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[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Damn cheap ass, no talent frauds are hammering that $200 million dollar pitcher Justin Verlander right now, even their outs are 390 foot rockets. If only the Pirates spent $200 million, maybe they would be up 6 or 7 to 1 instead of 5-1. They stink. Nutting's cheap.

 

[Delpanther]

They WON 98 games! 98 Games!!! What, do you think every win was against a AAA team? The Pirates beat up on every other division. The only reason why they didn't win 100 games is because poor records against the Red and the Brewers. But they won 98 games! How many times has this franchise won that many?

And you are acting like it is the worst franchise in the league. They are one of 14 teams to make the playoffs 3 straight years over the last 50 years. You aren't that bright. Your arguments are completely false and factless. It is just based on a hatred of ownership. The Pirates can win 20 games, lose 1 and you will take that 1 loss as ownership not spending enough.

And I am not a yinzer who "roots roots for the home team". My posts on these forums should indicate that. And here is a bombshell, I don't trust the Nuttings and don't think he spends what he can and should spend either. But I can't complain, because what they have done so far has worked.

I also believe that:
a) I would not have resigned Russell Martin to that ridiculous contract
b) I would have cut/traded Pedro.
c) I would not resign/extend McCutcheon.
d) I do think that maybe they should have kept Walker, at least until Kang proves he can come back, but I would not extend him either.
e) Hate the Vogelsong extension, thought maybe they should have tried more to keep Happ.
f) There were no real options at 1B, even bigger spending teams stayed away from Chris Davis and his ridiculous contract demands.
g) Realize there is no chance to resign Garrit Cole.

Idiots like you, who you are probably a loyal MM follower, just scream "NUTTING CHEAP! NUTTING CHEAP!" and fail to acknowledge anything that actually happens on the field, except anything that is not good. You just want ownership to spend! Spend on what? If they can get the same production for half the price, what is wrong with that?

MLB is set up the way it is set up. The Pirates can't get emotional and sign some of the stupid contracts that Reds did, or the Brewers, or even the Phillies. My only complaint, is if they are in it this July, and there is the opportunity to add a big piece for possibly a top prospect or two, well it is time to go for it.

Let me just respond to your clueless rant with the following: the Pirates will never win a championship with Nutting as the owner. I hope you enjoyed those 98 wins, most of which were soporific because the team was offensively impotent, because that will constitute the zenith of what the Pirates will ever do under Nutting. He's a cheap bum who has padded his wallet at the expense of the city of Pittsburgh and its fans.

The Pirates are going nowhere and will get much worse before they get better. They will never ever field a championship team unless they are willing to procure 2 or 3 key players periodically to fill holes/ and they are unwilling to do this because Nutting is indeed a cheap bum. Enjoy your bobbleheads because that will be the only edification you'll ultimately get from Nutting. You're not truly interested in seeing a championship BB team in Pittsburgh because you obviously are wholehearted in your allegiance to Nutting economics, economics for loser franchises.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Let me just respond to your clueless rant with the following: the Pirates will never win a championship with Nutting as the owner. I hope you enjoyed those 98 wins, most of which were soporific because the team was offensively impotent, because that will constitute the zenith of what the Pirates will ever do under Nutting. He's a cheap bum who has padded his wallet at the expense of the city of Pittsburgh and its fans.

The Pirates are going nowhere and will get much worse before they get better. They will never ever field a championship team unless they are willing to procure 2 or 3 key players periodically to fill holes/ and they are unwilling to do this because Nutting is indeed a cheap bum. Enjoy your bobbleheads because that will be the only edification you'll ultimately get from Nutting. You're not truly interested in seeing a championship BB team in Pittsburgh because you obviously are wholehearted in your allegiance to Nutting economics, economics for loser franchises.

98 wins? How many teams have won 98 games in the last decade? And the wins don't count because they were offensively deficient. So, I guess if you win 2-1, it doesn't count? But if you win 9-6 it counts? You have been eating retard sammiches again.

Dude, you are not smart enough to argue this point. AND I AM THE PERSON WHO PREDICTED THE PIRATES WOULD TAKE A STEP BACK THIS YEAR. But their window is still fairly open.

God damn soporific offensively deficient wins now is up 6 to 1 against Verlander. Did Bob Nutting steal your girlfriend or fire you from your dishwashing job? Because the name of the game is wins, not amount spent. So...if you spend less than teams and win more, isn't that a better thing? Do you get this?

 

[wbrpanther]

I won't take the Pirates seriously until their everyday lineup is filled with legitimate ML players. 44 first basement played the last 8 years, years with continuing holes at SS, RF, and third base. Any team that thinks they can field a great team based solely on players grown on the farm is deluded. While Nutting may be committed to keeping the team competitive, he's not committed to winning a championship. The Pirates' 98 wins last year was an illusion-they were a poor offensive team who, when faced with good pitching, couldn't hit their way out of a paper bag. Their losing to the Cubs with Arrieta on the mound was a cinch. Their offense has been a problem since they broke through and first reached the playoffs-what did they do to address this issue-nothing! I still believe they will be fortunate to play a tad over .500 this year. The starting pitching is shaky and the everyday lineup still has holes. If Liriano falters, the Pirates are in deep trouble. It's April-I can remember years the Pirates won 7 or more consecutive games out of the gate and weren't a factor in the pennant race in those years. Way too early to suggest that the Pirates will have a great year.

I really don't believe you will take the Pirates seriously until their line up matches the '27 Yankees and their owners have the league's top payroll, of which neither is necessary to be a top contender.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The problems isn't so much the Pirates, it's MLB. Any league where you can finished with the second best record and not make the playoffs is a joke.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Damn cheap ass, no talent frauds are hammering that $200 million dollar pitcher Justin Verlander right now, even their outs are 390 foot rockets. If only the Pirates spent $200 million, maybe they would be up 6 or 7 to 1 instead of 5-1. They stink. Nutting's cheap.

Pirates must have just spent another $100 million because they went up 7-1 on the Tigers!

29 other teams won't win a championship in any given year, regardless of how much or how little they spend.
Empty cans continue to make the most noise!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

The problems isn't so much the Pirates, it's MLB. Any league where you can finished with the second best record and not make the playoffs is a joke.

Here's the problem with Del. The Pirates could have traded some prospects for Johnny Cueto or David Price at the deadline, they didn't. They got J.A. Happ Happ outperformed both Cueto and Price by far. But Happ was cheaper (also didn't cost many prospects). But that was the cheap way. But they got better results. Doesn't matter to Del. Results don't matter, intent does.

As for the wildcard, yes I thought the Pirates needed to take the Division championship more serious, but the Cards just refused to die. At the end of the season it was obvious the Cards were passed by both the Pirates and the Cubs as the superior team. And when it comes to a one game playoff series, you are at the mercy of facing a Baumgartner, a Kershaw or an Arrieta like last year.

 

[FreeportPanther]

Signing Happ wasn't necessarily the "cheap" play, it was the SMART play!
Del is so stupid, he doesn't get "smart". Spend, spend, then spend some more, of someone else's money until you stumble onto the correct mix.

MLB is wise to the Pirates, and they are now poaching some of the front office guys because they are winning and they are smart.

The PIrates are really, really good at finding value in the FA market, and in acquiring players who do very well with a change of scenery. They also don't hang on to guys not worth their contract demands. Very much like the Steelers there. How many more times do the Pirates need to get a guy who turns it around and excels before it is apparent they know what they are doing?

Del is a bobblehead!

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Pirates must have just spent another $100 million because they went up 7-1 on the Tigers!

29 other teams won't win a championship in any given year, regardless of how much or how little they spend.
Empty cans continue to make the most noise!

Funny how the cheap ass Pirates who really didn't win 98 games last year because the wins were "soporific" because they are offensively deficient averaged more runs per game than the Cards, the Dodgers, the Angels, the Mets, and the same as the Cubs, the Giants. But hey the big spending Yankees and Red Sox both had better seasons than the Pirates because they spent big and they scored more runs. Of course, they also average a half a run or more given up, but hey that doesn't matter. They spent, therefore they tried harder.

 

[Delpanther]

I really don't believe you will take the Pirates seriously until their line up matches the '27 Yankees and their owners have the league's top payroll, of which neither is necessary to be a top contender.

Most of the Bucco teams in the 70's would suffice. A team equivalent to the 80/81 teams would be a legitimate contender too. I know people disagree with me on this point but I held no hope that any of the last three editions of the Pirates would go anywhere in the post season because of the many holes in their everyday lineup. Couldn't hit worth a lick. If they didn't hit a HR they couldn't score -anemic offenses.

 

[Delpanther]

Funny how the cheap ass Pirates who really didn't win 98 games last year because the wins were "soporific" because they are offensively deficient averaged more runs per game than the Cards, the Dodgers, the Angels, the Mets, and the same as the Cubs, the Giants. But hey the big spending Yankees and Red Sox both had better seasons than the Pirates because they spent big and they scored more runs. Of course, they also average a half a run or more given up, but hey that doesn't matter. They spent, therefore they tried harder.

Signing Happ wasn't necessarily the "cheap" play, it was the SMART play!
Del is so stupid, he doesn't get "smart". Spend, spend, then spend some more, of someone else's money until you stumble onto the correct mix.

MLB is wise to the Pirates, and they are now poaching some of the front office guys because they are winning and they are smart.

The PIrates are really, really good at finding value in the FA market, and in acquiring players who do very well with a change of scenery. They also don't hang on to guys not worth their contract demands. Very much like the Steelers there. How many more times do the Pirates need to get a guy who turns it around and excels before it is apparent they know what they are doing?

Del is a bobblehead!

I get winning- could care less about Nutsack's wallet. Have another kielbasa and pump an iron, Freeport.

 

[FreeportPanther]

I get winning- could care less about Nutsack's wallet. Have another kielbasa and pump an iron, Freeport.

You finally got something right, Kielbasa and Saurkraut for supper!
No iron, though, never acquired a taste for it, too hopsy for me!

 

[wbrpanther]

Most of the Bucco teams in the 70's would suffice. A team equivalent to the 80/81 teams would be a legitimate contender too. I know people disagree with me on this point but I held no hope that any of the last three editions of the Pirates would go anywhere in the post season because of the many holes in their everyday lineup. Couldn't hit worth a lick. If they didn't hit a HR they couldn't score -anemic offenses.

There is no question they have holes but name me a team, even among the big spenders, who don't have holes once the action starts on the field. Everything is relative. The Pirates are very good relative to the rest of baseball. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Most of the Bucco teams in the 70's would suffice. A team equivalent to the 80/81 teams would be a legitimate contender too.

More proof that you are someone who doesn't know half of what they think the do. The 81 Pirates? A team that went 46-56 in a strike split season? The one that finished in 4th place in their division in the first half of the season and in last place in the second half of the season. That 81 Pirates team would be a legitimate contender? You've lost your mind.

Hell, the 83-79 80 Pirates weren't any sort of contender either. They finished the season with the tied for 11th best record in baseball. Yeah, a team with the 11th best record in was a real contender, but one with the second best record in baseball was simply a mirage.

I'll give you credit for one thing though. You are consistent. No matter how moronic your position get you refuse to acknowledge facts. By the way, here's another one for you. The offensively deficient 2015 Pittsburgh Pirates score more runs per game than the offensively gifted 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates did.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There is no question they have holes but name me a team, even among the big spenders, who don't have holes once the action starts on the field.

Don't tell Del, but the 1927 Yankees ran Mark Koenig and Joe Dugan out there at shortstop and third base every day. Somehow with those two huge holes in their lineup they managed to figure out a way to win a few games.

 

[Delpanther]

More proof that you are someone who doesn't know half of what they think the do. The 81 Pirates? A team that went 46-56 in a strike split season? The one that finished in 4th place in their division in the first half of the season and in last place in the second half of the season. That 81 Pirates team would be a legitimate contender? You've lost your mind.

Hell, the 83-79 80 Pirates weren't any sort of contender either. They finished the season with the tied for 11th best record in baseball. Yeah, a team with the 11th best record in was a real contender, but one with the second best record in baseball was simply a mirage.

I'll give you credit for one thing though. You are consistent. No matter how moronic your position get you refuse to acknowledge facts. By the way, here's another one for you. The offensively deficient 2015 Pittsburgh Pirates score more runs per game than the offensively gifted 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates did.

I said 80/81 when I meant 90/91. Crucify me! The Pirates offense has blown for 3 years.-if you think differently, you have your head up your butt....oh, wait! Go shine the bobbleheads, Joe.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I said 80/81 when I meant 90/91. Crucify me! The Pirates offense has blown for 3 years.-if you think differently, you have your head up your butt....oh, wait! Go shine the bobbleheads, Joe.

Didn't last year's team win more games than those teams?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

The Pirates offense has blown for 3 years.-if you think differently, you have your head up your butt.

The Pirates offense was 4th in the league in runs scored in each of the past two seasons. So I guess a lot of teams wish their offense would have blown just as bad as the Pirates did. But hey, when given the choice between facts and the rantings of an idiot, pick the rantings of an idiot every time, right?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Didn't last year's team win more games than those teams?

Oddly enough, the 91 team, the one of those three playoff teams to have won the most games, won 98 games. You know, exactly the same number that last year's team did.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

The Pirates offense was 4th in the league in runs scored in each of the past two seasons. So I guess a lot of teams wish their offense would have blown just as bad as the Pirates did. But hey, when given the choice between facts and the rantings of an idiot, pick the rantings of an idiot every time, right?

It's unbelievable how he has his opinion, and despite all of the facts refuting his opinions, he still steadfastly holds to these opinions. And these aren't even trying to argue analytics, these are basic mathematically quantifiable numbers like runs scored, wins, etc..

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

It's unbelievable how he has his opinion, and despite all of the facts refuting his opinions, he still steadfastly holds to these opinions. And these aren't even trying to argue analytics, these are basic mathematically quantifiable numbers like runs scored, wins, etc..

It's not really unbelievable, consider the source.

 

[QuitCallingMeWanny]

It's not really unbelievable, consider the source.

it's more fascinating than unbelievable

 

[Pittguy1980]

I see no one answered del's question about record last year against winning teams. I have really bad news for del. The Pirates were 42-31 against teams with a winning record, including 6-0 vs the nl champ mets.

Here are the simple facts. The Pirates were really good last year. They were unlucky the cardinals won 100.

End of story.

 

[PhPanther1]

Beer this season.

Have you heard when they are going to announce it? Will they have beer at the Spring gamr?