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My God yes. It is easy to see too. Today's kids are way more athletic then my generation (I was in HS in the mid to late 90s), but they are not as good. They practice way more then we did yet they are less skilled.
In my day Lavar Arrington was the only freshman to start Varsity as a freshman. Despite what this board thinks of him because of him being a nitter, there was and is no denying his ability. The facts support that too. National Player of the year, HS All American by everyone, #1 overall recruit, College All American, #2 overall NFL pick, All pro, ect.
Today, how many kids who will not even play college football start their freshman year? Most 5A schools struggle to field a JV team let alone a freshman team. I'm talking 60 kids in the whole HS program. My day at a AA school, 58 kids were on the Varsity team those who didnt see varsity time played JV, and probably 30 kids on the Freshman team.
So yes I do believe that not only HS but college and pro football is worse today. The numbers just aren't there, and the focus on fundamentals are not there either. It's all 7 on 7 crap.
It makes sense they work the club circuit since its a thing. If your a recruiter do want to go see South Fayette vs CV at 10am then drive to Mt Lebo vs USC at 12pm and cap the day w/ Bethel Park at Peters for 2pm if the schedule even worked out like that. Or you could show up to some sports complex at 9am and watch Beadling play Century and 20 other games and be out of there at noon.
For wrestling you never see college coaches at a normal dual. But at tournaments or multi team Duals you see them as it's the best bang for the buck.
Football is the only sport where you still see coaches at normal games because the structure does not allow these multiple contest at 1 time in 1 location.
Norwin and Hempfield were both 5A in football in the cycle previous to the one we are in now. And now they are back up to being the 4th and 5th largest schools. Not because they have more kids, because they have to account for the kids who don't actually go there differently.
It's been a while, at least a decade, maybe close to two at this point, but there was a time when the list of the top five fastest growing school districts in Western PA included Norwin, Hempfield, Penn Trafford and Franklin Regional. Not coincidentally, three school districts that border Allegheny County and one the next district in.
In the next cycle coming up Trinity is the largest 4A school in the WPIAL playing football by enrollment. South Fayette is the smallest 5A school. They have 6 more boys. So they just missed having enough males to be 5A as it is.
It looks like in the next cycle York Suburban will be the only football playing school in 4A with more boys than Trinity. And that's by one boy. So they are already really close to 5A.
I believe Woody High will be moving up to 6A next year and in the near future I’d expect Mars to be 5A.
No. In the cycle starting next year there are six 6A football schools by enrollment. NA, Seneca, Norwin, Canon-Mac, Hempfield and Mt. Lebanon. Central Catholic is playing up to make seven. Woodland Hills was originally going to be in 6A, but they somehow managed to screw up their counting (what does it say about the quality of the education when the people running the school can't even count correctly?). So they appealed to the PIAA to put them in 5A where they actually belonged, and the PIAA agreed.
Also, it should be noted that Butler would make it eight, but they are still playing as an independent.
I dont think any WPIAL teams have freshmen teams anymore, do they? Some of the bigger ones have 2 JV teams, sort of like an A and B team. Primarily freshmen and lesser-talented sophomores on the one and then the other would have the better sophomores (but who dont play much varsity) plus the juniors who dont play much varsity.
Part of Trinity's justification for building the indoor athletic facility was the projected growth their district is expected to see in the next 10-15 years.
I am absolutely shocked to learn of this. Trinity is a huge district geographically but its very sparsely populated. How are they projecting all this growth? What towns are the people going to move to? To be honest, its a really crappy area. I guess you can say look at Seneca Valley and Canon McMillan but Trinity is further out than those 2. I just dont get it.
And for a school with arguably the worst big-ish school sports programs, this fantastic indoor athletic complex seems like an unbelievable waste of money. In such a poor, rural, conservative district, how did this get built? I dont think there's another one of these in all the WPIAL. Well, Penn Hills.
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
LOL....I thought you were talking about "Trinity" Catholic High School outside of Harrisburg. Okay...this makes more sense now.
This is almost as good as your Canonsburg is a declining area argument. Thank you for all you do here.I am absolutely shocked to learn of this. Trinity is a huge district geographically but its very sparsely populated. How are they projecting all this growth? What towns are the people going to move to? To be honest, its a really crappy area. I guess you can say look at Seneca Valley and Canon McMillan but Trinity is further out than those 2. I just dont get it.
And for a school with arguably the worst big-ish school sports programs, this fantastic indoor athletic complex seems like an unbelievable waste of money. In such a poor, rural, conservative district, how did this get built? I dont think there's another one of these in all the WPIAL. Well, Penn Hills.
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School Districtwww.trinitypride.org
Isn't it true from Trinity's HS you can see Washington HS. Another example of two districts that should be merged. They are literally one mile apart.I am absolutely shocked to learn of this. Trinity is a huge district geographically but its very sparsely populated. How are they projecting all this growth? What towns are the people going to move to? To be honest, its a really crappy area. I guess you can say look at Seneca Valley and Canon McMillan but Trinity is further out than those 2. I just dont get it.
And for a school with arguably the worst big-ish school sports programs, this fantastic indoor athletic complex seems like an unbelievable waste of money. In such a poor, rural, conservative district, how did this get built? I dont think there's another one of these in all the WPIAL. Well, Penn Hills.
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
College coaches mostly wait for the kids to contact them, now. Not like it used to be. Also, high school film is worthless for most sports. The competition isn't there and team sports can make a player look worse because of who is around them. Obviously, there are exceptions but it's just how it is, now.
It's mostly because the majority of schools in the western half of the state are smaller and have struggled with numbers. But to be fair, HS football has really tanked in the last twenty years and I wouldn't be shocked to see it slide further in the next twenty. I think that once the large companies that run big clubs and tournaments in other sports decide they can make money at football, that will be it. Will become a club type sport. Honestly, that might be the best outcome for players and schools alike.
Why do you have to bring politics into everything? You could have made your point without inserting the word conservative.I am absolutely shocked to learn of this. Trinity is a huge district geographically but its very sparsely populated. How are they projecting all this growth? What towns are the people going to move to? To be honest, its a really crappy area. I guess you can say look at Seneca Valley and Canon McMillan but Trinity is further out than those 2. I just dont get it.
And for a school with arguably the worst big-ish school sports programs, this fantastic indoor athletic complex seems like an unbelievable waste of money. In such a poor, rural, conservative district, how did this get built? I dont think there's another one of these in all the WPIAL. Well, Penn Hills.
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
I’m pretty sure Trinity has parts of the city of Washington within its borders. And it’s also rural. So it’s diverse demographically and politically.
My guess is with all the land out there, plenty of new plans are being built…Ryan, maronda, Heartland and custom built homes. There is beautiful countryside out there just waiting to be developed.
When you say "look at Seneca and Canon Mac, but Trinity is further out." I'm not sure what all the crying is about? It takes 30 minutes to get SV from downtown. It takes 39 minutes to get to Trinity from downtown.I am absolutely shocked to learn of this. Trinity is a huge district geographically but its very sparsely populated. How are they projecting all this growth? What towns are the people going to move to? To be honest, its a really crappy area. I guess you can say look at Seneca Valley and Canon McMillan but Trinity is further out than those 2. I just dont get it.
And for a school with arguably the worst big-ish school sports programs, this fantastic indoor athletic complex seems like an unbelievable waste of money. In such a poor, rural, conservative district, how did this get built? I dont think there's another one of these in all the WPIAL. Well, Penn Hills.
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Trinity Athletic Complex - Trinity Area School District
Penn Hills has an indoor facility as does New Castle.
This also answers Soufie question but the city of Washington is its own school district wholly inside of Trinity school district. Its weird. And sometimes its unavoidable to bring up the fiscal attitudes of a school district's population when discussing expenditures that school district is making. The area is very poor and rural. I am just shocked they got that facility approved. It would be one thing if they had very successful sports programs as some poor areas do. But Trinity completely sucks at everything except, and I am guessing here, wrestling, given its location.
As for new homes, while I am sure there will be home new homes built, I dont think its going to offset the long-term population loss of such a rural school district. Western PA is declining in population. It looks like Trinity is made up of South Strabane, North Franklin, and Amwell. North Franklin and Amwell didnt grow from 2000 to 2020. South Strabane went from 8000 people to 9600 in 20 years. That's a nice growth rate but adding 1600 residents over a 20 year period doesn't necessitate building a bunch of new buildings primarily for "future growth" especially in a very poor area.
100% true. My daughters have both been in that club soccer world for years. Showcase tournaments, ID camps hosted by groups of college programs, etc etc. My older daughter gets emails from the Duquesne coach and a bunch of others every week inviting her to ID camps--and we live in Michigan.
My older daughter is a soph in H.S.--her entire H.S. team, and every team they play against, is loaded with club players, most of who are upper echelon club players. Just about every metro Detroit H.S. team she played against had a kid or two on it that she knew from the club soccer world. Most of the JV teams are also composed entirely of club players from the lower echelons. It's very obvious who play club and at what level, and who doesn't at tryout time. The elite level of club players isn't even permitted to play for their H.S. teams. And those are the girls that eat up 75% of the D1 scholarships for their sport.
Volleyball, baseball, basketball, hockey, softball, swimming are all sports where it's even more critical to play club to even have a prayer of a college scholarship, or really even a spot on your H.S. varsity team. There is no substitute for the year round, high level training that club players get, and the high school and college coaches know that.
As usual, your desire to create perception to align with your take avoids reality.
First off, there really isnt any fiscal responsibility by politcal affiliation these days. Today’s conservatives aren’t your fathers conservatives. But that’s a different discussion for a different forum. And furthermore when it comes to sports, people irresponsibly spend regardless of their ideology.
Secondly, Trinity is not a very poor area. The median household is right in line with other school districts like a Chartiers Valley (which has Nemacolin in its borders), Shaler, Hempfield, etc. it’s a small notch below a Norwin or Canon Mac, and considerably higher than a Baldwin or Belle Vernon. So pump the breaks a bit on your rhetoric. Median household is in the 60’s which might be in line with national averages.
And another data point for reference, Washington school district is in the 30’s, as well as schools like Clairton, City of Pittsburgh, and Sto Rox.
Are those numbers total enrollment?
If so, relative to most high schools in the metro Detroit area, those schools are tiny.
It doesn’t say, but I believe those numbers are boys within 3 classes (9,10,11). They don’t include senior classes because they are graduating and moving on. Those numbers I posted are totals 9th-11th grade used to determine what classification a school will compete in for the next two years.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
Median Household Income
Amwell $44,922
South Strabane $42,762
North Franklin $37,516
Admittedly those numbers are always skewed a lot by retiree households but still, that's poor.
Not sure why you are comparing with CV, Shaler, Hempfield, Baldwin, Belle Vernon, etc as there is a lot of poverty in those districts.
I pulled actual census data by school district. Trinity is in the 60’s unless I pulled the wrong Trinity. But the other trinity is perochial so I didn’t think that would be included. And I compared Trinity to other school districts because your schtick is transparent as you aim to demean that area because it’s rural because that’s what you always do. You have a weird divisive tone to many of your posts. You would never call CV or Shaler a “very crappy area”. Not surprised you used conservative and crappy to describe Trinity. It’s what you do. It happens to be a very beautiful area in some parts. Like the other districts I mentioned. Well other than Baldwin…I lived there and there’s not much beauty there. It’s busting at the seams.
That New Castle facility isnt impressive. Every town/school in Western PA has one of these converted small warehouses with low ceilings where they put in some used field turf and make some use out of it for sports. Trinity and Penn Hills have the only 2 buildings built primarily for football (ie high ceilings) that I know of. PH was built years ago when costs were low. Trinity apparently paid top dollar recently despite having terrible sports and most of their population living in poverty.
You know "most of their population living in poverty" isnt subjective right? And of course that's nowhere near correct. As usual. BTW, where is Upper St Clair's old warehouse with used field turf?
Turns out I was wrong about Trinity being diverse. And of course SMF is full of shit in regards to most people there being in poverty.
Gee....I wish I posted this. Like I did a few hours before you did. Do I write in invisible ink? You are an attention whore and just want to dominate every stupid narrative you want to put forth.
On your first point this is so true. Going to high school in the 80's a dunk was a really rare thing in the WPIAL at least. Really rare. Many teams never had one all season long. Most kids 6'2 or 6'3" couldnt dunk. Now? Everyone dunks. My HS is mostly white, but practically the whole team could dunk a few years ago. 6'0 kids are throwing them down. So yeah the athleticism has increased over a generation.
Specialized training is better today than 40 years ago, but there were quite a few guys I remember dunking in the late 80’s/early 90’s. Tom Pipkins was dunking in 8th grade. I just about crapped my pants when I saw him touch the rim in warm ups of a tournament we were playing in at the New Ken YMCA. I was a 5th grader at the time.
I'm not a basketball person, I never watch it. So we agree they are more athletic as you mention they can all dunk. What do the fundamentals look like? Is the ball handling better or worse?
I don't doubt that 1 bit. But the great majority still spend way more than they will get back from a financial perspective.
Not full of shit. Its a very poor area with a few Ryan and Maronda Home plans. 29% in poverty.
Yes, that is the way that the PIAA does their enrollment numbers. Boys and girls are completely separate. And they count three grades, 11, 10 and 9.
So NA at 1119, assuming that is the next cycle numbers, means that NA right now has 1119 boys in grades 9, 10 and 11.
Yeah I helped my BIL coach a team in the Freeport Summer League when he was in 8th grade and he just came down the baseline and threw one down.....I started laughing. (Because we all heard about his abilities)/
In some cases, sure. Not as much for soccer as for say, hockey. But if you want to play most high school or college sports, your pathway runs through the club world. That’s just the way it is now and has been for quite a while. I don’t like it personally, but it is what it is.
Yeah and fox chapel has 21% in poverty. Shaler has 37% in poverty and Baldwin has 42% in poverty. Yet you only crack on the areas that you don’t think you identify with politically. You do realize how school taxes work, right? If it was a poor area, they wouldn’t have the tax base for projects like the one you discussed. You’re being silly.
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