMO, more stars get you closer to a finished product, but are no indication of the final product. The star gap can be closed with quality coaching and the will to improve. I think we are in good shape moving forward.
Re: Recruiting perception
GT--You get no argument from me on your take. I do think, however, given the coaching turnover (once again) that your statement
"Our staff did a good job in a short period of time,
especially filling needs and establishing some depth at certain
positions." is an understatement.
Given the circumstances, I think they have done/are doing not just a good job--but a great job!. I give them an A+ for taking a "lemon" and making "lemonade." A class that could have wound up as "D" or "F" rated class is winding up as a solid "B " due to late efforts.
GT--You get no argument from me on your take. I do think, however, given the coaching turnover (once again) that your statement
"Our staff did a good job in a short period of time,
especially filling needs and establishing some depth at certain
positions." is an understatement.
Given the circumstances, I think they have done/are doing not just a good job--but a great job!. I give them an A+ for taking a "lemon" and making "lemonade." A class that could have wound up as "D" or "F" rated class is winding up as a solid "B " due to late efforts.
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The only sites on Rivals network where people attempt to explain away the stars are ones where the average star ranking is below their competition. Let's be honest....once again, coaching turnover has adversely impacted Pitt's recruiting class. Although to be fair, it is not like our former staff had a top 30 class lined up before they departed. Our new coaches did their very best under the circumstances--and appear to have signed some kids for positions of need and that have potential. However, if you look back, the first class of new staff's at Pitt have proven to be far from spectacular. Let's not try to polish this class to something it is not.
The new staff on paper looks great. They have experience, say a lot of great stuff, and are high on spirit and enthusiasm. They have not coached a day at Pitt. There have been higher profile coordinators from more highly ranked programs that have flamed out in their attempt to be a head coach. My advice is to enjoy being a fan and support the program...and hope these guys can actually do it here at Pitt! Until I see it on the field...I'm going to keep my outlook tempered. with a bit of realism based upon decades of being a Pitt fan. Hail to Pitt!
This post was edited on 2/1 2:12 PM by PITTLAW
The only sites on Rivals network where people attempt to explain away the stars are ones where the average star ranking is below their competition. Let's be honest....once again, coaching turnover has adversely impacted Pitt's recruiting class. Although to be fair, it is not like our former staff had a top 30 class lined up before they departed. Our new coaches did their very best under the circumstances--and appear to have signed some kids for positions of need and that have potential. However, if you look back, the first class of new staff's at Pitt have proven to be far from spectacular. Let's not try to polish this class to something it is not.
The new staff on paper looks great. They have experience, say a lot of great stuff, and are high on spirit and enthusiasm. They have not coached a day at Pitt. There have been higher profile coordinators from more highly ranked programs that have flamed out in their attempt to be a head coach. My advice is to enjoy being a fan and support the program...and hope these guys can actually do it here at Pitt! Until I see it on the field...I'm going to keep my outlook tempered. with a bit of realism based upon decades of being a Pitt fan. Hail to Pitt!
This post was edited on 2/1 2:12 PM by PITTLAW
Re: Recruiting perception
The game in 2016 is going to be huge. The build up is built up pretty well 20 months out.
That game will prove a lot.
The game in 2016 is going to be huge. The build up is built up pretty well 20 months out.
That game will prove a lot.
Re: Recruiting perception
The big picture will matter a lot more in 2016. How will this staff be doing in its second full season? How will have the first full year of recruiting gone for them?
PSU is going to statistically have more talent on the field, star-wise, in 2016 so odds will be against Pitt winning. It will be great if Pitt can overcome that and win the game, but there better be a bunch of other wins around it. Like the "13-9" game ... it was in the midst of a 5-7 season.
Pitt needs to start being known for seasons and teams, rather than individual games and players.
What exactly will it prove? Put it in context.
The big picture will matter a lot more in 2016. How will this staff be doing in its second full season? How will have the first full year of recruiting gone for them?
PSU is going to statistically have more talent on the field, star-wise, in 2016 so odds will be against Pitt winning. It will be great if Pitt can overcome that and win the game, but there better be a bunch of other wins around it. Like the "13-9" game ... it was in the midst of a 5-7 season.
Pitt needs to start being known for seasons and teams, rather than individual games and players.
Yes, we're doomed. If we don't get Hamlin, we'll have to settle for these DBs from Florida and Texas that our staff is targeting.
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What matters are the guys a program ends up signing on NLI day for that respective year. Every team is allowed 85 scholarship players. Because a certain recruit goes to one school or another doesn't mean any school loses a scholarship. There is an opportunity to recruit other players for that available scholarship.
Which recruits will ultimately turn out to be the best college players? Can't possibly tell that until they actually get on the field and play.
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My outlook as well-on all counts.
We saw the same kind of slappiness on the board when PC and Co took over on a short LOI and scrambled to get a couple of live bodies into the recruiting class. The posts about their ability to sniff out underrated talent and target players based on how they fit into the coaches' grand plan in that first class were hilarious.
Duzzi and Co did pretty well under the circumstances. Duzzi had about a month to put together an entire coaching staff, save as many of the existing recruits as possible including the key member of the class, and get a few more guys in the class. We had some nice late gets like McKee and Brightwell, the rest was what we could get with no time left on the clock-not what we really want. Let's be honest with ourselves here. That's what the coaches would tell you over a beer.
Next year we'll get an idea of what kind of recruiters they are. Not this year.
This post was edited on 2/1 4:28 PM by thebadby2
My outlook as well-on all counts.
We saw the same kind of slappiness on the board when PC and Co took over on a short LOI and scrambled to get a couple of live bodies into the recruiting class. The posts about their ability to sniff out underrated talent and target players based on how they fit into the coaches' grand plan in that first class were hilarious.
Duzzi and Co did pretty well under the circumstances. Duzzi had about a month to put together an entire coaching staff, save as many of the existing recruits as possible including the key member of the class, and get a few more guys in the class. We had some nice late gets like McKee and Brightwell, the rest was what we could get with no time left on the clock-not what we really want. Let's be honest with ourselves here. That's what the coaches would tell you over a beer.
Next year we'll get an idea of what kind of recruiters they are. Not this year.
This post was edited on 2/1 4:28 PM by thebadby2
Re: Lose the battle in Pa
All we need to do to do so is beat out Florida, FSU, Miami, the entire SEC, the elite teams from the rest of the Power 5 conferences. Not to mention everyone else, because EVERYBODY recruits Florida. No problem.
I'd say winning more of the in-state battles than we lose is going to be very important. Every once in a while when we beat out USF and UCF for a solid 3 star Florida guy, that will just be gravy.
All we need to do to do so is beat out Florida, FSU, Miami, the entire SEC, the elite teams from the rest of the Power 5 conferences. Not to mention everyone else, because EVERYBODY recruits Florida. No problem.
I'd say winning more of the in-state battles than we lose is going to be very important. Every once in a while when we beat out USF and UCF for a solid 3 star Florida guy, that will just be gravy.
Honestly, anyone that plays defense and knows our coach's track record would frankly be a fool not to attend school tutoring under him.
I dont think Hamlin is a fool... he will be a Panther.
I dont think Hamlin is a fool... he will be a Panther.
I honestly dont know who your DC is.
But there have been multiple first and early round draft selections from Narduzzi's secondary recently. I cant remember PSU having any?
But there have been multiple first and early round draft selections from Narduzzi's secondary recently. I cant remember PSU having any?
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