Does anybody else have a problem with this?

[TD_6082]

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/peyton-maning-hgh-private-investigators

This looks bad. Apparently the Sherriff is sending his deputies out to do his dirty work for him. In doing so, he gives a lot of credibility to the initial Aljazeera report.

The southern good 'ole boy thing is such a facade. It's more like the Manning Mafia the way they operate.

Funny how the Manning camp called the initial report "completely fabricated" and "total garbage" yet now they admit part of the story is true: that drugs were indeed shipped to Manning's house. Now they want to cite his wife's medical privacy as reasons not to discuss the issue further. LMAO! Peyton is a punk and a clown.

 

[PantherO]

I can't get to the article, but watching Peyton throw, he must have had a bad batch or I don't understand what HGH is supposed to do.

 

[TD_6082]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...da2f04-cb05-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html

Let's see if this works. Pretty much all of the other articles and commentaries from other outlets stem from this original article. I think the Post broke the story about Manning sending hired muscle to this guy's house to coerce a retraction.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Here's another piece from that site. This is a pretty absurd POV. Blind devotion is just as bad as blind hatred.

Newton took waaaaaay too much criticism for his celebrations going into the SB. It really was silly and absurd. However, people criticizing him now absolutely have a valid point.

Nobody likes to lose and not everyone is gracious in defeat. Hell, half the coaches in the league act just as petulantly after any loss. Have you ever seen Bill Belichick after a loss?

However, if you can't summon the character to stand tall in the tough times then I'm not interested in hearing from you when the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

Making matters worse for Newton, last year, in a very similar spot, and I would argue an even tougher situation, Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson handled his bitter disappointment with extreme grace and class. I don't think Russell Wilson is a good loser, I just think he's a person of character who understands that a major part of being a professional is that you have to take the good with the bad.

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/cam-newton-defends-himself-2016-2

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

BTW, if that is true, ol' Peytie Pie is pretty damn dumb to have failed to anticipate that things like that can go REALLY bad for you.

 

[eastcoasthoops]

Does this surprise anyone really? Both the league and the high profile players will do any and everything to protect the brand. Sound familiar?

Roger Goodell's NFL business model is fashioned after Vince McMahon much more than Bill Gates.

 

[Consultant Panther]

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/peyton-maning-hgh-private-investigators

This looks bad. Apparently the Sherriff is sending his deputies out to do his dirty work for him. In doing so, he gives a lot of credibility to the initial Aljazeera report.

The southern good 'ole boy thing is such a facade. It's more like the Manning Mafia the way they operate.

Funny how the Manning camp called the initial report "completely fabricated" and "total garbage" yet now they admit part of the story is true: that drugs were indeed shipped to Manning's house. Now they want to cite his wife's medical privacy as reasons not to discuss the issue further. LMAO! Peyton is a punk and a clown.

Using his wife as cover is pretty absurd and smacks of desperation.

 

[Pittx9]

Here's another piece from that site. This is a pretty absurd POV. Blind devotion is just as bad as blind hatred.

Newton took waaaaaay too much criticism for his celebrations going into the SB. It really was silly and absurd. However, people criticizing him now absolutely have a valid point.

Nobody likes to lose and not everyone is gracious in defeat. Hell, half the coaches in the league act just as petulantly after any loss. Have you ever seen Bill Belichick after a loss?

However, if you can't summon the character to stand tall in the tough times then I'm not interested in hearing from you when the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

Making matters worse for Newton, last year, in a very similar spot, and I would argue an even tougher situation, Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson handled his bitter disappointment with extreme grace and class. I don't think Russell Wilson is a good loser, I just think he's a person of character who understands that a major part of being a professional is that you have to take the good with the bad.

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/cam-newton-defends-himself-2016-2

I partially disagree. Newton is still taking too much heat for the postgame stuff. Just a bunch of people whining about nothing. But, I have a huge problem with Cam not trying to recover that ball. You just don't put forth no effort late in the Super Bowl. He said he doesn't recover fumbles, well then don't fumble Cam.

 

[Consultant Panther]

I partially disagree. Newton is still taking too much heat for the postgame stuff. Just a bunch of people whining about nothing. But, I have a huge problem with Cam not trying to recover that ball. You just don't put forth no effort late in the Super Bowl. He said he doesn't recover fumbles, well then don't fumble Cam.

I tend to agree about the post game press conference, although he should have offered some sort of apology after the fact. As for the fumble, I totally agree. It should be his instinct to go after the ball.

 

[Pittx9]

I tend to agree about the post game press conference, although he should have offered some sort of apology after the fact. As for the fumble, I totally agree. It should be his instinct to go after the ball.

Yeah I did not mention that. Some people may not look at it as an apology. But I thought until he said, "I don't recover no fumbles" he was having a great press conference after the Super Bowl press conference. Stating that a good loser is a loser was 100% true. It's not like Cam was Belichick and Brady after they were 18-0 and lost the Super Bowl either. That was just total disrespect to the game of football.

 

[yourhired]

When you have an investment like Manning his agent will do everything to protect the brand. Even though you would have to believe Manning with monies he has made via salary plus papa johns and nationwide that he wouldn't care if his image was tarnished but obviously his agent has decided to be aggressive.

 

[ncyajleel]

Newton pretty much contradicted himself. His quote in an interview yesterday was "show me a good loser and I will show you a loser," or something like that. Then later on in that interview he said he was not going to fall on fumbles.

I don't know of anyone who "likes" to lose. But in a game of that magnitude, someone who is a "winner" would have risked anything to get to that fumble because the game is on the line at that point. He also said in the interview that fumble did not lose the game, and he is right, but it kept them from winning the game. He may not like to lose, but it doesn't seem like he knows what it takes to win.

Roethisberger takes a lot of heat for things he has done, and rightfully so. But I remember his first super bowl and how they got there. He made the saving tackle against the Colts that won the game. He scored the game clinching touchdown on a bootleg in the AFC Championship game against Denver. And in the Super Bowl though his passer rating was terrible, he made a block that gave Randel El time to throw a touchdown pass to Ward. He did the things that are not normally a QBs job, making game saving tackles and blocks, THOSE are the traits of a winner.

As for Manning, it seems like any time someone wins, there are people wanting to tear them down. Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, etc. Not saying what they are accused of isn't true, but it seems like people try so much harder when they have accomplished something important. Remember the Dan Marino rumors up to and during the 1983 NFL Draft? Looking back at how Elway and his father acted, it would surprise me if they were the ones who started that rumor.

 

[pittdan77]

Whoa...wait a minute here. How could hiring PI's possibly be considered as dumb?

One thing we've learned over the last few years is that the appearance of wrongdoing is more than enough for the media to throw up red flags and swarm. Putting investigators out there to find out who thinks they have information and why is smart. Finding out what was conveniently omitted is a necessity. Allows you to head off problems at the pass and discredit the situation quickly. Think about the Freeh Report, for instance. PSU was able to figure out where the problems were and mitigate the damage. Would you rather control the "investigation" or let an outsider do it? Would also point out that if any of us were accused of a major crime, the first thing a defense lawyer is going to do is hire a PI (if you can afford one). Biggest reason is to make sure that none of the "facts" are being "overlooked". So to speak.

 

[President Stache]

I dont trust Peyton Manning at all.

And I know because I was there and I SAW IT. Hawaii, Pro Bowl, mid 2006, Peyton, who was married, was at a party without his wife at a private party at the W hotel with 2 of the nastiest hookers you could find (he arrived with them in each arm) and looked completely drunk or something and went into the back room. According to the guys I was with, it wasnt the first time. My wife and I gained respect for a lot of players and lost respect for a lot of players that night. The main losers were Peyton and Jason Taylor. Lots of great guys though, McNabb, Max Starks, Warren Moon, and just many others total good dudes that I saw turn down many an advance.

Anyways, the southern drawl thing works for him, he is self effacing and funny, so people will believe whatever. As for HGH, who knows, he certainly doesnt look at all muscular, but like I said, I wouldnt doubt it.

By the way, I would think he is the face of the NFL not Cam Newton as another thread said.

 

[pittzap]

Here's another piece from that site. This is a pretty absurd POV. Blind devotion is just as bad as blind hatred.

Newton took waaaaaay too much criticism for his celebrations going into the SB. It really was silly and absurd. However, people criticizing him now absolutely have a valid point.

Nobody likes to lose and not everyone is gracious in defeat. Hell, half the coaches in the league act just as petulantly after any loss. Have you ever seen Bill Belichick after a loss?

However, if you can't summon the character to stand tall in the tough times then I'm not interested in hearing from you when the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

Making matters worse for Newton, last year, in a very similar spot, and I would argue an even tougher situation, Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson handled his bitter disappointment with extreme grace and class. I don't think Russell Wilson is a good loser, I just think he's a person of character who understands that a major part of being a professional is that you have to take the good with the bad.

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/cam-newton-defends-himself-2016-2

Excessively celebrating during the game and then losing the game, to me, always made the losing players look ridiculous.

Cam Newton not only celebrates after wins, but after touchdowns and even first downs. He supposedly got upset at the post game press conference because he could overhear the Broncos players answering questions about their game plan; and it was to make the Panthers throw the ball. If he sees that as rubbing it in, what the hell does he think his celebrations are during the game? Guess what, it worked! The Broncos won and Newton spent the game on his butt.

Do you think Michael Jordan enjoyed losing? He was one of the most competitive athletes I have ever see; and I was not a Jordan/Bulls fan. If he lost, he answered questions then made sure he didn't make the same mistakes again. Answering questions after the game is part of the job.

My Dad used to say that true character is measured by how you act when you face adversity. At times, he's not even a good winner. If you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it. Not trying for the fumble simply shows that he quit. There is no reason not to go for that ball. He is not some aging QB that would have gotten broken in half. He is 26 years old and is a ridiculous athlete. Plus, it's the last game of the season.

 

[Swervin27]

Peyton plays the PR game very well, almost Bettis-esque.. Cam needs some work in that department, guy is a walking PR nightmare.. I love it, more he talks the funnier it gets. But someone who cares about his PR needs to tell him to quit digging, his hole is deep enough.

 

[pittzap]

Peyton plays the PR game very well, almost Bettis-esque.. Cam needs some work in that department, guy is a walking PR nightmare.. I love it, more he talks the funnier it gets. But someone who cares about his PR needs to tell him to quit digging, his hole is deep enough.

I agree. Newton just comes off as a poor sport. There is a difference in being competitive and hating losing vs. being a poor sport. Again, if you want to jump around and celebrate on the field during and after games when you win, face the music when things don't go your way, too. He looked lost during the Super Bowl. Denver was all over him. When he says, "it is nothing special they did" at one point during the press conference, the follow up question should have been, "have you ever been sacked 7 times in one game before?"

 

[pitt-girl]

Peyton plays the PR game very well, almost Bettis-esque.. Cam needs some work in that department, guy is a walking PR nightmare.. I love it, more he talks the funnier it gets. But someone who cares about his PR needs to tell him to quit digging, his hole is deep enough.

I have never been a huge fan of Peyton (Mr. Pitt-girl thinks he's completely over-rated), but he never really bothered me until the end of this Super Bowl and the Budweiser plug and kisses for Papa John's founder. Completely, 100% turned me off. The guy is completely loaded but yet still has to grab more. Good riddance.

 

[pittbb80]

Excessively celebrating during the game and then losing the game, to me, always made the losing players look ridiculous.

Cam Newton not only celebrates after wins, but after touchdowns and even first downs. He supposedly got upset at the post game press conference because he could overhear the Broncos players answering questions about their game plan; and it was to make the Panthers throw the ball. If he sees that as rubbing it in, what the hell does he think his celebrations are during the game? Guess what, it worked! The Broncos won and Newton spent the game on his butt.

Do you think Michael Jordan enjoyed losing? He was one of the most competitive athletes I have ever see; and I was not a Jordan/Bulls fan. If he lost, he answered questions then made sure he didn't make the same mistakes again. Answering questions after the game is part of the job.

My Dad used to say that true character is measured by how you act when you face adversity. At times, he's not even a good winner. If you want to dish it out, you better be able to take it. Not trying for the fumble simply shows that he quit. There is no reason not to go for that ball. He is not some aging QB that would have gotten broken in half. He is 26 years old and is a ridiculous athlete. Plus, it's the last game of the season.

Clearly anyone who questions Cams behavior after the SB is a racist...............

On a serious note, Cam not only didn't apologize, he doubled down on his behavior and essentially said that's who I am and if you don't like it tough cookies.......He certainly has the right to act as a petulant child and fans and sponsors across the country have the right to call him out for it without the race card being played.

As far as PM goes, hiring the investigator and his lame excuse about protecting his wifes medical history is incredibly lame. Just like the other professional athletes who flat out lied and then were caught, it would appear as though this will not end well for Manning and his image rightfully will be tarnished.

When will people learn from history and come clean rather than doubling down on the lie and making it look ten times worse.

 

[pitt-girl]

Clearly anyone who questions Cams behavior after the SB is a racist...............

On a serious note, Cam not only didn't apologize, he doubled down on his behavior and essentially said that's who I am and if you don't like it tough cookies.......He certainly has the right to act as a petulant child and fans and sponsors across the country have the right to call him out for it without the race card being played.

As far as PM goes, hiring the investigator and his lame excuse about protecting his wifes medical history is incredibly lame. Just like the other professional athletes who flat out lied and then were caught, it would appear as though this will not end well for Manning and his image rightfully will be tarnished.

When will people learn from history and come clean rather than doubling down on the lie and making it look ten times worse.

Honestly, not trying to be political, but Hilary needed to follow this advice. You are exactly right.

 

[Jpripper88]

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/peyton-maning-hgh-private-investigators

This looks bad. Apparently the Sherriff is sending his deputies out to do his dirty work for him. In doing so, he gives a lot of credibility to the initial Aljazeera report.

The southern good 'ole boy thing is such a facade. It's more like the Manning Mafia the way they operate.

Funny how the Manning camp called the initial report "completely fabricated" and "total garbage" yet now they admit part of the story is true: that drugs were indeed shipped to Manning's house. Now they want to cite his wife's medical privacy as reasons not to discuss the issue further. LMAO! Peyton is a punk and a clown.

I am not a Manning fan, but I would investigate and send folks, too. Also, he didn't deny his wife was ever shipped HGH. They did not admit it initially, but said the exact same thing about her medical privacy. I imagine she did use HGH, as many well to do woman of advanced age do, to help them lose or maintain a certain weight. And I wouldn't be surprised (or care) if Peyton used it, too.

 

[pittbb80]

Why would you need to investigate the investigators if you are completely innocent and have nothing to hide. PM said he was looking forward to FULLY COOPERATING with the NFL on the investigation and looked forward to clearing up the issue.....

I could be totally wrong here and it wouldn't be the first but as the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you can be pretty sure its a duck. I'd say the preponderance of evidence points to PM using HGH and flat out lying about it.........HIs words and actions seem very similar to One JVP and company

 

[pittdan77]

Not sure you guys get it. Cheating in the NFL isn't really discouraged. Neither is drug use. The Super Bowl MVP (Von Miller) was suspended for six games for violating the league substance abuse policy. Even tried to cheat the test. Does that matter now? If Manning did (probably) use HGH, there will be a reason it doesn't matter (CBA, passed test, unreliable witness, bush league news report). He's done as a player anyway. Not like the league is going to take away wins like they do in college.

 

[pittdan77]

Newton is just a young, cocky idiot that will learn his lesson. No different than Big Ben in that regard.

 

[OriginalEther]

I can't get to the article, but watching Peyton throw, he must have had a bad batch or I don't understand what HGH is supposed to do.

Didn't read the article either, but I would suspect his rapid decline over the past 1.5 seasons would mean that he stopped.

For guys that aren't built like linemen, the idea for hgh/steroids is to decrease recovery time and stay viable. You're noticing baseball players break down a lot faster now.

 

[DruidTM]

Sung to The nationwide theme..

"Two thugs gonna bust yer knees"....

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Yeah I did not mention that. Some people may not look at it as an apology. But I thought until he said, "I don't recover no fumbles" he was having a great press conference after the Super Bowl press conference. Stating that a good loser is a loser was 100% true. It's not like Cam was Belichick and Brady after they were 18-0 and lost the Super Bowl either. That was just total disrespect to the game of football.

Yeah, I strongly disagree withis this POV. There is a HUGE difference between being a good loser (whatever that means) and being a gracious loser - like people have to be after every Super Bowl. Showing some class and HUMILITY does not make one look weak, it makes them appear strong.

So you hate losing? Wah-wah-wah. No shitt. Everyone hates to lose. It's just that some can summon the character to power through those disappointing moments anyway. Conversely, others lack that resolve and HUMILITY.

That's fine for him to pout and act defiantly (and petulantly), but then I'll have no time for him should he win a Super Bowl. Losing a game does not mean you need to shed your dignity and Newton has done that in the wake of his most recent disappointment, IMHO. Between his fumble, his utter refusal to retrieve it and then his pouting like a child afterward, he has definitely lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of most sports fans, IMHO.

 

[Pittx9]

Yeah, I strongly disagree withis this POB. There is a HUGE difference between being a good loser (whatever that means) and being a gracious loser - like people have to be after every Super Bowl. Showing some class and HUMILITY does not make one look weak, it makes them appear strong.

That's fine for him to pout and act defiantly (and petulantly), but then I'll have no time for him should he win a Super Bowl. Losing a game does not mean you need to shed your dignity and Newton has done that in the wake of his most recent disappointment, IMHO. Between his fumble, his utter refusal to retrieve it and then his pouting like a child afterward, he has definitely lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of most sports fans, IMHO.

I agree with you 100% on the fumble. That's what makes a loser right there. I even agree with your overall post. I just don't think barely speaking to the media is him pouting. I don't think anyone in a bad mood wants to answer questions, most of them are stupid anyways. I just don't see a big deal out of the presser at all. Much better than if he would've made up excuses and said Denver is no good, we should've won. I just think this really came down to him being upset that so many people were thrilled to see him fail.

Basically, I don't think any less of him because of the presser. But the fumble and the stupid comment he made about it, well I would not want him as the leader of my football team after that. Very selfish and cowardly play.

 

[DruidTM]

Too much being made about walking away from the mic... Way too much...was it the best reaction? Nope...but the fallout is akin to him spitting on a reporter, punching another and vomiting as he left the podium...

One thing his was correct about anyway...the game wasn't lost only on a fumble recovery...that's for damn sure...I actually thought in pointing that out he was accepting the disaster as his ...?
Carolina won't repeat anyway... Don't see it happening

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Whoa...wait a minute here. How could hiring PI's possibly be considered as dumb?

One thing we've learned over the last few years is that the appearance of wrongdoing is more than enough for the media to throw up red flags and swarm. Putting investigators out there to find out who thinks they have information and why is smart. Finding out what was conveniently omitted is a necessity. Allows you to head off problems at the pass and discredit the situation quickly. Think about the Freeh Report, for instance. PSU was able to figure out where the problems were and mitigate the damage. Would you rather control the "investigation" or let an outsider do it? Would also point out that if any of us were accused of a major crime, the first thing a defense lawyer is going to do is hire a PI (if you can afford one). Biggest reason is to make sure that none of the "facts" are being "overlooked". So to speak.

Nope, again I disagree. Hiring PI's isn't the problem in and of itself. However, if you are going to do that, they need to be much more careful than they were in this instance.

Hiring PI's who *reportedly* misrepresent themselves as law enforcement is DEFINITELY a PR mistake because now, no matter what happens, Manning looks like a guilty thug who is trying to use his power and influence to intimidate his principal (sole?) accuser.

Whether he is guilty or innocent of what he is being accused of, that was a poor choice on his part, IMHO. They needed/need to be MUCH more discreet than that. Call it the Watergate lesson.

 

[pitt-girl]

I am not a Manning fan, but I would investigate and send folks, too. Also, he didn't deny his wife was ever shipped HGH. They did not admit it initially, but said the exact same thing about her medical privacy. I imagine she did use HGH, as many well to do woman of advanced age do, to help them lose or maintain a certain weight. And I wouldn't be surprised (or care) if Peyton used it, too.

They do? I never heard of that.

 

[pittzap]

I agree with you 100% on the fumble. That's what makes a loser right there. I even agree with your overall post. I just don't think barely speaking to the media is him pouting. I don't think anyone in a bad mood wants to answer questions, most of them are stupid anyways. I just don't see a big deal out of the presser at all. Much better than if he would've made up excuses and said Denver is no good, we should've won. I just think this really came down to him being upset that so many people were thrilled to see him fail.

Basically, I don't think any less of him because of the presser. But the fumble and the stupid comment he made about it, well I would not want him as the leader of my football team after that. Very selfish and cowardly play.

Well, at one point he said it "wasn't anything Denver did" (or something along those line). It was EVERYTHING their defense did. They had Carolina off balance all game. When they had the chance to make plays, they didn't. Newton missed several throws that were there. He had a horrible game.

 

[thebadby2]

http://www.maxim.com/entertainment/peyton-maning-hgh-private-investigators

This looks bad. Apparently the Sherriff is sending his deputies out to do his dirty work for him. In doing so, he gives a lot of credibility to the initial Aljazeera report.

The southern good 'ole boy thing is such a facade. It's more like the Manning Mafia the way they operate.

Funny how the Manning camp called the initial report "completely fabricated" and "total garbage" yet now they admit part of the story is true: that drugs were indeed shipped to Manning's house. Now they want to cite his wife's medical privacy as reasons not to discuss the issue further. LMAO! Peyton is a punk and a clown.

Manning hired Ari Flesicher to run interference on this thing? Wow.

 

[pittdan77]

Nope, again I disagree. Hiring PI's isn't the problem in and of itself. However, if you are going to do that, they need to be much more careful than they were in this instance.

Hiring PI's who *reportedly* misrepresent themselves as law enforcement is DEFINITELY a PR mistake because now, no matter what happens, Manning looks like a guilty thug who is trying to use his power and influence to intimidate his principal (sole?) accuser.

Whether he is guilty or innocent of what he is being accused of, that was a poor choice on his part, IMHO. They needed/need to be MUCH more discreet than that. Call it the Watergate lesson.

Oh no, I agree to that end. There are a lot of clowns out there who get PI licenses or who are working under someone else's license. You have to be careful who you hire.

 

[Dr. von Yinzer]

Manning hired Ari Flesicher to run interference on this thing? Wow.

Yeah, that caught my attention too. This is getting very serious. Fleischer is a bare knuckles brawler and is probably as good at something like this as you can hire.

 

[Pittx9]

Well, at one point he said it "wasn't anything Denver did" (or something along those line). It was EVERYTHING their defense did. They had Carolina off balance all game. When they had the chance to make plays, they didn't. Newton missed several throws that were there. He had a horrible game.

Yeah in an odd way I think it was both. Clearly Denver's defense just is that good. But also Cam missed a lot of wide open throws really, really badly.